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Archive 2017 · Loxia 50 and 85 worth it when I have the CV65?

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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · Loxia 50 and 85 worth it when I have the CV65?

I’m noticing the gaps between my Loxia 35 , the CV 65 and my 100 STF. I do have a Mitakon 50 and the Sony Zeiss 55, but the 50 is enormous and I’m just not really “feeling it” much with my autofocus glass and landscapes these days. And I love my other two Loxia, even the 35, flawed as it may be wide open. Especially the size! I know the 85 is a lot bigger but still probably a lot smaller than any modern alternative.

Was wondering what you all think of the Loxia 50 and 85, do they still have a place in your kit after the release of the CV-65?

Thx

Oct 15, 2017 at 04:36 PM

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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · Loxia 50 and 85 worth it when I have the CV65?

No . I’m 35,65,135

I have a Sony 85 1.8 but that’s for other work and if I bought a 50 it would be Af and not a manual lens. A least that’s what I decided to do

Oct 15, 2017 at 04:54 PM

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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · Loxia 50 and 85 worth it when I have the CV65?

That would be too close in FL for me. I'm very similar to Guy and don't like lenses that close in my bag.

I too have the 85/1.8, but that's a lens for other purposes and I would not carry them together.

35, 65, 135 is a great ~2x focal length between primes three-lens combo.

Oct 15, 2017 at 05:19 PM

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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · Loxia 50 and 85 worth it when I have the CV65?

You guys are raining all over my parade.

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Oct 15, 2017 at 05:21 PM

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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · Loxia 50 and 85 worth it when I have the CV65?

Guy, I’m a bit surprised that you don’t want anything wider than 35 in your landscape kit.

I find a use for 21, 15 and 10mm (and an 8mm circular fish!)

Oct 15, 2017 at 05:24 PM

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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · Loxia 50 and 85 worth it when I have the CV65?

Oh no. Ice got Laowa 15, Loxia 21,CV 28,35,65,Batis 135. I was just referring to the gapping from 35 up

Oct 15, 2017 at 05:43 PM

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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · Loxia 50 and 85 worth it when I have the CV65?

Get the CY 35-70mm. At 50mm it’s as sharp as the Loxia 50 and FE 55 as long as you stop it down to f8.

The think the CY zoom and V65mm f2 Macro will work well together. Low fstop quality and the best f8 landscape zoom.

Oct 15, 2017 at 06:26 PM

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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · Loxia 50 and 85 worth it when I have the CV65?

Yeah Guy, I knew you had the Laowa 15 and Lox 21, just sounded like maybe they were for architecture and not landscape.

Oct 15, 2017 at 06:27 PM

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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · Loxia 50 and 85 worth it when I have the CV65?

Hey Takenwild,

Have you used the Minolta 28-135 “secret handshake” lens I have? You think the CY is better?

Oct 15, 2017 at 06:30 PM

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p.1 #10 · p.1 #10 · Loxia 50 and 85 worth it when I have the CV65?

lightskyland wrote:
I’m noticing the gaps between my Loxia 35 , the CV 65 and my 100 STF. I do have a Mitakon 50 and the Sony Zeiss 55, but the 50 is enormous and I’m just not really “feeling it” much with my autofocus glass and landscapes these days. And I love my other two Loxia, even the 35, flawed as it may be wide open. Especially the size! I know the 85 is a lot bigger but still probably a lot smaller than any modern alternative.

Was wondering what you all think of the Loxia 50 and 85, do they still...Show more →

Good question, I'm facing a similar one: does the lox 50 and ZM 85 still have a place.

Pretty sure the ZM does; it's a lightweight hiking tele. I'm not taking the CV on multiple camping days in the bush.
Could use the same argument for the Lox; except the reality is I tend to take the FE 2.8/50 on hiking trips as it's light and I get macro and almost-lox quality stopped down at infinity (except sunstars).

So that leaves the loxia 50 for lightweight trips locally and.....I think I'm making up reasons to keep it.

Oct 15, 2017 at 06:34 PM

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p.1 #11 · p.1 #11 · Loxia 50 and 85 worth it when I have the CV65?

lightskyland wrote:
Hey Takenwild,

Have you used the Minolta 28-135 “secret handshake” lens I have? You think the CY is better?

Not only better, but I bet it will smash it. It compares very well with the GM 24-70 at f8 and in some cases beats it.

Here is a link where Fred compared the CY 35-70 v the Loxia 50. Look at the amazing f8 performance of CY Zoom. It nearly matches the Loxia everywhere.
https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1423138/7

I think the V65 f2 and the CY Zoom will work well together.

Oct 15, 2017 at 06:48 PM

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p.1 #12 · p.1 #12 · Loxia 50 and 85 worth it when I have the CV65?

Well, I lost the auction on the Loxia 50, think I'll keep trying to snag one though (along with the 85). I just enjoy my other Loxias too much, even more than the CV65 (although results-wise the 65 is unbeatable).

Oct 15, 2017 at 07:33 PM

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p.1 #13 · p.1 #13 · Loxia 50 and 85 worth it when I have the CV65?

I love my Lox 85, it was a star performer last trip. It's more subtle than expected and files can be really worked as compared to the CY 35-70 (from which come ready made dramatic files, as though the designer built in a post processing module). Here are two from the Lox 85, very little work on them.

