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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · A7RIII and Metabones success?

Hi,

I have the A7RIII and Metabones IV with the latest firmware. I am not finding any success with continuous AF. It seems to fluctuate the AF point back and forth without ever locking on. In single AF, it works well. The lenses I've tried are the Canon 400f4 DO II, 85mmF1.2 and 400f5.6.
Has anyone had any luck or suggestions on lenses it appears to work with?
thank you

Dec 15, 2017 at 04:05 PM

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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · A7RIII and Metabones success?

scott f wrote:
Hi,

I have the A7RIII and Metabones IV with the latest firmware. I am not finding any success with continuous AF. It seems to fluctuate the AF point back and forth without ever locking on. In single AF, it works well. The lenses I've tried are the Canon 400f4 DO II, 85mmF1.2 and 400f5.6.
Has anyone had any luck or suggestions on lenses it appears to work with?
thank you

I'm seeing the same results with my Canon 70-200 f2.8 IS L v1. With all the buzz I was reading about how much better the A7RIII was handling adapted lenses I was so hopeful. Not the case. I've also tried the Sigma 150-600 with the same results.

Dec 15, 2017 at 04:21 PM

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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · A7RIII and Metabones success?

Are you in advcance mode or green mode. Advanced mode is broken IMO... Probably does not play well with the a7riii's new CDAF system. I suspect this will be corrected via firmware update.

Green mode works well in good light though in my experience.

Dec 15, 2017 at 04:38 PM

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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · A7RIII and Metabones success?

Mystik wrote:
Are you in advcance mode or green mode. Advanced mode is broken IMO... Probably does not play well with the a7riii's new CDAF system. I suspect this will be corrected via firmware update.

Green mode works well in good light though in my experience.

I've tried both modes, at least far as I can tell. I used the metabones app to set the adapter up, but I can't say that I fully understand how to change the modes. I tried changing it but didn't see any change in behavior in continuous AF.
Maybe I'm setting it up wrong, I don't know.

Dec 15, 2017 at 06:01 PM

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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · A7RIII and Metabones success?

Thanks for posting that information. I was thinking of that body, but it won't do me any good if it won't handle the larger Canon lenses in C mode.

Dec 15, 2017 at 07:36 PM

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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · A7RIII and Metabones success?

I had the metabones V and still have the Sigma MC-11. I've shot with my 300 F2.8 IS, 70-200 F2.8 IS II and Sigma Art lenses and to be honest the Sigma Mc-11 was much more stable. The MC-11 paired with my A7rIII and in AFC mode is almost as good as a native lens in most shooting situations. The one area I still need to test is a runner coming straight at me.

Dec 15, 2017 at 07:44 PM

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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · A7RIII and Metabones success?

I did this test.
https://youtu.be/yoyUv8sHYQU
I don’t show the final results on the screen, but they were sharp when I imported them into the computer. Is your 85 the version II?

Dec 15, 2017 at 07:50 PM

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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · A7RIII and Metabones success?

Never use the advance mode, unless they fix it in future...

Green mode works great

Dec 15, 2017 at 07:52 PM

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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · A7RIII and Metabones success?

Bruce Sawle wrote:
I had the metabones V and still have the Sigma MC-11. I've shot with my 300 F2.8 IS, 70-200 F2.8 IS II and Sigma Art lenses and to be honest the Sigma Mc-11 was much more stable. The MC-11 paired with my A7rIII and in AFC mode is almost as good as a native lens in most shooting situations. The one area I still need to test is a runner coming straight at me.

Mc-11 = metabones in green mode.

Sigma lenses work better on metabones.

Dec 15, 2017 at 07:54 PM

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p.1 #10 · p.1 #10 · A7RIII and Metabones success?

I will echo others who have stated that Green mode works great. I use the MB IV on the A7R2 and A6000. I have used a lot of Canon lenses on my A7R2 with the MB IV, including the 500/4 II, 400/5.6, 200/2.8, 100-400 II, 70-200/2.8 II, 40/2.8, 24-70/2.8 II, 16-35/4, and probably a few more. All work fine.

Dec 15, 2017 at 08:40 PM

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p.1 #11 · p.1 #11 · A7RIII and Metabones success?

scott f wrote:
I've tried both modes, at least far as I can tell. I used the metabones app to set the adapter up, but I can't say that I fully understand how to change the modes. I tried changing it but didn't see any change in behavior in continuous AF.
Maybe I'm setting it up wrong, I don't know.

Changing the modes involves a camera version of the contra code....

http://www.metabones.com/article/of/green-power-save-mode

You can tell what mode you're in by what options are available when you choose the focus mode. If lock-on mode is enabled, then you're in advanced mode.

Dec 15, 2017 at 09:21 PM

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p.1 #12 · p.1 #12 · A7RIII and Metabones success?

Thanks for the explanation. I too was confused, (and still am sort of...), about the different modes. The linked document is not a great sales pitch for Metabones. Each mode seems to have quite a few serious limitations.

I've depended on their adapters since the beginning but with architectural and landscapes. But now with the A7R3, i'm going to be using the camera in much more demanding applications to take over for what I depended on with my Canons. AFC and eye AF is going to be much more important. Looks like I have a lot of testing to do.

Is anyone having good success shooting action, and people with this adapter? Is the MC-11 a better choice? My workhorse lenses are the Canon 70-200 2.8 IS L II and the 24-70 L 2.8II. Thanks.

