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Can anyone give a suggestion on the backpack that can carry moderate to heavy gears?

I was carrying my sony a7r ii + 35/2 + 55/1.8 + 18/2.8 + filters/rings + tripod/head, Rode microphone, water bottle, extra batteries on my LowePro fast pack 250 and at the end of the day, my neck was sored like hell.

In comparison, I can carry a much more heavy load on my backpacking Osprey atmos AG 50, and can't feel anything after a long hike

https://www.ospreypacks.com/us/en/product/atmos-ag-50-ATMOS50_303.html

I could put my gears in this Osprey atmos AG 50, but the bag is too tall for carry-ons for demotic flights.

So I am looking for something that can handle heavy load as ease, and can be had as carry-on.
It would be fun to post photos of your camera bags/backpacks here too

thanks
hskb.

P.S. 05/31/17
Just ordered Think Tank naked shape shifter V2

https://www.thinktankphoto.com//collections/shape-shifter

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=think+tank+naked+shape+shifter+v2

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Feb 07, 2017 at 12:13 PM

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hsk06 wrote:
Can anyone give a suggestion on the backpack that can carry moderate to heavy gears?

I was carrying my sony a7r ii + 35/2 + 55/1.8 + 18/2.8 + filters/rings + tripod/head, Rode microphone, water bottle, extra batteries on my LowePro fast pack 250 and at the end of the day, my neck was sored like hell.

In comparison, I can carry a much more heavy load on my backpacking Osprey atmos AG 50, and can't feel anything after a long hike

https://www.ospreypacks.com/us/en/product/atmos-ag-50-ATMOS50_303.html

I could put my gears in this Osprey atmos AG 50, but the bag is too tall for carry-ons for...Show more →

I use the Lowepro Photo Sport for travel. I do have some criticisms, mostly nitpicks, but generally I really like it. The thing I like most about it is that the hip belt is actually functional -- the load actually gets carried there rather than by your shoulders (like a good backpack is supposed to do but most packs fail to accomplish, especially small packs). I have the smaller 200 model. I'm 6'/183cm.

I haven't tried the larger 300 model, but I've overloaded the hell out of the small one. When traveling, I typically put a foam camera bag insert in the main compartment for a second body/more lense(s). You'll need to do something like that with the 200 to fit in one of the lenses in your listed equipment somewhere other than the handy camera side compartment -- all that won't fit in there, but your a7rii with any one of your lenses (mounted) plus any one other of your lenses should fit fine. Not sure about the 300 and your gear list. It's not just what will fit, but also how easily you want your gear to be accessed on the fly. If you're willing to stow the camera without a lens, you might even find some way to pile everything inside the camera box of the 300. Once I'm off the plane and at my destination, I prefer to have my camera out and around my neck, ready for instant use, and I use the camera compartment as just a lens box. In that configuration, I believe that any 2 of your listed lenses will easily fit in the camera box, which would give you fast and easy lens change access.

Good product.

Feb 07, 2017 at 01:19 PM

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I use my Osprey Tallon 22 for travel with my gear. It will hold you current equipment with room for other things. I use body and lens wraps. Never had shoulder or neck pains.

Use to use F-stop and Lowepro photo packs...never again. They lack adequate support systems and put all the weight right onto your shoulders and neck.

Feb 07, 2017 at 02:14 PM

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chez wrote:
I use my Osprey Tallon 22 for travel with my gear. It will hold you current equipment with room for other things. I use body and lens wraps. Never had shoulder or neck pains.

Use to use F-stop and Lowepro photo packs...never again. They lack adequate support systems and put all the weight right onto your shoulders and neck.

I just had a look at the Tallon 22 on the Osprey website but there are no interior pictures. This, plus the fact that you use body and lens wraps, implies that the bag has a single compartment. Does that mean one is trading the convenience of a conventional photo pack for the better support provided by a hiking pack?

Feb 07, 2017 at 04:44 PM

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Chez, yes I have the Osprey Tallon 22 for light hiking. It's good one, but not in the same league as the AG system in the Atmos.

Osprey packs are designed for hiking and the like, so one has to have some protection on the gear before putting them in the pack.
In my case, I have my gears in the Thinktank toploader, and skin baggies before I put them in the Osprey packs. This is one of the reasons I am looking for a backpack that have decent padding, and also comfort to wear.

