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p.2 #1 · p.2 #1 · A7RIII and Metabones success?


Hope to see more "test's" with the EF 100-400L-2, with either Adapter.

Particularly interested in moving action, especially BIF, with fast burst rate, & SONY's equivalent to Canon's IA-Servo mode.



Dec 16, 2017 at 01:47 PM
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p.2 #2 · p.2 #2 · A7RIII and Metabones success?


I have been using the MB-V in green mode with the Canon 400/5.6L, 300/2.8L IS v 1, 70-300L. All work fine but I have not tried focusing on flying birds yet. I did notice that when I first put one of the lenses on the adapter they had a real hard time finding focus. I then turned the camera off and then on and focusing started working


Dec 16, 2017 at 02:55 PM
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p.2 #3 · p.2 #3 · A7RIII and Metabones success?


In general the a7rIII is not the best cam for BIF. The a9 PDAF system is a a step above the a7rIII's...the a9 also plays better with adapted glass.


Dec 16, 2017 at 02:58 PM
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ross.thomas wrote:
That 200mm f/2.0 is my holy grail of lenses. One day.....one day.


The 200 f2 is a lens in its own class. I hardly use mine right now, sadly.



Dec 16, 2017 at 02:58 PM
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stevesanacore wrote:
...with the A7R3, i'm going to be using the camera in much more demanding applications to take over for what I depended on with my Canons. AFC and eye AF is going to be much more important...Is anyone having good success shooting action, and people with this adapter?...My workhorse lenses are the Canon 70-200 2.8 IS L II and the 24-70 L 2.8II. Thanks.


I've not had great results with photographic AF using the 70-200 2.8 L IS II, Metabones IV with latest firmware (green mode) and A7R3. At first it seemed modestly better than on my R2, plus eye AF works. However it's unpredictable.

In some ways it's 90% as good as a 70-200 G-Master but only 70% of the time. The other 30% the time it's hunting or confused. If it's not a "must get" situation and you have multiple opportunities it's usable. But I wouldn't want to shoot a wedding or other similar event. I have missed many shots when it's in a confused state.

Advanced mode doesn't use phase detect so to me that's not worth the other features.

There is definitely a range of activities where AF on the adapted IS II works pretty good but I just don't trust it in crucial situations. This is too bad since it's such a nice lens. I shoot more video than stills so I'll probably get the G-Master. My documentary team has one and it's very good, although Sony has had QC problems with that lens so you must closely test the copy you get. We had a 2nd one but it was a poor copy so we returned it.



Dec 16, 2017 at 03:08 PM
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ross.thomas wrote:
I did this test.
https://youtu.be/yoyUv8sHYQU


Nice test !!!



Dec 16, 2017 at 04:46 PM
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mttran wrote:
Nice test !!!


Thanks! I know it’s not conclusive, but it’s nice coming from the A7RII.



Dec 16, 2017 at 04:48 PM
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I have the mc11 on order....have only been using a cheap viltrox adapter....strangely...this combo with the 70-200 is II was quicker and more accurate on my a7rII using face detect..almost 100%. Of course eye af did not work on that camera.


Dec 17, 2017 at 11:46 AM
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p.2 #9 · p.2 #9 · A7RIII and Metabones success?


I guess we are lucky that the adapters work at all. Thanks for the feedback. I did some shots yesterday with the Canon 70-200 and the 135 f2 on an updated Metabones IV in green mode. It worked very well but did hunt on occasion. Not sure how it would do with action. I guess the choice will be keeping a Canon body for action, or change to Sony lenses.

joema2 wrote:
I've not had great results with photographic AF using the 70-200 2.8 L IS II, Metabones IV with latest firmware (green mode) and A7R3. At first it seemed modestly better than on my R2, plus eye AF works. However it's unpredictable.

