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Archive 2017 · Pre-orders open! Sony A7R III and FE 24-105mm f/4 OSS lens!

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p.38 #1 · p.38 #1 · Pre-orders open! Sony A7R III and FE 24-105mm f/4 OSS lens!

Viramati wrote:
This is very disappointing as one of the main things that I had been hoping for is an improvement in silent shutter shooting with the A7rIII. so apart from rolling shutter will it still so the same sort of colour banding as the the A7rII at higher shutter speeds in fluorescent lighting?

They added a feature for fluorescent lighting it’s called I think Active Flicker controls . Check product brochure I read it there. Rolling shutter is better than the 2 but the A9 is the king in it. You need a A9 if the is very important to you

Oct 27, 2017 at 02:36 PM

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p.38 #2 · p.38 #2 · Pre-orders open! Sony A7R III and FE 24-105mm f/4 OSS lens!

80MP MF back has a larger pixel pitch than a full frame 80MP sensor would. So I agree with your experience. Also you need a well corrected lens wide open like we are seeing nowadays to experience this effect.

Oct 27, 2017 at 02:39 PM

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p.38 #3 · p.38 #3 · Pre-orders open! Sony A7R III and FE 24-105mm f/4 OSS lens!

We used a Rodie 40 I believe. I had a gorgeous Schneider 60mm that was killer . Only 7k

Gotta stop bringing back memories and empty pockets . Lol

Oct 27, 2017 at 02:42 PM

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p.38 #4 · p.38 #4 · Pre-orders open! Sony A7R III and FE 24-105mm f/4 OSS lens!

TakenWild wrote:
There is still hope Sony isn’t lying about 15stops.

As I stated earlier it's not possible to "lie" about DR because the figure depends on a completely arbitrary cut-off point for the noise floor, depending on where you consider the noise to start dominating, what resolution you normalise to etc. For every cut-off point there is a corresponding DR figure. Since Sony have not shared which cut-off point they used to obtain their figure it is both completely plausible, and completely meaningless.

elimoss wrote:
Sensor design and pixel size does play a role in diffraction. I agree it is mostly about the lens -- how much stopping down improves abberations vs. increases diffraction. However, pixel size and wavelength of light plays a role

Sensor design plays no role in diffraction it is an entirely optical phenomenon, the only thing sensor design influences is your ability to detect diffraction, diffraction is no worse in high resolution sensors as low resolution ones. Wavelength plays a role I generally use the values for green light as a suitable approximation.

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I think we all agree on the main point, which is that we could have a 75MP sensor and end up in many situations with only marginal increases in effective resolution compared to what we have now.

No, I'm afraid we can't. I strongly believe a 75MP sensor would yield a real, usable increase in resolution over 42MP with a decent lens (not necessarily an expensive lens either). You can easily demonstrate this by putting an FE lens on an APS-C body and comparing the results at 100% (an experiment I will perform when the sun comes up).

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Oct 27, 2017 at 02:46 PM

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p.38 #5 · p.38 #5 · Pre-orders open! Sony A7R III and FE 24-105mm f/4 OSS lens!

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God I wish they stayed out of Sony’s forums.

Oct 27, 2017 at 02:46 PM

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p.38 #6 · p.38 #6 · Pre-orders open! Sony A7R III and FE 24-105mm f/4 OSS lens!

GMPhotography wrote:
If I was not a Pro and my life was shooting landscape for me and some print sales. I would certainly be shooting Medium Format again. I do like the sizing and lenses though of the Hassy XLD and i could get along with there software.

I read what i just wrote and want to retire and do just that.

Actually, isn't the Nikon D850 better in many respects for landscape shooting than medium format? It's certainly easier to lug into the back-country, and will handle the occasional rainshower, snowstorm, or rogue wave far better than just about any MF camera except maybe the Leica S system.

Oct 27, 2017 at 02:55 PM

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p.38 #7 · p.38 #7 · Pre-orders open! Sony A7R III and FE 24-105mm f/4 OSS lens!

At the expense of disagreeing with The Fred, what I am seeing so far in samples from the III bests what I would expect the II to do under the same conditions. Most pics are JPEG with the 24-105, which is hardly ideal compared with RAW and primes, but there are a couple with the CV 40 f:1.2, which is more or less a known quantity. And though it is scant evidence so far, my take on it is that the improvement in IQ is indeed there. My blog-partner Pascal, seeing the same pics without prodding from me came to the exact same conclusion, and both of us shoot IIs.
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Oct 27, 2017 at 03:11 PM

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p.38 #8 · p.38 #8 · Pre-orders open! Sony A7R III and FE 24-105mm f/4 OSS lens!