For better comfort, you might want to look at the Osprey manta ag 36.
https://www.ospreypacks.com/us/en/product/manta-ag-36-MANTA36.html
It has the similar Anti-Gravity design as the Atmos AG 50,
but in a smaller package: 22h x 15w x 13d in -- ok for most airline Carry-On.

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Feb 07, 2017 at 04:54 PM

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Parariss,
maybe the Lowepro Photo Sport BP 300 AW II is what I really need (10.6 x 9.4 x 22.0").
I will take a serious look at this one.
thanks for your input.
hskb.

Feb 07, 2017 at 05:09 PM

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Take a look t the Mindshift packs. I use the 30L. I like that I can adjust the torso height and it carries a ton of gear (tho not as much as the 40L!) and has a well thought out feature set.

Feb 08, 2017 at 08:04 AM

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Peak design 30L.

Feb 08, 2017 at 08:16 AM

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Using the Peak Design 20. Love it

Feb 08, 2017 at 08:35 AM

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I'll offer another perspective, based on my own recent search. My goals were somewhat similar to yours, except that I have no interest in travelling (flying) with a one-bag carry-on solution. But like you, I was finding that my shoulder bags were causing shoulder, neck and lower back pain after a day of use, due to whatever weight I was carrying being on one pressure point. And most of the time, I only carry the A7rII with a couple of prime lenses & accessories, nothing compared to what many people lug around.

It seems that the reason that the better hiking packs allow flexibility to determine how much weight is supported by the hips vs. the shoulders is the use of rigid frame materials in the back of the pack. Without this rigidity, you can have the most generous waist belt around, but most of the weight will still be carried on the shoulders.

It seems that there are very few camera-specific backpacks that have this feature. I would hope that the Lowepro mentioned above does, but I haven't seen any reference to it.

For my own priorities, I chose a Mindshift rotation180 Panorama 22L. Most or all of the Mindshift packs use a light weight plastic "frame" sewn into the back to provide this rigidity. I'm not assuming that this pack has enough capacity for you, but Mindshift makes other models, including ones without the rotating waist belt feature.

I spend much more time in urban environments than wilderness, and easy access with the pack on is highly important to me.

These were my priorities, in order of descending importance (yours will undoubtedly be different):

1. Easy access while wearing the pack (don't want to be forced to take the pack off, or put it down for access);
2. Light weight (The Panorama 22L is 2.9 lbs., other Mindshift pack are also relatively light for their capacity);
3. Control over how much weight is supported by the hips vs. the shoulders;
4. Adequate (for my needs) capacity in the waist belt vs. the top rear section (I can easily fit the camera with one lens plus a 2nd moderately sized lens in the waist belt storage area). If I want to carry bigger lenses (e.g. 70-200/4), I can put those in the top section, with or without the optional padded organizer that fits there;
5. Anything stored in the top section is easily accessed without removing the pack by keeping the waist belt buckled, slipping the shoulder straps off, and rotating the entire pack around your waist so that it's in front of you.

If I need to carry, say (3) lenses plus non-gear related stuff in the top section, I just protect the 3rd lens in a neoprene pouch, leaving quite a bit of extra space for other things.

The cons of the rotating waist belt design seem to be as follows:

1. Limited gear space in the waist belt pouch (although I know a pro who uses the larger rotation 180 pack, he can put much larger or more equipment in the waist pouch area, he uses a D810-based kit);
2. When the pack is off, it's a little awkward to access your camera compared to when you're wearing the pack, but not so bad that it's a deal-breaker, if you value the other benefits.

I'm giving myself an alternative in this regard, as I've ordered the optional insert for the top section. I see myself using the insert for airline travel to a destination, but then leaving the insert and any lenses that I don't wish to carry on a given day in a hotel safe.

Anyway, perhaps my selection process will resonate with others. As said many times, there is no one ideal carrying solution.

Brian

Feb 08, 2017 at 08:50 AM

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I have the Peak Design 20L as a carry all, but for getting in and out of, changing lenses, etc., a backpack has real limitations, as nice as it is. For ultimate access and comfort, I like waist mounted systems. Currently I have a Think Tank Hubba Hubba Hiney and their Thin Skin belt which is big enough for one body, 16-35, 35 2.8, 55 1.8, and B85 comfortably. If you needed more space the belt would be able to have additional modular pouches added. If the waist belt needs more support for comfort, you can also add shoulder harnesses to distribute the load over one or both shoulders.

