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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · Annoyed about buying the A7R2

I own an A7R and it delivers fantastic landscape images for most of my use cases. However, it's not very good with long lenses at low shutter speeds. Which annoys me a lot. I end up using my RX10M3 or my daughter's Alpha 6500 for that.

But I think what annoys me more is buying a more than 2 year old camera for a fat price with some serious performance deficits versus the Alpha 6500 - which I truly love to use, much less the even better A9 with serious AF and the new battery chops. I'm also very annoyed about the star eater stuff, and the A7R is better for astro anyway.

It's not a matter of the cost - that's not an issue - more a matter of perceived value for money spent, and getting dated technology that isn't really delivering better images (for me, the bottom line).

I wish Sony would just go ahead and release the A9R so I could stop being annoyed.

FWP I know...

Aug 25, 2017 at 04:44 PM

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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · Annoyed about buying the A7R2

It sounds to me, that you're experiencing Shutter Shock, which is common for the A7R.
There's a "frequency" of shutter speeds that need to be avoided, but I can't remember what they are off hand.
Hopefully, others can help.

Aug 25, 2017 at 04:57 PM

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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · Annoyed about buying the A7R2

It sounds to me, that you're experiencing Shutter Shock, which is common for the A7R.

Right.

Unfortunately, I can't really avoid it since I usually photograph handheld so I don't have as much flexibility about using slower shutter speeds.

Aug 25, 2017 at 05:24 PM

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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · Annoyed about buying the A7R2

Nothing wrong with A7R2 at all, I just wished it has more than 6MP compared to A7R. Everything else seems perfectly fine for me.

Aug 25, 2017 at 05:38 PM

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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · Annoyed about buying the A7R2

Nothing wrong with A7R2 at all, I just wished it has more than 6MP compared to A7R. Everything else seems perfectly fine for me.

AF is not up to Sony's current standards (A9). Batteries aren't up to Sony's current standards (A9). Star eater. Long exposures aren't very good. Doesn't have 60-70MP like Sony's next camera will have. Spending $2000+ for a camera going on 2 1/2 years old and due for replacement any minute.

Aug 25, 2017 at 05:56 PM

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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · Annoyed about buying the A7R2

I see what you mean but but ....still 3 generations ahead of canon sensor and cheaper than 5D4

Aug 25, 2017 at 06:02 PM

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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · Annoyed about buying the A7R2

lightskyland wrote:
AF is not up to Sony's current standards (A9). Batteries aren't up to Sony's current standards (A9). Star eater. Long exposures aren't very good. Doesn't have 60-70MP like Sony's next camera will have. Spending $2000+ for a camera going on 2 1/2 years old and due for replacement any minute.

Technology will always be replaced with something better. I suggest you just focus on taking great photos with your current gear and not worry so much with what's coming around the bend.

Aug 25, 2017 at 06:09 PM

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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · Annoyed about buying the A7R2

The gear does not make the photographer. I have two 7rii's. Do not chase technology. Love the 7rii and even when the next model comes out, will stick with what I have. Every once in a while I take out my Nikon 6 megapixel and have some fun. Invest in great glass

Aug 25, 2017 at 06:20 PM

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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · Annoyed about buying the A7R2

Don't give up on your A7R quite yet! See if this thread has an answer that works for you. Basically, using a Meikie grip and some metal weights instead of one of the two batteries, I totally tamed the shutter shock.

My previous solution to this one was a huge chunk of steel that was attached to an Arca clamp and then attached to the bottom of an L plate. That was hard to hand hold. This is heavier than a battery grip with two batteries, but if you can manage a battery grip with two batteries, you can manage this!

Good luck.

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lightskyland wrote:
I own an A7R and it delivers fantastic landscape images for most of my use cases. However, it's not very good with long lenses at low shutter speeds. Which annoys me a lot. I end up using my RX10M3 or my daughter's Alpha 6500 for that.

