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Archive 2017 · Pre-order: Sony A9

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p.7 #1 · p.7 #1 · Pre-order: Sony A9

Fred Miranda wrote:
It looks like Sony found a way (stacked CMOS with 20x faster data readout) to make Silent shutter the default option. It seems to be distortion free and without the extra noise we get from our current silent shutter implementation. The mechanic shutter will really be an option for when using flash.
It should be amazing to shoot sports without any blackout and silently.

From what I read, it does not seem Sony was able to implement Lossless compressed RAW though...

so they use the phrase 'distortion free' - i'm wondering if that is referring only to negative side effects like 'rolling shutter' - or if it also refers to what we noticed with EFCS and bokeh ? hopefully "all of the above" but this will be something to investigate early on.

Apr 19, 2017 at 12:30 PM

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p.7 #2 · p.7 #2 · Pre-order: Sony A9

Fred Miranda wrote:
Should Canon/Nikon be scared of this?

With disregard of the A9, Canikon should be already scared of the steady decline in DLSR sales that has been going on for several years.. and there're no signs that this trend will change for better any time soon. If, in top that, you add the A9 to the equation..

Apr 19, 2017 at 12:32 PM

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p.7 #3 · p.7 #3 · Pre-order: Sony A9

mttran wrote:
+1, the only hope they have now is more fake news from their fan boys

You see those are already gathering here....see a few posts earlier

Apr 19, 2017 at 12:33 PM

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p.7 #4 · p.7 #4 · Pre-order: Sony A9

AGeoJO wrote:
Now, Sony, reduce the speed but keep everything else intact or close and put in a 50MP stacked sensor then I would jump wit both feet. Oh, that's the A9r, huh? Okay, when can I preorder that

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it would be nice if they gave us the D5 / D3x / D800 options -
i know there are folks who want the MF-killer @ 70+ MP and would pay a lot for that sensor in this camera,
but i think they'd have a ton of interest for a 40-50 MP sensor with DR improvement inside the a9 body/specs.

obviously FPS/buffer will all be scaled to processing the higher MPs, but everything else could be the same - just need some stacked sensors with huge readout speeds at ~45MP and ~75MP - i'm sure they already have them

Apr 19, 2017 at 12:37 PM

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p.7 #5 · p.7 #5 · Pre-order: Sony A9

molson wrote:
Did you notice that the 300 f2.8G and 500 f4G are special-order items only? Sony doesn't manufacture these lenses unless someone places and order. That will have to change if they have any hopes of getting into the pro market.

They have to make new E mount, 300/2.8 and 500/4, which is what I wrote. And quickly. The old ones from the A mount must be on their way out, I guess.

Sorry, if my previous post wasn't clear. I've edited it.

Edited on Apr 19, 2017 at 12:47 PM · View previous versions

Apr 19, 2017 at 12:37 PM

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p.7 #6 · p.7 #6 · Pre-order: Sony A9

IF (and a big if, but seems to be implied) they have have the speed high enough on the chip and they're reading the whole chip instantaneously then all the defects of previous silent shutters should go away, its basically no different than a mechanical shutter, and in fact better at fast shutter speeds where the slit traveled across the sensor. It seemed to me when they first announced the stacked sensor that's what they were moving towards.

Promising times, but I'm also guessing we'll find some wrinkles in it. Big (potential) step regardless though.

ecarlino wrote:
so they use the phrase 'distortion free' - i'm wondering if that is referring only to negative side effects like 'rolling shutter' - or if it also refers to what we noticed with EFCS and bokeh ? hopefully "all of the above" but this will be something to investigate early on.

Apr 19, 2017 at 12:39 PM

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p.7 #7 · p.7 #7 · Pre-order: Sony A9

ecarlino wrote:
so they use the phrase 'distortion free' - i'm wondering if that is referring only to negative side effects like 'rolling shutter' - or if it also refers to what we noticed with EFCS and bokeh ? hopefully "all of the above" but this will be something to investigate early on.

Isn't the "EFCS and bokeh thing" due to the combination of one electronic + one mechanical curtain. I.e. that effect should go away, if both curtains are electronic, or both curtains are mechanical.

Apr 19, 2017 at 12:40 PM

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p.7 #8 · p.7 #8 · Pre-order: Sony A9

Fred Miranda wrote:
Should Canon/Nikon be scared of this?