It certainly doesn't look as cool as the Peak Design bag, but it's quite a bit nicer in actual use for accessing gear and changing lenses safely. Changing lenses with the PD is awkward if you want to keep the bag on while doing it. Think Tank also has a Change Up bag that can be worn across one shoulder or both, with or without a belt, with no other accessories needed. It's a bit bigger than the HHH which might be good for your needs.

Feb 08, 2017 at 09:23 AM

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tylerdurden801 wrote
It certainly doesn't look as cool as the Peak Design bag, but it's quite a bit nicer in actual use for accessing gear and changing lenses safely. Changing lenses with the PD is awkward if you want to keep the bag on while doing it. Think Tank also has a Change Up bag that can be worn across one shoulder or both, with or without a belt, with no other accessories needed. It's a bit bigger than the HHH which might be good for your needs.

PD offers capture clips to change len or hold the camera with ease, but we have to pay more.

Feb 08, 2017 at 09:35 AM

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Blueshound wrote:
I'll offer another perspective, based on my own recent search. My goals were somewhat similar to yours, except that I have no interest in travelling (flying) with a one-bag carry-on solution. But like you, I was finding that my shoulder bags were causing shoulder, neck and lower back pain after a day of use, due to whatever weight I was carrying being on one pressure point. And most of the time, I only carry the A7rII with a couple of prime lenses & accessories, nothing compared to what many people lug around.

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Brian, any thoughts on whether this pack is too big for road cycling? I love the idea of the rotation but I don't want it to be too bulky if cycling 50 miles a day for several days. I'm not camping but I'll need to carry some extra cycling gear, snacks, phone, etc. I looked at the smaller 16L and the rotation pack might not be big enough for the camera/lens. Thoughts?

Feb 08, 2017 at 09:47 AM

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Brian, any thoughts on whether this pack is too big for road cycling? I love the idea of the rotation but I don't want it to be too bulky if cycling 50 miles a day for several days. I'm not camping but I'll need to carry some extra cycling gear, snacks, phone, etc. I looked at the smaller 16L and the rotation pack might not be big enough for the camera/lens. Thoughts?

When I ordered the Panorama 22L from B&H, I also ordered the rotation 16L so that I could compare them side by side. You can analyze so much from specs, but there's no substitute for hands on. So I received both, and had a great basis for comparison.

My immediate and most relevant note was that the waist pack with the 16L was too small for the camera & lenses that I consider my highest priorities. I want to be able to have the A7rII with such lenses as the 55/1.8, Batis 25/2 or perhaps, at the extreme, the Batis 18 mounted, then with one of those spare in the same waist pouch.

The 16L waist pouch is, IMO, a bit too small for that, unless you're OK to limit lenses to nothing larger than, say, the 55/1.8. I think it would be better suited to a kit based around the a6300, a6500 & APS-C lenses.

Sidebar: before ordering, I spoke to Mindshift. The agent told me that the 16L came about because the owner wanted the smallest, lightest pack possible for the A7rII and no more than (2) lenses, and the 16L is what he primarily uses for cycling, etc. (I'm going from memory of the conversation.)

No, I don't think the 22L is too big for road cycling, unless you're a pretty small guy. (I'm only 5'8" myself.) From memory, I think the biggest dimensional difference is that the 22L is just slightly wider overall than the 16L, but certainly not unusually wide, and not as wide as many other photo backpacks.

Re: both the 16L or the Panorama 22L, I had a bit of an epiphany when I realized how easy it is to rotate the entire pack around to your front, and thereby access the top front sections. On the 22L there are actually two zippered sections on the top front, one the main, larger area, and a smaller pocket that's better suited to smaller, flatter items, e.g. an SD card wallet, documents, passport, etc.

So some might feel that, given the option to access the top front section as well without taking the pack off, that the waist belt capacity will do.

I picked the 22L as the safer choice, though.

Hope this helps!

Brian

Feb 08, 2017 at 10:09 AM

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^ Excellent summary . . . thank you. I would consider using my A6300 with 16-35/4 and hope to bring one or two small primes like the CV15/4.5 and Zeiss 85/4 ZM. Or I could just go with primes but having a zoom for this application makes more sense. If I decide to go heavy with the A7r2 and 24-70GM, I imagine the 22L would be necessary. Thanks again!