But I think what annoys me more is buying a more than 2 year old camera for a fat price with some serious performance deficits versus the Alpha 6500 - which I truly love to use, much less the even better A9 with serious AF and the new battery chops. I'm also very annoyed about...Show more →

Aug 25, 2017 at 06:37 PM

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p.1 #10 · p.1 #10 · Annoyed about buying the A7R2

Do you need a 50-60 megapixel camera? Think before you buy.

Aug 25, 2017 at 06:49 PM

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p.1 #11 · p.1 #11 · Annoyed about buying the A7R2

My first 7rii was bought two years ago. I just bought a second one. I travel a lot and go to some places where changing lenses could be a problem. I believe that for the money, the 7rii is the best digital camera today. I mainly shoot landscapes, family and street photography. The old 7rii can only do 5 frames per second. Horrible? Ask sport photographers what the do? Battery life? Carry two of the very heavy batteries in your pocket. Is this a big deal? Could have bought the a9, but am not impressed with it for my use. I will say it again, do not chase technology and invest in great glass

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Aug 25, 2017 at 07:16 PM

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p.1 #12 · p.1 #12 · Annoyed about buying the A7R2

I solved my image issues by simply switching to Capture 1 and in extreme cases using Franzis's Sharpen. Give it a try. The A7RII is a fantastic camera.

Aug 25, 2017 at 07:30 PM

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p.1 #13 · p.1 #13 · Annoyed about buying the A7R2

Do you need a 50-60 megapixel camera? Think before you buy.

Need? No. But I think my 100 STF, Lox 21 etc. are fully capable of making use of a 60-70MP sensor.

Aug 25, 2017 at 07:32 PM

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p.1 #14 · p.1 #14 · Annoyed about buying the A7R2

Need and want are different issues. How much is enough? One of the best photographers I ever worked with is a pro from Turin Italy. He shot with a six year old canon half frame. The gear does not make the photographer.

Aug 25, 2017 at 07:36 PM

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p.1 #15 · p.1 #15 · Annoyed about buying the A7R2

Sony isn't trying to screw you. There are always trade offs in camera design. Sure with the updated LSI, a revamped A7R2 could focus a bit faster (although the current shutter is limiting the frame rate and I'm not sure what can be done to fix that, I believe the part is made by Copal not Sony).

The reason the A9 can focus so well/fast is because the sensor scans so quickly. Right now the technology doesn't exist to do that with a high-res sensor—at least not in the form factor and for the price point we're accustomed to paying. There's a chance the new full-frame CineAlta camera from Sony will shoot 8k in which case you can purchase that in a week or so.

Sony may be coming out with a 60+ MP camera. But it won't focus like the A9.

Aug 25, 2017 at 07:40 PM

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p.1 #16 · p.1 #16 · Annoyed about buying the A7R2

Do we need a 60 plus megapixel camera? Imagine the image size.

Aug 25, 2017 at 07:47 PM

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p.1 #17 · p.1 #17 · Annoyed about buying the A7R2

lightskyland wrote:
Need? No. But I think my 100 STF, Lox 21 etc. are fully capable of making use of a 60-70MP sensor.

The question you need to ask yourself is are you ready to make use of a 70 mpix camera?

Aug 25, 2017 at 07:47 PM

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p.1 #18 · p.1 #18 · Annoyed about buying the A7R2

Who would need it? Are you happy with the horrible and old 42 megapixel 7rii? Are you going to print on billboards? Can we exist at only 5 frames a second?

Aug 25, 2017 at 07:55 PM

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p.1 #19 · p.1 #19 · Annoyed about buying the A7R2

The question you need to ask yourself is are you ready to make use of a 70 mpix camera?

Yes, I remember fifteen years ago when people asked that about 20+ MP cameras.

Aug 25, 2017 at 08:16 PM

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p.1 #20 · p.1 #20 · Annoyed about buying the A7R2

Lawrence Blau wrote:
Who would need it? Are you happy with the horrible and old 42 megapixel 7rii? Are you going to print on billboards? Can we exist at only 5 frames a second?

This is a misconception. Billboards are viewed at long distances and don't actually need to be captured with a high megapixel camera.
Higher megapixel sensors will be useful for cropping and fine art printing showing high frequency detail viewed at close distances.

Aug 25, 2017 at 08:19 PM

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