I use it as a general purpose short tele, people and scapes mostly, but close ups it is also good. Stephen showed a comp last week of an image shot with the CV65 and the Lox 85, in which the L85 appeared to have a lot of CA. It's not my real world experience, though; and here is a good comparison from my fave reviewer, pitting the Lox against the GM, Batis 85 and a couple others - the samples are well worth the time and note graphs/his comments re CA:

http://www.verybiglobo.com/zeiss-loxia-852-4-vs-zeiss-batis-851-8-vs-sony-fe-851-4-gm-vs-sony-sal-851-4-za-battle-of-85mm-lenses-for-sony-e-mount-comparative-lens-review/9/

'you simply don’t want to put other lenses instead' - we actually fought over it at times, lol. Images, well, I see some I simply want to look at time and again. It's a harder task to focus for people, I use f2.8-f3.5 a lot. Bokeh is of course personal, let me say I really like what I see from this lens. It's also a piece of industrial art to hold. Manual focusing at or near its best. It's a niche product, for sure. But if the cap fits, best to wear it.

f11 to capture the foreground and mountains, at some cost to IQ.

f3.5 in strong light - won't show here but you can see delicate folds in my hat in her eye reflections at 100%.

Oct 15, 2017 at 07:53 PM

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p.1 #14 · p.1 #14 · Loxia 50 and 85 worth it when I have the CV65?

Well, I just got a NEW Loxia 50 for $600 on eBay. Now it's time to find an equal deal on the 85.

Woohoo!

Oct 15, 2017 at 08:02 PM

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p.1 #15 · p.1 #15 · Loxia 50 and 85 worth it when I have the CV65?

I think the Loxia 50 makes a decent complement to the Voigtlander 65. The Loxia is much smaller and has a different rendering. It could be very nice to have the Loxia around just for when you want a smaller lens. The 85 is harder to justify as nice as that lens is. It isn't much smaller, a half of a stop slower, and not much longer. The clear rationale for the 85 might be to shoot video, which it is set up to do much better.

Oct 15, 2017 at 08:40 PM

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p.1 #16 · p.1 #16 · Loxia 50 and 85 worth it when I have the CV65?

philip_pj wrote:
I love my Lox 85, it was a star performer last trip. It's more subtle than expected and files can be really worked as compared to the CY 35-70 (from which come ready made dramatic files, as though the designer built in a post processing module). Here are two from the Lox 85, very little work on them.

I use it as a general purpose short tele, people and scapes mostly, but close ups it is also good. Stephen showed a comp last week of an image shot with the CV65 and the Lox 85, in which the L85 appeared...Show more →

I still have the Loxia 50 and 85 with the CV 65. I am more likely to part with the 50 than the 85. I also have the C/Y 35-70. I am going to go out shooting landscapes tomorrow and am thinking about taking the 12-24 Sony, Loxia 21, C/Y 35-70, CV 65, Loxia 85, and Zeiss 100-300. I can leave the Loxia 50 and ZM 35/1.4 behind I think. Still, I was shooting a group portrait today (24 people) indoors and used both the Loxia 50 and CV 65 for that task.

The CV 65 is better corrected than the Loxia 85, but the difference only shows up in torture tests. In normal shooting, I find the Loxia 85 a superb landscape lens and very well corrected. The Loxia 85 I think is better corrected for CA than my Leica 75/2 “apo” was. It only loses in comparison to the CV (and Sony GM 100 STF) for CA correction.

Oct 15, 2017 at 09:26 PM

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p.1 #17 · p.1 #17 · Loxia 50 and 85 worth it when I have the CV65?

The 85/4 ZM is likely never to go away for me unless I stop hiking/climbing/backpacking for some awful reason. It's too good and too light weight.

Now if someone would just come out with a M to E adapter with electronics that will give the camera something to write EXIF data and correctly tell IBIS what the focal length is I would be in heaven. Put a micro USB port for lens data programming. Is that so hard a thing to do that no one has done that yet?

Oct 15, 2017 at 09:32 PM

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Oct 15, 2017 at 09:44 PM

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p.1 #19 · p.1 #19 · Loxia 50 and 85 worth it when I have the CV65?

Good luck with it. Your current target setup is my current and I really find it ideal. Going out with the Loxias and CVs is just pure joy.

Oct 16, 2017 at 03:09 AM

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p.1 #20 · p.1 #20 · Loxia 50 and 85 worth it when I have the CV65?

jhinkey wrote:
The 85/4 ZM is likely never to go away for me unless I stop hiking/climbing/backpacking for some awful reason. It's too good and too light weight.

Now if someone would just come out with a M to E adapter with electronics that will give the camera something to write EXIF data and correctly tell IBIS what the focal length is I would be in heaven. Put a micro USB port for lens data programming. Is that so hard a thing to do that no one has done that yet?

Unless I'm misunderstanding what you have in mind, having a micro USB port on the adapter to enable lens data programming would either require multiple adapters (one for each lens), carrying a small notebook PC to enable lens changes in the field, or settling for a single lens/adapter combination for each photo session.

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Juha Kannisto wrote:
TAP will do something like that, i.e. if you take a shot at a certain aperture that is configured to indicate a certain focal length, then that FL will be used with IBIS in auto-mode for all shots going forward (as long as they are taken at wider apertures than those that are used to re-configure TAP) and can be found in EXIF as FL that was used to take the shot (although lens will still be recorded as some imaginary 40mm DT lens). And those FLs / corresponding apertures can be configured with the mobile app (at least...Show more →

I'd prefer that Techart offered a stripped down TAP without autofocus together with a new smartphone app that allowed one to manually enter and save lens data to be transmitted via Bluetooth. This would not only eliminate the wobble problem but would also allow quick and easy lens changes in the field.

Oct 16, 2017 at 05:05 AM

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