I can't speak for others, but I'm not interested in this camera at all. I shoot birds with my 1DX and a 500mm big white. This camera offers more speed (if the AF works as promised) but little else I need/want. And even if Sony came out with the lenses we need, they're still huge. A small camera with those lenses doesn't make a difference. That's why I shoot Olympus next to Canon.

So, I don't see this camera as a game changer that threatens Canon or Nikon. I think the A7 series, esp the R and S, are scarier.

Apr 19, 2017 at 12:45 PM

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p.7 #9 · p.7 #9 · Pre-order: Sony A9

With 24mp, sounds like a better all rounder than A7rII. Will be great for everything including weddings and landscapes.

Apr 19, 2017 at 12:45 PM

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p.7 #10 · p.7 #10 · Pre-order: Sony A9

And, is the AFC really on par with the D5.....

I'd love to have something equally capable, but lighter and smaller. The true weather proofing is also important. Like you, I been shooting in heavy, wind blown rain.

Apr 19, 2017 at 12:46 PM

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Mathieu18 wrote:
Promising times, but I'm also guessing we'll find some wrinkles in it. Big (potential) step regardless though.

Of course, every big new camera release has a lot of hype around it and selectively released information highlighting the best features. Canon, Nikon or Sony. It's just that my impression is there are often a lot of 'gotchas' hidden in Sony cameras that make them a lot less impressive in real-world use. Perhaps the a9 will shed some of that... but I'll wait for some good user reviews before getting too excited about this camera.

Fred Miranda wrote:
They need a 300/2.8 and 400/2.8 at sane prices to be able to complete in the sports arena.

It would help but at least based on fellow Canon users on the sidelines, a lot now shoot with the 200-400, including me. Its near prime IQ, greater compositional flexibility and f/4 is fast enough in marginal lighting situations with the better high ISO performance of current cameras. For me to transition to an a9, they would have to offer a clone of the Canon 200-400 with built-in TC. The camera would also have to offer an equivalent to the anti-flicker feature when shooting under marginal, cycling artificial lighting.

IMO, 100-400/5.6 lenses are too much of a compromise for general sports use because often longer than 400 is needed for field sports (with FF sensors) and f/8 becomes very marginal very quickly at indoor/night events if adding a 1.4x TC.

Apr 19, 2017 at 12:47 PM

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p.7 #12 · p.7 #12 · Pre-order: Sony A9

Weather sealing is mentioned on the product page:

http://www.sony.com/electronics/interchangeable-lens-cameras/ilce-9/specifications

Reliable dust- and moisture-resistant design41
Enjoy carefree shooting in tough environments, with comprehensive dust-and moisture-resistance41 measures that help guard against moisture and dust. Protection includes sealing around buttons, dials, media jack cover, and enclosure edges featuring tongue-and-groove joints for double shielding to tightly interlock panels and components.

Apr 19, 2017 at 12:48 PM

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p.7 #13 · p.7 #13 · Pre-order: Sony A9

bjornthun wrote:
They have to make new E mount, 300/2.8 and 500/4, which is what I wrote. And quickly. The old ones from the A mount must be on their way out, I guess.

The A-mount lenses were never really here, so saying they are on the way out is kind of meaningless. Probably a big reason why the A-mount system never attracted any pro users - who wants to wait six months for a lens to be built and shipped from Japan when you have events to shoot now?

Sony will have to be willing to build E-mount versions for inventory if they want the new E-mount system to attract pros (that, and add a 200mm f1.8 and 400mm f2.8 to the mix...)

Apr 19, 2017 at 12:49 PM

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p.7 #14 · p.7 #14 · Pre-order: Sony A9

JohnK007 wrote:
Not really.

The camera does indeed impress.

However, now that it's out there, I think it would be easier for Canon and Nikon (esp. Nikon) to build a high-end mirrorless competitor to this ... than it will be for Sony to build an entire super-telephoto lineup that can match Canon's or (esp.) Nikon's.

The current Sony super-telephoto lenses are over-priced duds, based on old Minolta specs, failing to match Canon super-teles, let alone Nikon's new lineup of FL ED series.

