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Hi all
I'm travelling to Cambodia in just under a week and have been mulling over what to bring for my week-long trip. Ideally I would travel with my M 240 and 35lux, but I haven't been able to obtain travel insurance which would cover anywhere close to half the cost of the lens and camera and so I've been looking into alternatives for my trip (buying used and selling later on, or to keep for future trips).

My requirements (in order or priority):
- 35mm (or 28mm, 35mm being preferred)
- f/2 and faster (for flexibility)
- APS-C sized sensor or larger
- Tactile controls
- small and discrete
- doesn't cost an arm and a leg

I've narrowed them down to (in no particular order):
- RX1RII (I had the RX1 before and love that 35zeiss on it)
- Fuji X100T or X100F, Leica Q (I find a little too costly)
- Fuji XT-1 with 23 1.4
- Sony A7 with 28 f2 (A7s would be ideal but there are less floating around in the used market where I stay)
- Alternatively, I buy a cheaper M lens to go along with the camera I already have. Either a 28mm or 35mm.

Any ideas as to the setups or alternative M mount glass? I've little to no experience with any of the cameras I've listed, except for minor fiddling at camera stores or the older RX1 and the original X100. Should I just go with the M and the 35lux? Looking forward to hearing your thoughts and what you'd do in my situation.

Cameras aside, I'm going to Siem Reap and Phnom Penh, so for those who've been there before/plan to go there/have any tips in general, your input is welcome! Thank you!

Chas

Jun 12, 2017 at 12:20 AM

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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · Travel camera options (28mm/35mm)

For lenses I would look into Voigtlander VM options for 28mm f2, 35mm (f1.2, 1.4, 1.7)
https://phillipreeve.net/blog/lenses/leica-lenses/

For cameras I'd especially consider Ricoh Gr2 for the form factor.

Jun 12, 2017 at 12:30 AM

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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · Travel camera options (28mm/35mm)

If you can stomach the cost of RX1RII, why not push your A7 in to A7II? That way you get IBIS, and that matters IMHO. Also, I prefer the small Sony-Zeiss FE 35 f:2.8 to the Sony 28 f:2.0. Fred Miranda uses one, and so does Joshua Ong (AGeoJo) who writes today: BTW, I am actually impressed with that lens. Not only by the minimal weight and bulk but optically, too. I think it is a great lens and I believe Fred feels the same way.
Either way, have fun!

Jun 12, 2017 at 01:39 AM

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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · Travel camera options (28mm/35mm)

Too many people worry unnecessarily about their gear when they travel in Asia. Having half covered would be a dream for me (I live in China so insurance is prohibitively expensive - like the cost of a very good new lens expensive for a month's insurance) and I travel all over Asia / Europe.

If you are savvy and careful (hand or chest/neck straps, belts etc. when in use and waist camera bag when not, though the Mindshift bags are great if you prefer a backpack) then the chances of loss via theft, accident or being mislaid are really minimal. And I wouldn't put Siem Reap and Phnom Penh down as high risk areas.

Take one of your cameras and whatever you have around 21mm, 35mm (another vote for the CV 35/1.7 though I know most on here prefer the much more expensive Zeiss M 35/1.4) and a 90mm.

Jun 12, 2017 at 01:48 AM

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Easy decision, if cost is not a factor: for anyone who prefers the 35mm FL, the RX1R II is not only optically peerless but just so easy to grab and take anywhere. But you had the RX1 so you know that already.

I realize that more than a few FM members admire the FE 35/2.8 but I'd suggest the excellent images they produce are achieved within quite narrow constraints: essentially, landscape photographs made at apertures no faster than f/5.6 in order to eliminate (most of) the horrendous vignetting. I still have one, which I've tried to like for exactly the qualities that philber lists, but I'll sell it now that I have a single-coated CV Nokton Classic 35/1.4 (which is also kind of a one-trick pony except it's a trick that I find delightful).

