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Voigtlander 40mm f/1.2 Nokton Review

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p.41 #1 · p.41 #1 · Voigtlander 40mm f/1.2 Nokton Review

Love the colour tones from this lens!

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Nov 26, 2017 at 07:44 AM

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p.41 #2 · p.41 #2 · Voigtlander 40mm f/1.2 Nokton Review

SharpContrast wrote:
Love the colour tones from this lens!

https://www.flickr.com/photos/143385549@N02/26876899959/in/pool-4178749@N24

Congrats. You finally bought it

Nov 26, 2017 at 07:53 AM

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p.41 #3 · p.41 #3 · Voigtlander 40mm f/1.2 Nokton Review

Thanks Kai! Couldn't make my mind up on the e-mount or m-mount version as I'm a heavy user of the Techart adapter,(kids move to fast for my manual focus skills!) So I bought them both with 10% off. Figured I wouldn't lose too much on the sale of one. At the moment I want to keep both 😀
The m-mount looks really good on the A7rmkii, it's really small (Sonnar-C size) and the focus is so silky smooth 🤗

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Nov 26, 2017 at 08:59 AM

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p.41 #4 · p.41 #4 · Voigtlander 40mm f/1.2 Nokton Review

SharpContrast wrote:
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The m-mount looks really good on the A7rmkii, it's really small (Sonnar-C size) and the focus is so silky smooth 🤗

How small is the M-mount version, with adapter, compared to the E-mount? I can see it lost some weight and the filter thread is somewhat smaller but is it really smaller in total (when used on a Sony camera)?

Ergonomics seem slightly better to me; I like that the aperture ring goes in the "correct" direction and is easier to find. The chrome front details I don't care for. Pros and cons.

Nov 26, 2017 at 10:01 AM

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p.41 #5 · p.41 #5 · Voigtlander 40mm f/1.2 Nokton Review

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Nov 26, 2017 at 10:07 AM

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p.41 #6 · p.41 #6 · Voigtlander 40mm f/1.2 Nokton Review

Jonas B wrote:
How small is the M-mount version, with adapter, compared to the E-mount? I can see it lost some weight and the filter thread is somewhat smaller but is it really smaller in total (when used on a Sony camera)?

Ergonomics seem slightly better to me; I like that the aperture ring goes in the "correct" direction and is easier to find. The chrome front details I don't care for. Pros and cons.

I don't care for the chrome either, wonder why they did that. Anyway, what I'm really interested in knowing is if there are any optical difference between the two. I'd rather have the M-mount, but if the E-mount is better suited for our cameras then so be it.

Nov 26, 2017 at 10:15 AM

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p.41 #7 · p.41 #7 · Voigtlander 40mm f/1.2 Nokton Review

SharpContrast wrote:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/143385549@N02/38631789461/in/pool-4178749@N24/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/143385549@N02/37742984275/in/pool-4178749@N24/

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Hi,

Thank you, but three images without the M-->E adapter?

Nov 26, 2017 at 10:36 AM

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p.41 #8 · p.41 #8 · Voigtlander 40mm f/1.2 Nokton Review

leetmode wrote:
I don't care for the chrome either, wonder why they did that.

probably to maintain a style reminiscent of their earlier lenses – the body style of zm lenses (and the original ZE/ZF/ZS) is very similar to the body style of the old contarex series. i'm guessing that the original idea was to have a stronger more rigid front for taking any impacts and attaching hoods. in practice i think this is actually a bad idea (even ignoring the refection issue). better to absorb the shock to the optics by having the front ring be a metal that bends (and designing it to be easily replaced).