Feb 08, 2017 at 10:23 AM

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I don't have the aforementioned Ospreys, but I have other Osprey packs and love their stuff. They make great backpacks, probably better than any camera pack. The trouble (for me) is that general purpose backpacks aren't great camera bags -- none I've yet seen, anyway. If you don't need on-the-fly camera access, however, you don't really need a camera bag, so save your back and your money and get an Osprey or some such.

I also love Peak Design's stuff, and I own a sampling of most of their product line at this point. The Peak Design backpack looks absolutely stellar at gear access. It was not available when I bought my Lowepro Photo Sport 200. Based solely on the product video and my positive past experiences with Peak Design, I fully expect that to be a great option...Except for that hip belt. I've never, ever seen a straight fabric hip belt like that that did anything more than a token amount of load bearing. For a backpack to carry a heavy load well without fatigue, the hip belt has to be structural, and seat belt ribbons just aren't. You also need some kind of frame-like rigidity that's attached to that hip belt, as was just pointed out. The Lowepro doesn't have an internal hard frame, but it does have very dense foam in the back plate that does the same thing -- you couldn't 'frame' a 60 liter expedition pack with that stuff, but it's stiff enough for this job.

I'm able to carry my a7rii, 2470GM, a6300, Batis 85, 10-18, 70-300G, skinny laptop (in the dromedary compartment where it actually *aids* structural rigidity), a small tablet, chargers/ wires/ batteries/ accessories, and non-camera incidentals, all on my hips with loose shoulder straps that simply keep the pack from flopping over backwards away from my body (that's for airplane travel; it'd be a miserable load to schlep daily, and nothing would be easily accessible).

One of my nits is that the hip belt is not repositionable along the vertical axis. That's why I gave you my body height -- it fits me great, but it might not fit you. Relatedly, the hip belt isn't removable. When I'm carrying lighter loads and/or swinging the bag around to switch gear a lot, I don't want to fasten the hip belt, and it becomes extraneous. I'd love a Peak Design pack for days like that -- gear access looks absolutely great. (Thanks a helluva lot for the GAS, gang; yeah, I really needed that!...)

Now I'm worried that I'm overselling the Lowepro, so I'll include what I don't like below. It reads like a lot, because I've had a lot of backpacks and have a lot of opinions about them, but in my mind these are all just nitpick compared to load-bearing capability.

Good luck in your lifelong quest for the perfect bag!

Desired Improvements:
1) Detachable/repositionable hip belt and mesh back plate (but what they did works ok).

2) Top pocket should be larger, and I can hardly get my hand inside the zippered opening to fish stuff out. Interior side pocket is too small, and it's also so skinny it's hard to fit in anything much thicker than a filter box - the mesh there needs slack. Add a second, opposing interior pouch (dorsal interior).

3) Dromedary bag pocket is too slim/doesn't expand /puts pressure on the bag /would increase likelihood of a leak /only accepts a small water bag, anyway. Make it wider, and it's a better laptop compartment, anyway. External pouch pocket is also too narrow for a water bottle, and it's insufficiently elasticated (it'll hold only a 500-750ml bottle, depending on shape).

4) Buckles, straps, and cinches are a bit over engineered - it's not a heavy pack, so it's not really a problem, but some elements seem extraneous. Relatedly, there's a 4 buckle exterior suspensioning / top cover system that seemingly could have been done with 2 buckles. But, using 4, they did a smart thing with some buckles and made them orange (others black) to make it easier to find the right buckle - except that only the male buckles were made orange and every other buckle is black instead of orange-to-orange and black-to-black, so the color ends up being no help at all. Also, invert one set of buckles so the only way it's even possible to connect them is the right way. Or, just do it with 2 buckles plus straps.

5) Main compartment has a way for little things to get lost deep at the bottom - the upside to that design is that you might be able to put a skinny tripod or something tall entirely inside (if you don't use the exterior pouch). Seal off the upper compartment and close it via velcro - best of both worlds. This will also take central compartment load off the camera box, which sometimes gets squeezed, making it harder to get your camera out. Also, the camera box compression bungee really doesn't seem to do anything useful in real life.

6) Camera compartment interior needs to be all felt so you can put the partition anywhere. As it is, there's only a narrow band you can stick the thing.

7) "Lowepro" is permanently and prominently stamped on the bag. Stitch it on so I can cut off the big "steal me" sign.

[Hope Lowepro reads this.]