You say that ideally you would travel with the M240 and the 35Lux. In that case, why not pair the M240 with a CV 35/1.7 (as others have suggested) and leave the 35Lux at home? On your return you could sell the CV or, as you suggested, keep it for further trips. The reviews that banpreso linked to on Phillip Reeve's site will tell you everything you need to know about the various CV options.

Jun 12, 2017 at 05:33 AM

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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · Travel camera options (28mm/35mm)

RX1R II or X-T2 w/23mm f1.4 or 6D w/35mm f2 IS.

Your choice, they're all capable.

Jun 12, 2017 at 08:15 AM

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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · Travel camera options (28mm/35mm)

Seems like a bit overkill to buy a whole new system or a $2.5k+ full frame compact to minimize the loss on a $3k lens and a $3k camera body on the used market today. It also seems counterintuitive to own such a nice camera and not use it. I think the easiest way to minimize your loss is to bring the Leica m240 but use a zeiss 35 zm lens (not the f1.4 one) or the latest cv35mm as many have stated.

Alternatively, if you are that worried about theft and are ok with one focal length being 28mm, I would highly recommend a used Nikon coolpix A. Great image quality, fits in your pocket and very unassuming. They hover around the $300-$400 range on the used market. The Ricoh GR, GR II, and the Fuji x70 all have similar lens + sensor capabilities as well. The Sony a6000 and a5100 could also serve as fairly deposable and resaleable aps-c camera systems. Doesn't make sense to buy a $2.5k to $3k compact to protect against $3k of potential losss assuming your insurance could cover half.

Jun 12, 2017 at 09:26 AM

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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · Travel camera options (28mm/35mm)

I would recommend you consider either the RX100 or the Ricoh GR. Both are superb travel cameras....

Jun 12, 2017 at 10:47 AM

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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · Travel camera options (28mm/35mm)

Thanks all for the replies.

Why am I looking for another body for fear of being robbed? I suppose it's an irrational fear, I've travelled across Europe over the past few years with no issues at all (both personal and camera items). I naturally sling the camera across my body or wrap the strap around my wrist, so i'm unlikely to be a victim of any snatch theft, and I never leave my camera unattended. This thought arose because I was looking into travel insurance in Singapore (I was previously based in London for a few years) and found that most insurers only cover up to $1000 for camera gear. If insurance covered half the cost, I'd bring the M240 and 35lux in a heartbeat. It's just a peace of mind thing. I figured if I can't afford to lose it, I should bring something cheaper.

From what I've shortlisted, the RX1RII is the most expensive (ignore the Leica Q, it wasn't really an option anyway). However I can get one used for $2.5k here so I'd rather bring a tiny, silent, power packed camera with a lens I have a soft spot for, when it's still under the cost of a used 35lux or M240. I'm trying to keep the cost as low as I can, but not compromise on the shooting experience and quality so much. If I can avoid a more expensive purchase I will gladly do so. There are symptoms of GAS in my quest.. Ultimately I am rather picky, but if someone handed me one of the above options and said "go shoot" I'd happily do so. I am clearly spoilt for choice - so either I bite the bullet and just go for one of the many options I have or bring what I already have and just go shoot. I admit some might view this as a frivolous endeavour.

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APS-C sensor compact (GR/Coolpix A/X100 series):
I do have access to a Ricoh GR (not the II) and have used one quite a bit while my M was servicing. It's really light and does really well in good light but I find the lens isn't fast enough and not shooting with a viewfinder is something that bothers me (granted I can buy an optical viewfinder). Same for the Coolpix A and X70. However this brings me to the X100T. I'm sure the X100F is a more capable camera but the prices are rather steep for what it is, given there's the T. Does the T have the same sensor as the GR/X70? I was for the most part satisfied with the GR's sensor but in low light I wished it was a stop better. The X100T does have a faster lens and a viewfinder, which gets around some of the issues I had with the GR. Plus it has manual controls. The XT-1 (XT-2/X-Pro2 are too expensive to me) and 23 1.4 is somewhere in the mix, though if there's a tossup between the A6000 + 24 1.8 Zeiss, I wouldn't know.