Nov 26, 2017 at 12:41 PM

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p.41 #9 · p.41 #9 · Voigtlander 40mm f/1.2 Nokton Review

nehemiahphoto wrote:
I have the CV 35 1.7 and the Pentax 31 Limited. After about a 2 year search, these are the two best alternatives to the RX1. I prefer the Pentax 31 1.8. It's sharp and has brilliant colors WO, but has some fringing (a bit more than the CV but not much, and coma till f4). It also has a bit of SA WO in the best way. Af first I initially found the focusing difficult (focus ring turns the Nikon way) and it's a short focus throw, but I've gotten used to it and can focus very quickly in...Show more →

belated reply.

the pentax is great (better than the cv 35/1.7 + 5m pcx for portraits and landscape imo), but doesn't draw all that much like the rx1 (or cv 40/1.2 from what i've seen). it actually draws quite similarly to the c/y 35/1.4 which is my favorite 35mm for portraits, though the pentax has a little less pop. for me, the pentax is too big (like c/y 35/1.4), but it's still much smaller than the ZA 35/1.4 and preferible to the cv 35/1.7 if not for the size.

hopefully i'll like the m 40/1.2 as much...

Nov 26, 2017 at 01:14 PM

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sebboh wrote:
belated reply.

the pentax is great (better than the cv 35/1.7 + 5m pcx for portraits and landscape imo), but doesn't draw all that much like the rx1 (or cv 40/1.2 from what i've seen). it actually draws quite similarly to the c/y 35/1.4 which is my favorite 35mm for portraits, though the pentax has a little less pop. for me, the pentax is too big (like c/y 35/1.4), but it's still much smaller than the ZA 35/1.4 and preferible to the cv 35/1.7 if not for the size.

hopefully i'll like the m 40/1.2 as much...

Better late than never. The SMC-P FA31/1.8 Limited get too little attention in my opinion. A great lens. I think it pops well enough. OTOH the CA is sometimes too much.
But, how do you figure it is the same size as the C/Y 35/1.4? In fact, add a hood to the CV40/1.2 (E-mount) and it is about 10mm shorter than the FA31.

Nov 26, 2017 at 01:32 PM

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Nov 26, 2017 at 02:06 PM

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sebboh wrote:
i didn't mean it's the same size as the c/y 35/1.4, just that it is too big for me. the length difference between the two isn't huge though (weight and girth are another story).

pop is quite good, just not up to the contax. i didn't really notice much CA, maybe because i have that box checked by default in LR, or did you mean loCA or spherochromatism?

Mainly LoCA. And yes, the weight and diameter difference is the big difference. Well, there is a risk the CV40/1.2 is too big as well then?

Nov 26, 2017 at 02:28 PM

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p.41 #13 · p.41 #13 · Voigtlander 40mm f/1.2 Nokton Review

Jonas B wrote:
Mainly LoCA. And yes, the weight and diameter difference is the big difference. Well, there is a risk the CV40/1.2 is too big as well then?

no, from my perspective the cv 40/1.2 is smaller than the cv 35/1.7. i only care about length and don't know what these hood things are people keep talking about. the cv 40/1.2 is the same size as the cv 50/1.5 it will probably be replacing for my purposes.

Nov 26, 2017 at 02:35 PM

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kotmj wrote:
Wouldn't the M mount version be more future-proof? It can be adapted to all mirrorless systems including those FF ones under development at Nikon and Canon.

Maybe.
To me it makes a lot more sense using the E version with a Sony camera.

You get:
EXIF-values
A lens communicating distance and aperture values with the camera, good for some flashes
The right focal length is automatically communicated with the IS system, always good
A design with the Sony glass stack in mind.

Then if you switch another brand you can easily sell the lens and by whatever that works best with your new camera.

Nov 26, 2017 at 02:35 PM

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sebboh wrote:

no, from my perspective the cv 40/1.2 is smaller than the cv 35/1.7. i only care about length and don't know what these hood things are people keep talking about. the cv 40/1.2 is the same size as the cv 50/1.5 it will probably be replacing for my purposes.

Ah... for an M camera. I see.
A hood is a thing reducing the risk for fingers, twigs and all sorts of stuff from touching the front lens element. In some cases it also reduces or even eliminates the sun from hitting the front element. In my life that doesn't happen too often though. What a hood really does is allowing you to place the lens front down in your satchel bag. Then you can forget about lens caps instead.
The CV40/1.2 doesn't have the same bite wide open as the CV50/1.5 has. Maybe at f/1.7 or so. But yes, I can see the 40mm replace the 50.

Nov 26, 2017 at 02:41 PM

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p.41 #16 · p.41 #16 · Voigtlander 40mm f/1.2 Nokton Review

Hi,

Thank you, but three images without the M-->E adapter?