Arka wrote:
Actually, isn't the Nikon D850 better in many respects for landscape shooting than medium format? It's certainly easier to lug into the back-country, and will handle the occasional rainshower, snowstorm, or rogue wave far better than just about any MF camera except maybe the Leica S system.

No your never going to get the IQ out of a D850. MF is still better even the 50 mpx sensor ones ( bigger is still better) would also venture to say the Hassy XLD is maybe even smaller in size( I just played with one two weeks ago, sexy as hell too)But we have to check that to be sure. As far as weather stuff. I shot MF with and without tech cams and DSLR style bodies for like 8 years in every kind of soup we can think of. Just need to be careful and prepare for that. It’s scary as hell though shooting in pouring rain with a 40 k back. No question there.

Oct 27, 2017 at 03:21 PM

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p.38 #9 · p.38 #9 · Pre-orders open! Sony A7R III and FE 24-105mm f/4 OSS lens!

Fred Miranda wrote:
It does not seem like the A7R3 is going to provide any significant IQ improvement for landscape shooters. Is it time to look into Fuji's GFX system?
You know me, I'm not a brand loyalist.

I honestly don’t think we have seen what this can do in any samples yet. All we are seeing is Jpegs pretty much and the new zoom. Even though I ordered the zoom it’s no CV 65 Apo or Batis 135 either. I tend to believe 25 percent of the marketing hype , the rest may just well be hype. But it’s really gotta be tested by trusted sources that are neutral too. I say that with a grin. You know me I dislike these reviewers. Lol

Oct 27, 2017 at 03:28 PM

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p.38 #10 · p.38 #10 · Pre-orders open! Sony A7R III and FE 24-105mm f/4 OSS lens!

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At the expense of disagreeing with The Fred, what I am seeing so far in samples from the III bests what I would expect the II to do under the same conditions. Most pics are JPEG with the 24-105, which is hardly ideal compared with RAW and primes, but there are a couple with the CV 40 f:1.2, which is more or less a known quantity. And though it is scant evidence so far, my take on it is that the improvement in IQ is indeed there. My blog-partner Pascal, seeing the same pics without prodding from me came to...Show more →

Where exactly are you seeing an improvement in IQ? If jpegs look better, that's software, not hardware.

I've never said there won't be any IQ improvement but based on what's available right now, I'm not expecting anything significant...perhaps with the pixel shift but that's also software and I'm sure A7RII files would benefit from this feature as well...(if Sony allows)

Oct 27, 2017 at 03:32 PM

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p.38 #11 · p.38 #11 · Pre-orders open! Sony A7R III and FE 24-105mm f/4 OSS lens!

I am just going on the reasonable hypothesis that properly processed RAW pics will look better than the JPEGs we get right now. What I (already) see is a subtlety on the transitions, both in shapes and in colors, which my II doesn't give me. Not that it is weak there, but the III looks better. This is particularly visible (IMHO) on the CV 40 pics, but also, in this respect, the 24-105 manages to look suspiciously good for a G zoom. Lastly, the difference between the CV 40 and the Sony zoom suggests that the camera's ability to discriminate is very high indeed.
Now, if Sony improved the JPEG engine which is where all the improvement is coming from, then my observations are for nought, but I tend to believe otherwise.

Oct 27, 2017 at 03:41 PM

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p.38 #12 · p.38 #12 · Pre-orders open! Sony A7R III and FE 24-105mm f/4 OSS lens!

pasblues wrote:
I think for photographers who move AF point around a lot, the toggle is going to be a lot bigger deal than it appears. If you are shooting static objects, e.g., landscapes, stills, studio, the 3 isn't that big of a deal over the 2. But for movement, I know that AF toggle sold me on the Fuji XT2 - and in practical use, it's invaluable.

If anything I would say this camera is a bit of a downgrade for landscapes with the loss of most of the play memories apps.

As to the AF toggle, kind of maddening that this is an "upgrade feature". I'm sure it could be changed in software in about 30 seconds by the devs.