FE 35 2.8 and A7 Series cameras:
I've heard lots of good things about the FE 35 2.8. In general, vignetting (and corner sharpness) isn't a big issue to me. My main bugbear? Speed of the lens. I'm a sucker for fast glass and anything above f2 isn't an immediate option, though it's certainly an option and 35mm is definitely more natural for me than 28mm.

Why A7 - it's cheaper and I'm trying to keep the cost of the potentially temporary solution low, though IBIS is certainly useful. A7S because its one camera I've coveted for a long while and it's the same price as the A7II. But why I'm reluctant to buy an A7 series camera as a whole is because I'm more likely to keep it after the trip, and more likely to start buying all sorts of glass (in particular C/Y glass) to play with. The adaptability of glass is an option I'm trying to preclude. The M240's cumbersome EVF has thus far put me off doing so.

Alternative M glass:
My issue with the voigtlaender glass is focus shift. I don't know how prevalent this is over CV glass but I've read numerous reviews and forum posts concerning the 28 f2 (a lens I'd otherwise be seriously considering because of bang-for-buck) and 35 1.4 mentioning it. I'm not so sure of whether the 35 1.7 suffers from focus shift - the pictures it produces look fantastic, the 0.5m MFD is brilliant and it's pretty small (though it does lack a "proper" focus tab). Likewise for ZM lenses, the 28 2.8, 35 f2 biogon and even the 25 2.8 all came to mind (the 35 1.4 is too big). While vignetting and corner sharpness aren't a big deal, purple/magenta corners are a bother. Then we have the issue of coding as a whole, which I have a preference for (though manual coding is an option and is minor in the grand scheme of things). I did consider a 28 elmarit or 35 summicron, but they're not really cheap alternatives per se. I also came across a 28mm 2.8 konica hexanon and a 35mm f2 UC-Hexanon, the latter a lens I've eyed for a while. Nevertheless they aren't really options - the UC's MFD is a put off and it costs too much.

In short:
The budget I'm really comfortable to work with is around $700USD. Basically the price of an X100T, or another used M mount lens (though this would mean I'm still bringing a pricey kit there due to M + alternative lens)
The next bracket is the A7 + 35 f2.8/28 f2 vs A6000 + 24 1.8 vs Fuji XT-1 + 23 1.4 vs X100F
Last bracket being the RX1R2, which is really just an exception to the budget because I regard the lens very highly and the form factor, leaf shutter and sensor just make a killer combo.

Or I just bring what I have. Talk about first world problems.

Jun 12, 2017 at 11:57 AM

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Was recently in Cambodia for 9 days as part of our year long trip around the world, spent a few days in Phnom Penh and the rest in and around Siem Reap. My Fuji 10-24 was my most used lens by far, especially in the tight confines of Angkor Wat. I wouldn't go there without a UWA, but that's a personal thing. I carried everything (two XT2 bodies with lenses) in a Domke 803 shoulder bag and there was never a second I felt unsafe.

Quick tip, if you want to travel between Phnom Penh and Siem Reap on the cheap, Cambodia Post uses nice passenger vans to transport mail between the larger cities and passengers to subsidize the operation. We went from PP to SR for about $8 USD each. And you get to see large part of the country you wouldn't by flying. It was really cool.

Below is a link to a few images from our time there - all shot with the XT2 and most with the 10-24 or 18-55 IIRC. I'm still learning Fuji processing and traveling with a 12" MacBook, so all edits are quick global adjustments. I'll re-edit when I get home on my iMac retina, please forgive the processing at the moment.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/trekofjoy/albums/72157681847005535

Enjoy your trip, Cambodia is a really special place.