In some ways it's 90% as good as a 70-200 G-Master but only 70% of the time. The other 30% the time it's hunting or confused. If it's not a "must get" situation and you have multiple opportunities it's usable. But I wouldn't want to shoot a wedding or other similar event. I have missed many shots when it's in
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Dec 17, 2017 at 01:09 PM
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I mentioned in a previous post that I would be doing a tough test of the AF on my MBIV. The equipment used was the Canon 400mmf4 DO II, MBIV(latest firmware) and A7RIII. I spent a few hours attempting to photograph Longtailed Ducks in flight and perching birds.
So, onto my observations. Continuous AF is hopeless with the fast flying ducks. The acquisition is far too slow, and it simply cannot reacquire focus once it loses the subject.
I decided to try pre-focusing and I had limited success. It seems that the initial acquisition is the best it can do, after that it simply cannot change focus quick enough to follow a bird flying towards you.
The few shots I did get were either from birds flying parallel to me or the first shot or two in a sequence. Nothing flying towards me was in focus. The AF isn't even close to being capable.
I did try slow flyers such as gulls against a clear sky, and it seemed to be able to handle that situation.
Next stop was perching birds like woodpeckers, cardinals, and sparrows. Once again the focus is slow, however, once locked on, the focus accuracy was dead on with nearly every image sharp. However, it's dog slow to focus if it starts substantially out of focus or in some cases, it didn't even try. In fact, it often took long enough that the birds were gone by the time it got around to the correct distance.
I found it helpful when the focus was way off to manually focus the lens to get it close, then allowing AF to take over.
I decided to try the continuous focus on cars moving around 60km/h. Once again the initial focus seemed ok, but it couldn't track the cars driving towards me. So again, the first shot or two would be acceptable, but all others were soft.
So in summary, with that particular combo, the focus works but is very slow, and continuous focus worked only on very gradual distance changes. Hopefully, Metabones will come out with another firmware update to improve things.





Dec 18, 2017 at 10:52 AM
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scott f wrote:
I mentioned in a previous post that I would be doing a tough test of the AF on my MBIV. The equipment used was the Canon 400mmf4 DO II, MBIV(latest firmware) and A7RIII. I spent a few hours attempting to photograph Longtailed Ducks in flight and perching birds.
So, onto my observations. Continuous AF is hopeless with the fast flying ducks. The acquisition is far too slow, and it simply cannot reacquire focus once it loses the subject.
I decided to try pre-focusing and I had limited success. It seems that the initial acquisition is the best it can do,
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You didn't specify the mode used on the Metabones. If you used the green mode, then that's a blow to the AF performance of the A7r III. Here is the area where the A9 shines. If you used the advance mode, then I am afraid that you may need to re-do the test with the Metabones in the green mode.



Dec 18, 2017 at 11:09 AM
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AGeoJO wrote:
You didn't specify the mode used on the Metabones. If you used the green mode, then that's a blow to the AF performance of the A7r III. Here is the area where the A9 shines. If you used the advance mode, then I am afraid that you may need to re-do the test with the Metabones in the green mode.



Sorry, forgot to mention that. I used Green mode, I found advance mode to be useless.



Dec 18, 2017 at 12:28 PM
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You didn't specify the mode used on the Metabones. If you used the green mode, then that's a blow to the AF performance of the A7r III. Here is the area where the A9 shines. If you used the advance mode, then I am afraid that you may need to re-do the test with the Metabones in the green mode.

So the A9 performs well? If so, then maybe it's just a matter of a firmware update from MB? Or at least I hope so.


Dec 18, 2017 at 12:44 PM
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p.2 #14 · p.2 #14 · A7RIII and Metabones success?


scott f wrote:
So the A9 performs well? If so, then maybe it's just a matter of a firmware update from MB? Or at least I hope so.


Yes, the AF of the A9 performs better and no problem with tracking. Check this out: https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1522408

Edited on Dec 18, 2017 at 08:41 PM · View previous versions



Dec 18, 2017 at 01:22 PM
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p.2 #15 · p.2 #15 · A7RIII and Metabones success?


The a9 has a better PDAF system than the a7rIII, which is why it plays better with adapted glass.

The a7rIII inherits the old a7rII PDAF system, but gets a speed boost from the processor and a CDAF upgrade. Since green mode does't utilized CDAF, AF performance with the a7rIII has a lot of the same struggles as the MKII...its just faster.

That said, the MC-11 works quite nicely with my Sigma 135 other than the limited PDAF area. I think we should see some improvement once metabones updates the firmware to utilized the new CDAF system. I still don't think it will work as well with adapted glass as the a9 for action though.



Dec 18, 2017 at 08:04 PM
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