Feb 08, 2017 at 10:28 AM

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I've been happy with my F-Stop Loka, now discontinued and replaced with the Ajna. The suspension isn't as good as a dedicated hiking backpack, but the combination of the internal aluminum frame and straps allows me to get most weight on my hips. The problem with these internal frame photo backpacks is that they only come in one size, so your torso has to be built to match the pack.

I also picked up an F-stop Kenti used on the cheap, and it doesn't fit me nearly as well. The fit discrepancy is even greater once I include a water bladder for hikes, as it forces teh Kenti padded back to bulge out into my back. It's easier to carry on a flight, but otherwise a strongly prefer the Loka. The Loka and Ajna can be easily cinched down to look small, and I've never been questioned when bringing it on a US domestic flight. Be forewarned that the Loka barely clears the overhead baggage compartment when loaded in the "long way". Either of those two packs would be sufficient to carry your gear.

I say all this coming from a Think Tank Streetwalker Pro HD backpack, one of many iterations of the same basic camera backpack design similar to your fastpack. These are okay to haul around in an airport, on a train, etc. but are painful to wear all day long.

Feb 08, 2017 at 10:34 AM

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Jacky5555 wrote:
PD offers capture clips to change len or hold the camera with ease, but we have to pay more.

I have one, but I don't see how that helps. First, the most irritating part of the design is that there's no really good place to attach it. The hydration tube retainer is located too far up the strap to be used for the Capture (I mean, you could, but your camera would look like a parrot on your shoulder) and by making the sternum strap have three adjustable levels, they couldn't fit another retainer strap lower on the shoulder strap that would actually be comfortable and not look silly. You can put the Capture around the entire strap if you want, but you need to buy two $10 goddamn extension screws to fit it around something that thick, and then you have the possibility of the Capture poking your tit or your shoulder or both over a long day because you now have hard metal behind your padding.

OK, so why not use the waist belt? Because it's flimsy and you'd need to disconnect the camera from the Capture in order to get into either side or risk it just flapping about. Furthermore, I'm not sure how the Capture even helps if it did have a good attachment point (pro-tip, you can string the sternum strap vertically on the shoulder strap and attach the Capture down low on the now-vertical sternum strap, it's the best way I've found and it actually fairly comfortable and seems stable if you're willing to forego the use of the sternum strap as a sternum strap) because wherever you've put the Capture, it's not going to eliminate the need to turn the whole damn thing sideways on the front of you to get into the bag safely and now where the hell is your camera? If you've attached the Capture on the left shoulder strap and you're trying to get into the right side of the bag, your Capture is inaccessible while you're digging through the bag.

Sorry, I really wanted this to be the last bag I ever bought, I fell for their hype videos so hard, but for me it's a rather imperfect but pretty thing to be seen wearing and isn't great for really active shooting.

I really like the Capture, but not with that bag, not by a long shot. I use a Think Tank sling bag for light duty shooting (fits the same gear as the aforementioned HHH) and the Capture works really excellently with the strap on that, perfect access on the hip while you're walking, and the camera slides around into perfect lens changing position when you've slid it around you to access the inside.

/rant

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Feb 08, 2017 at 10:37 AM

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tylerdurden801 wrote:
I have the Peak Design 20L as a carry all, but for getting in and out of, changing lenses, etc., a backpack has real limitations, as nice as it is. For ultimate access and comfort, I like waist mounted systems. Currently I have a Think Tank Hubba Hubba Hiney and their Thin Skin belt which is big enough for one body, 16-35, 35 2.8, 55 1.8, and B85 comfortably. If you needed more space the belt would be able to have additional modular pouches added. If the waist belt needs more support for comfort, you can also add shoulder harnesses...Show more →

I have paired the HHH and a couple of skins pouches on the Think Tank belts. Definitely the easiest rig to work out of, only problem being that my wife practically refused to walk next to me when we visited Paris due to the aesthetic! The HHH is still my go to shoulder bag for small kits. I only with that the loops for the strap attachment were a little more robust. Mine are just starting to fray after several years of use.

Sometimes I wish for a bit more room, and I'm thinking of picking up a Peak Design Sling so I can carry two A7 bodies with lenses mounted, a couple extra small lenses, and other bits of kit.

Feb 08, 2017 at 10:37 AM

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Oh swell... more cool products I hadn't seen.
I hate this thread.

Feb 08, 2017 at 11:09 AM

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