Edit: a few other tips:

The place to get your Angkor Wat pass is off the main road in a bizarre shopping complex, map it out, though any Tuk-Tuk driver knows it well. You have to have your pass to access the road to the ruins and they take your pic and make a pass for you there. Supposedly people were buying multi-day passes and selling them after a couple days. Explore the whole complex, there are so many cool things to see. We went there 4 days in a row, it never got old. I'd skip renting e-bikes or pedaling as tuk-tuk's are so cheap.

Check any motorbike thoroughly before hiring a Tuk-Tuk, we got a dud that was in need of serious maintenance and took much longer to get to Angkor than any other we used. Look for newer 150's. Don't be afraid to walk away from one driver and find another. About $1 USD per KM is the norm, though for longer trips like Phnom Krom (highest point in Siem Reap and a great place for sunsets) you can offer the driver something like $20 USD round trip and they'll wait or you.

If you get a good driver that doesn't ask for crazy fares, get their number and use them to get you everywhere. It makes a huge difference.

If you're planning on doing Angkor Wat at sunrise - remember so are a couple thousand other people - no joke its massively crowded when the sun comes up. Go the day before and scout your location. Get there at about 4:30 am or earlier to get in line (it opens at 5 am) and then run like a madman to your spot - otherwise the crowd will be three rows deep in an instant. My wife ran to our spot so I didn't have to run with my pack and tripod. I have so many shots of the sun just coming up over the temple with people that scooted while in front of me at the reflection pond taking selfies. I was shooting long exposures and people kept inching in front of my camera "just for a second" - it was very frustrating.

Also, if you want to take the postal van you can book online. Its really easy.

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Frogfish wrote:
Link not working. How long does it take by Postal Van ?

Cheers !
Kevin

Hmm, the link works the I click on it.

Postal van from PP to SR takes about 6 hours including a couple stops for toilet breaks and lunch. I added a few more thoughts to my post above.

Cheers

Chris

Jun 12, 2017 at 12:49 PM

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Having travelled to Cambodia a few times before, I would not hesitate to take the Leica and the Lux - I did and had no troubles. I think you are worrying far, far too much. Cambodia is a Buddhist country, with low theft rates and delightfully honest people. Even if you leave your camera on a table, and providing there are no tourists around, you are likely to get the camera returned. I have been touched by the honesty of people in Cambodia, Laos and especially Burma. Many places in Europe are far more dangerous.

Cambodia images on this site

If you really can't banish the fear, then take something you can afford to lose - buy a secondhand X100T. This is excellent for travel, is flat and easy to carry, has an excellent built in flash with a quiet leaf shutter for really good fill - sometimes needed to fill in dark shadows in harsh sunlight and should not cost more than $700. You will hardly notice any drop in quality between it and your Leica

Jun 12, 2017 at 01:27 PM

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Trek_of_Joy wrote:
Hmm, the link works the I click on it.

Postal van from PP to SR takes about 6 hours including a couple stops for toilet breaks and lunch. I added a few more thoughts to my post above.

Cheers

Chris

That's strange Chris - I still get a 404 page not found from Flikr.

Jun 12, 2017 at 03:40 PM

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Just get separate camera insurance if it's a concern. Plenty of insurance companies out there who specialise in camera gear.

Gordon

Jun 12, 2017 at 04:19 PM

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Does your homeowner's/renter's policy not cover you when you travel?

The Leica X113 is a nice little camera with somewhat familiar controls for M-shooters. I suggest it because it's got the best MF operability short of the Q. No built-in EVF, though, so while the camera's reasonably (for Leica) priced on the used market, the EFV is another expense to consider if you want one.