Ever since the Sigma/Tamron renaissance started (which was around the time the Alpha bodies became viable as pro tools), I've hoped Sony would hook up with one of the brands to license lens designs. I know Sony's got Zeiss on their team, but like you said, they need modern, competitively-priced lenses. Tamron's new 70-200 allegedly nips at the heels of both the Canon and Nikon versions, for half the price. Sigma's 120-300 f2.8 is, by most accounts, worthy of pro use. And of course, both Sigma and Tamron's new line of primes and even many zooms are all highly-praised.

If Sony teamed up with either brand and threw in some $$$ for R&D, I have no doubt that the joint venture could produce some of the finest lenses on the market at prices less than CaNikon. Plus, by working together, they'd avoid the single biggest problem with 3rd party lenses: autofocus inconsistencies. A set of Sigma Art lenses purpose-built to work with Sony Alpha cameras? That's a combo I'd get on board with.

Apr 19, 2017 at 12:49 PM

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Bill Hollinger wrote:
And, is the AFC really on par with the D5.....

I'd love to have something equally capable, but lighter and smaller. The true weather proofing is also important. Like you, I been shooting in heavy, wind blown rain.

Exactly, as I mentioned a page ago, while the camera's specs are exciting to review, the lenses to put at the end of it are a buzz kill.

I believe it will take Sony longer to bring an array of competitive super-telephoto lenses than it will take Nikon to come up with one helluva mirrorless equivalent ... that will instantly have access to their peerless super-tele prime lens selection.

Cameras are exciting ... but they become outdated within a year ... but lenses take much longer to grow old.

Sony's new camera can't cure the fact its super-tele choices are the lowest, oldest, and least-impressive of all.

Apr 19, 2017 at 12:50 PM

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p.7 #16 · p.7 #16 · Pre-order: Sony A9

I the Sony is going to have to prove the AF is up to 1Dx and D5 standards.... Does any pro sports photographer shoot with a Sony E-mount now?

Apr 19, 2017 at 12:54 PM

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p.7 #17 · p.7 #17 · Pre-order: Sony A9

Thats because no one buys them.
Once 500/4 and 300/2.8 are done in FE mount, there won't be any news from A mount in future.

molson wrote:
Did you notice that the 300 f2.8G and 500 f4G are special-order items only? Sony doesn't manufacture these lenses unless someone places and order. That will have to change if they have any hopes of getting into the pro market.

Apr 19, 2017 at 12:55 PM

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VetraLens wrote:
I know Sony's got Zeiss on their team, but like you said, they need modern, competitively-priced lenses.

Yep.

VetraLens wrote:
Tamron's new 70-200 allegedly nips at the heels of both the Canon and Nikon versions, for half the price. Sigma's 120-300 f2.8 is, by most accounts, worthy of pro use. And of course, both Sigma and Tamron's new line of primes and even many zooms are all highly-praised.

"Highly praised" ... and "nipping at the heels" = second best.

Sled dogs, who are behind the lead dog, aren't the ones who have the best view

The Nikon FL ED 70-200 is the lead dog.

VetraLens wrote:
If Sony teamed up with either brand and threw in some $$$ for R&D, I have no doubt that the joint venture could produce some of the finest lenses on the market at prices less than CaNikon. Plus, by working together, they'd avoid the single biggest problem with 3rd party lenses: autofocus inconsistencies. A set of Sigma Art lenses purpose-built to work with Sony Alpha cameras? That's a combo I'd get on board with.

If you were my mother's brother, you'd be my uncle

Again, I believe Nikon will more quickly create a mirrorless peer/excelsior to this Sony mirrorless camera ... than Sony will be able to create a complete, modern super-tele lens lineup that can match Nikon's.

Time will tell.

Apr 19, 2017 at 12:57 PM

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Apr 19, 2017 at 12:58 PM

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VetraLens wrote:
Ever since the Sigma/Tamron renaissance started (which was around the time the Alpha bodies became viable as pro tools), I've hoped Sony would hook up with one of the brands to license lens designs. I know Sony's got Zeiss on their team, but like you said, they need modern, competitively-priced lenses. Tamron's new 70-200 allegedly nips at the heels of both the Canon and Nikon versions, for half the price. Sigma's 120-300 f2.8 is, by most accounts, worthy of pro use. And of course, both Sigma and Tamron's new line of primes and even many zooms are all highly-praised.

If Sony...Show more →

Sony's been rebranding Tamron designs since the Minolta days. Most notably the A-mount 17-35 & 28-75, but a number of others as well.

Apr 19, 2017 at 12:59 PM

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