Oct 27, 2017 at 03:45 PM

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p.38 #13 · p.38 #13 · Pre-orders open! Sony A7R III and FE 24-105mm f/4 OSS lens!

philber wrote:
I am just going on the reasonable hypothesis that properly processed RAW pics will look better than the JPEGs we get right now. What I (already) see is a subtlety on the transitions, both in shapes and in colors, which my II doesn't give me. Not that it is weak there, but the III looks better. This is particularly visible (IMHO) on the CV 40 pics, but also, in this respect, the 24-105 manages to look suspiciously good for a G zoom. Lastly, the difference between the CV 40 and the Sony zoom suggests that the camera's ability to discriminate...Show more →

Yes, there were reports that Sony improved the jpeg engine substantially for the A7R3, including skin tones, etc..

As soon as I get the A7R3 and have access to RAW files, I plan on testing them side-by-side. I trust your eyes, and I'm hopeful to see improvements, however, I'm not overly optimistic.

Oct 27, 2017 at 03:46 PM

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p.38 #14 · p.38 #14 · Pre-orders open! Sony A7R III and FE 24-105mm f/4 OSS lens!

Fred you are a very positive person but I doubt Sony will offer the Pixel shift to older cameras because they are in business to make money and part of that is to sell cameras. If older cameras have what the new models offer why would we buy new models,

GMP.... beware looks like we are in to another tidal wave of Brainiac's dissecting the a7rIII to the 1000x and picking out deficiencies that no one would even need........ I am seeing it start already on another site..... the cycle never stops!

Oct 27, 2017 at 03:46 PM

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p.38 #15 · p.38 #15 · Pre-orders open! Sony A7R III and FE 24-105mm f/4 OSS lens!

I thought seriously about this back in the spring when the Fuji came out.

At that point, I was still using the a7R, and was planning on skipping the a7R2 in favor of the a7R3, which I hoped would come out in the spring/summer. So, I felt that my investment in Sony was still small enough to be able to move over to the Fuji without it being too horribly painful.

But the cost of the (brand new) Fuji system and the relative lack of info on performance, etc. in the spring made me uncomfortable to go there.

However, as I see that Sony is focusing more on frame rate, AF and other aspects with this new R camera, I think it makes a lot of sense to reconsider moving to another system, and the Fuji makes a lot more sense to me than the Hassy right now.

If Sony introduces an a9R camera next year with 60+MP, it'll probably be close to the price of the Fuji... I guess it will be difficult to justify that added cost compared to the a7R3 if the only thing I need it for is high MP, but it will make the decision more difficult for me.

I'll likely wait until there is a 100MP Fuji available (or similar), and then see what the options are, but I don't think I'll be buying into the a7R3. Not much there for me, and it just adds more hassle with the different sized battery. I will probably get a second a7R2 to replace my a7R for backup and to reduce lens changes.

Oct 27, 2017 at 03:47 PM

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p.38 #16 · p.38 #16 · Pre-orders open! Sony A7R III and FE 24-105mm f/4 OSS lens!

GMPhotography wrote:
They added a feature for fluorescent lighting it’s called I think Active Flicker controls . Check product brochure I read it there. Rolling shutter is better than the 2 but the A9 is the king in it. You need a A9 if the is very important to you

Thanks for that. Rolling shutter isn't so much of an issue for me as I don't often shoot very fast moving subjects but if it has a feature to control flicker than I would be happy

Oct 27, 2017 at 03:58 PM

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p.38 #17 · p.38 #17 · Pre-orders open! Sony A7R III and FE 24-105mm f/4 OSS lens!

I posted a link to the Sony brochure that talks about it. See if I can find it again

Here

https://www.sonyalpharumors.com/check-full-specs-magic-new-features-new-a7riii-can/#more-63423

Oct 27, 2017 at 04:04 PM

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p.38 #18 · p.38 #18 · Pre-orders open! Sony A7R III and FE 24-105mm f/4 OSS lens!

The Camera seems a bit pointless. Not a true medium format and limited glass. Why not go all in Phase One.

Oct 27, 2017 at 04:10 PM

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p.38 #19 · p.38 #19 · Pre-orders open! Sony A7R III and FE 24-105mm f/4 OSS lens!

You going to loan him 40k. 😂

Oct 27, 2017 at 04:28 PM

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p.38 #20 · p.38 #20 · Pre-orders open! Sony A7R III and FE 24-105mm f/4 OSS lens!

GMPhotography wrote:
You going to loan him 40k. 😂
I just gathered the entire family, including my 5-year-old, and they unanimously shut down the Phase One idea....

If that wasn't enough, before leaving the room, my two girls said together: "get the A7R3 and stop whining!"....tough day...

Oct 27, 2017 at 04:31 PM

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