If you decide to take the 240, both the ZM Biogon 35 f2.8 and 2 are solid 35's and typically go for at least 25% off retail on the used market. And, while I didn't shoot them side by side, I was far more impressed with the f2.8 than I was with the Summarit-M 35

Jun 12, 2017 at 10:13 PM

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Trek_of_Joy wrote:
Was recently in Cambodia for 9 days as part of our year long trip around the world, spent a few days in Phnom Penh and the rest in and around Siem Reap. My Fuji 10-24 was my most used lens by far, especially in the tight confines of Angkor Wat. I wouldn't go there without a UWA, but that's a personal thing. I carried everything (two XT2 bodies with lenses) in a Domke 803 shoulder bag and there was never a second I felt unsafe.

Quick tip, if you want to travel between Phnom Penh and Siem Reap on the cheap,...Show more →

Trek, this is greatly appreciated! Will keep your tips in mind.

As for the flickr link, it doesn't work for me either. I suspect the page is private.

wolfloid wrote:
Having travelled to Cambodia a few times before, I would not hesitate to take the Leica and the Lux - I did and had no troubles. I think you are worrying far, far too much. Cambodia is a Buddhist country, with low theft rates and delightfully honest people. Even if you leave your camera on a table, and providing there are no tourists around, you are likely to get the camera returned. I have been touched by the honesty of people in Cambodia, Laos and especially Burma. Many places in Europe are far more dangerous.

Cambodia images on this site

If you...Show more →

I'm definitely concerned, but also definitely not overly caught up by it. I just don't want to be kicking myself knowing I had run it through in my head but never acted on it should anything happen. For me Indochina is a region I need to get a feel of first before I feel better.. it's a personal thing and tripadvisor reviews have fed negative info which is lingering at the back of my mind. Will look into the X100T, but regardless, you and Trek have made me feel better about bringing my existing gear.

freaklikeme wrote:
Does your homeowner's/renter's policy not cover you when you travel?

The Leica X113 is a nice little camera with somewhat familiar controls for M-shooters. I suggest it because it's got the best MF operability short of the Q. No built-in EVF, though, so while the camera's reasonably (for Leica) priced on the used market, the EFV is another expense to consider if you want one.

If you decide to take the 240, both the ZM Biogon 35 f2.8 and 2 are solid 35's and typically go for at least 25% off retail on the used market. And, while I didn't shoot them...Show more →

It doesn't. Or at least thats what my insurer has told me but he hasn't got back to me yet. I called a few insurers here and they don't cover camera gear. I'm sure there are some which cover gear as a whole for professionals or gear rental companies but no insurer raised that option to me over the phone. If the cost of insuring runs into a couple of hundreds, I should just pick up another camera.

I actually have the EVF for the X113 (i suspect it's the same one as the M240's). I think that's another camera thrown into the mix. Likewise the 35 2.8 ZM - will look at sample photos too. Thanks!

Jun 12, 2017 at 10:21 PM

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aFrIcanSH wrote:
I'm definitely concerned, but also definitely not overly caught up by it. I just don't want to be kicking myself knowing I had run it through in my head but never acted on it should anything happen. For me Indochina is a region I need to get a feel of first before I feel better.. it's a personal thing and tripadvisor reviews have fed negative info which is lingering at the back of my mind. Will look into the X100T, but regardless, you and Trek have made me feel better about bringing my existing gear.

Over the last few months I've been in Malaysia, Singapore, Vietnam, Indonesia, Cambodia, Vietnam, Thailand, Myanmar, India and Nepal with zero issues while carrying two XT2's each sporting one of the following: 10-24, 18-55, 55-200, 23/1.4 or 56/1.2 - I don't change lenses outside my room because we've been traveling through some dusty places as mentioned. Though in the massive 10,000 vendor Chatuchak market in Thailand I got felt up by a pickpocket (I don't carry anything in pockets) and just missed grabbing his hand.

I always have a grip on my camera when its around my neck and most of the time they're in a Domke shoulder bag or a generic backpack - both of which are such a PITA to open - I'd notice if someone was trying to get in. Also lots of awareness between me and my wife, checking my surroundings regularly, checking my bag regularly, keeping it in front of me in crowds/on trains, keeping the bag away from the street side when walking along a road (so motorbike snatchers can't reach it) and so on. Personally I didn't like the fit of things like the Pacsafe bags so I decided to just use a regular bag.