Okay here you go ultron 35mm with 40mm 1.2 E and M with adapters for a height comparison.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/143385549@N02/38607022126/in/dateposted-public

Nov 26, 2017 at 04:22 PM

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p.41 #17 · p.41 #17 · Voigtlander 40mm f/1.2 Nokton Review

I happen to like small lenses, but I actually think the FE version has just the "right" size for what it is. It handles very nicely and the medium size and weight makes it easy to use and very stable at slow shutter speeds. With IBIS you can shoot it at 1/5 of a second and get a surprisingly good yield. I find that very hard with the Loxia, which is not that much smaller or lighter.

OTOH, I'd like it to be smaller if I was carrying a kit of lenses when hiking or so. Personally, I tend to use it as a one-for-everything lens. And then it doesn't matter that much. It's still very much smaller than the FE 35/1.4, for example.

Nov 26, 2017 at 05:33 PM

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p.41 #18 · p.41 #18 · Voigtlander 40mm f/1.2 Nokton Review

Jonas B wrote:
sebboh wrote:
Ah... for an M camera. I see.
A hood is a thing reducing the risk for fingers, twigs and all sorts of stuff from touching the front lens element. In some cases it also reduces or even eliminates the sun from hitting the front element. In my life that doesn't happen too often though. What a hood really does is allowing you to place the lens front down in your satchel bag. Then you can forget about lens caps instead.
The CV40/1.2 doesn't have the same bite wide open as the CV50/1.5 has. Maybe at f/1.7 or so. But yes,...Show more →

not for an m camera, for my sony with thin filter mod.

i live in the pacific northwest, what is this sun of which you speak? i think i might have used a hood (pull out variety) to keep rain off the front element once or twice...

i don't like lens protection devices that increase the length of my lens by more than 1mm, so no filters and no hoods that aren't the pull out type. only screw on and push on metal lens caps allowed. often i just use nothing to protect the lens in my bag or pocket.

Nov 26, 2017 at 06:28 PM

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p.41 #19 · p.41 #19 · Voigtlander 40mm f/1.2 Nokton Review

Jonas B wrote:
sebboh wrote:
Better late than never. The SMC-P FA31/1.8 Limited get too little attention in my opinion. A great lens. I think it pops well enough. OTOH the CA is sometimes too much.
But, how do you figure it is the same size as the C/Y 35/1.4? In fact, add a hood to the CV40/1.2 (E-mount) and it is about 10mm shorter than the FA31.

Always trying to convince Sebboh on the glories of the Pentax 31, but the size was too much. There’s CA, esp. Bokeh fringing, but it’s ok-ish. Hasn’t ruined any photos yet for me. No perfect lenses. Even with an adapter it’s 150g lighter than a naked CY. It’s virtually identical in weight to the ZM 35 1.4 if they both have their adapters, but bulkier. Like the CY 35 1.4, it’s extremely easy to MF. Easier than my zm or cv 35s.

For those curious, the Bokeh on the CY 35 and Pentax are similar (slightly better on Pentax), but the transition zone on the CY is coarser and quicker. With that, the 37.5mm FL and the micro-contrast, you get 3-d. The Pentax has smother transition zone and rich contrasty colors, so files feel spacial and rich instead. Both are lovely.

2.4 or 2.8

Nov 26, 2017 at 06:30 PM

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p.41 #20 · p.41 #20 · Voigtlander 40mm f/1.2 Nokton Review

SharpContrast wrote:
Okay I know this isn't the most accurate test for comer sharpness between m -mount and e- mount but again I was short on time.
It's an uneven surface and I was using a techart( manual focusing) and the exposures are different but i still think it shows that the m-mount isn't that much worse compared to e-mount.

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https://www.flickr.com/photos/143385549@N02/38604958122/in/dateposted-public/

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https://www.flickr.com/photos/143385549@N02/38604958122/in/dateposted-public/
Hi SharpContrast,
I just bought a M version. But I can not open flickr here. Can you please send me the above compare pictures of the E and M version?(my email: [email protected]) Thank you very much!

Nov 27, 2017 at 03:54 AM

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