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Dec 15, 2017 at 10:24 PM

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p.1 #13 · p.1 #13 · A7RIII and Metabones success?

scrappydog wrote:
I will echo others who have stated that Green mode works great. I use the MB IV on the A7R2 and A6000. I have used a lot of Canon lenses on my A7R2 with the MB IV, including the 500/4 II, 400/5.6, 200/2.8, 100-400 II, 70-200/2.8 II, 40/2.8, 24-70/2.8 II, 16-35/4, and probably a few more. All work fine.

Intersting. I have used many of those on a7rII and the 40 2.8 stm is DEFINITELY a dog on a7r2 in AF. very sharp and small though.. its a chame.

Dec 15, 2017 at 10:28 PM

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p.1 #14 · p.1 #14 · A7RIII and Metabones success?

stevesanacore wrote:
Thanks for the explanation. I too was confused, (and still am sort of...), about the different modes. The linked document is not a great sales pitch for Metabones. Each mode seems to have quite a few serious limitations.

I've depended on their adapters since the beginning but with architectural and landscapes. But now with the A7R3, i'm going to be using the camera in much more demanding applications to take over for what I depended on with my Canons. AFC and eye AF is going to be much more important. Looks like I have a lot of testing to do....Show more →

So green mode basically runs the pure PDAF that Sony allows with adapted glass. Eye AF works, but lock-on AF does not. AF also seems to suffer (in my experience) in low light, since the added AF sensitivity seems to come from the CDAF side of things.

Advanced mode runs some sort of software algorithm that makes the camera think a native lens is attached, and allows hybrid AF. This means that lock on AF works. With the MC-11 and Sigma glass, which also tricks the camera into thinking a native lens is attached, low light AF is more reliable...again likely because CDAF is allowed to work. But advanced mode on the metabones appears to be broken.

From what you're describing, it sounds like you're in advance mode on the metabones.

stevesanacore wroteIs anyone having good success shooting action, and people with this adapter? Is the MC-11 a better choice? My workhorse lenses are the Canon 70-200 2.8 IS L II and the 24-70 L 2.8II. Thanks.

Sigma 135 via the metabones in green mode So far so good!

DSC02583 by Carlo Alcala, on Flickr

DSC02730 by Carlo Alcala, on Flickr

Dec 15, 2017 at 10:53 PM

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p.1 #15 · p.1 #15 · A7RIII and Metabones success?

nekrosoft13 wrote:
Mc-11 = metabones in green mode.

Sigma lenses work better on metabones.

So do Canon lenses

Dec 15, 2017 at 11:27 PM

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p.1 #16 · p.1 #16 · A7RIII and Metabones success?

Funny that Metabones call CDAF the advanced mode, I’d have definitely called PDAF the advanced mode.

So if it says no eye-AF in green mode, are people that say eye-AF is actually working with some of their Canon lenses really using advanced mode?

Dec 16, 2017 at 12:44 AM

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Pixel Perfect wrote:
Funny that Metabones call CDAF the advanced mode, I’d have definitely called PDAF the advanced mode.

So if it says no eye-AF in green mode, are people that say eye-AF is actually working with some of their Canon lenses really using advanced mode?

Advanced mode tricks the body into thinking a native lens is attached and enables the native hybrid AF that uses both CDAF and PDAF simultaneously.

The Metabones site is dated. Sony enabled eye af with adapted lenses on the a7riii and a9, so no need for advanced mode for eye af anymore.

Dec 16, 2017 at 07:32 AM

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p.1 #18 · p.1 #18 · A7RIII and Metabones success?

My A9 bodies were introduced and evaluated for adapted AF before the A7r MKIII. I have the impression that the A9 is Sony’s best adapted AF body. That said your 3 lenses are somewhat off the typical adapted reservation.

I do have good results with my Metabones V and my EF 200mm F2.0 on my A9. The MK V has an LED to indicate focus modes. “Green Mode” (not advanced mode) is most effective for continuous AF. Tip: on the MKV you want the LED blue for Green Mode (instead of red = advanced mode).

Dec 16, 2017 at 11:13 AM

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p.1 #19 · p.1 #19 · A7RIII and Metabones success?

Mystik wrote:
Changing the modes involves a camera version of the contra code....

http://www.metabones.com/article/of/green-power-save-mode

You can tell what mode you're in by what options are available when you choose the focus mode. If lock-on mode is enabled, then you're in advanced mode.

Ok, thank you. It's my confusion over the Metabones settings. I misunderstood the settings. I tried again between the advanced mode and green mode, and green mode appears to work to some degree. It seems ok with slow-moving subjects, but I'll give it a torture test tomorrow on flying and swimming ducks. I don't expect much if anything on the flying ones, but I won't know if I don't try it.
I think Sony is missing the boat by not getting some longer glass in the lineup. The 100-400 looks like a great lense, and they have promised a 400f2.8 next year, but that won't fill out the lineup. It would be fine if Sigma started making lenses in their mount, but for some reason, that isn't happening yet.

Dec 16, 2017 at 11:42 AM

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SoundHound wrote:
My A9 bodies were introduced and evaluated for adapted AF before the A7r MKIII. I have the impression that the A9 is Sony’s best adapted AF body. That said your 3 lenses are somewhat off the typical adapted reservation.

I do have good results with my Metabones V and my EF 200mm F2.0 on my A9. The MK V has an LED to indicate focus modes. “Green Mode” (not advanced mode) is most effective for continuous AF. Tip: on the MKV you want the LED blue for Green Mode (instead of red = advanced mode).

That 200mm f/2.0 is my holy grail of lenses. One day.....one day.

Dec 16, 2017 at 12:03 PM

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