I've seen a couple people casing my bag and following us around after I remove or put a camera away but nothing has happened and if you start watching them and shoot photos their way, they move on. I also had a woman sit next to me (on my left) on a Saigon park bench to "practice her English." Then a guy walks up to do the same only he's standing on my right, and because I was wearing sunglasses and looking at the woman, he probably didn't see me watching him the whole time as he inched closer to my bag while she kept asking me questions and flirting. I just stood up, said it was time to do more sightseeing and left with an iron grip on my bag.

Situational awareness and not making yourself a target. I was sitting in a crowded outdoor Istanbul cafe yesterday and a guy had a d800/24-70 just sitting on the table in front of him, anyone could have ran by, snatched the camera and disappeared into the crowd. When I was Italy a few weeks ago, we were at the statue of David, thousands of people in the square and another expensive Nikon setup was just sitting on a stoop next to a guy while he was eating. Anyone could have grabbed it and been gone in an instant. You see people just setting their bags in a chair in street side cafes then heading to the toilet, all could easily be snatched - my wife and I are very diligent about making sure our packs are secure in public. Be smart and don't make yourself a target like those fools.

Before heading out on our trip I was really concerned about waking around places like India and Vietnam at night after reading stories of theft, but after being in some very sketchy areas without any incidents, I'm feeling pretty good about things. Though I was travel weary and fell for two common Istanbul cab driver scams at the end of one ride the other day and I feel like an idiot.

Jun 12, 2017 at 11:43 PM

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flash wrote:
Just get separate camera insurance if it's a concern. Plenty of insurance companies out there who specialise in camera gear.

Gordon

Only if you live in a 1st world country. For the rest of us it's a pain and either impossible or prohibitively expensive ($1,000 - 2,000 + for a month) !

Jun 13, 2017 at 12:38 AM

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Trek_of_Joy wrote:
Over the last few months I've been in Malaysia, Singapore, Vietnam, Indonesia, Cambodia, Vietnam, Thailand, Myanmar, India and Nepal with zero issues while carrying two XT2's each sporting one of the following: 10-24, 18-55, 55-200, 23/1.4 or 56/1.2 - I don't change lenses outside my room because we've been traveling through some dusty places as mentioned.

I always have a grip on my camera when its around my neck and most of the time they're in a Domke shoulder bag or a generic backpack - both of which are such a PITA to open - I'd notice if someone was...Show more →
And a lot of this awareness comes from experience - which is always good to pass on via forums like this if it makes others think twice and act differently, more defensively. The more alert you seem the less attention you'll attract, the scamsters and thieves will look for easier targets and there are always plenty of them. I wouldn't call those people fools - just naive, too trusting or unworldly travellers.

The PacSafe bags are good because they protect against blades that can slice through virtually any bag - but I agree I don't like them aesthetically or in practical use. I use Mindshift Rotation (they have smaller bags too) and it's very very difficult for a thief to get at your camera gear in them due to the bag-in-a-bag construction - yet takes just a few seconds to unlock and rotate in front for use.

Trek_of_Joy wrote:
Before heading out on our trip I was really concerned about waking around places like India and Vietnam at night after reading stories of theft, but after being in some very sketchy areas without any incidents, I'm feeling pretty good about things. Though I was travel weary and fell for two common Istanbul cab driver scams at the end of one ride the other day and I feel like an idiot. Planning to visit Turkey this year - so would love to hear of the taxi scams ? I'm sure they are not endemic to Turkey

Finally I'd concur on traveling in Asia, I've been all over and only ever had an issue once (ironically where I live, in Shanghai, a pickpocket who I caught and handed over to police) but having lived in China & HK for over 20 years I'd say that's just the Law of Averages catching up with me

Jun 13, 2017 at 12:55 AM

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