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OK, another outing filled with OK shots. I really don't know what to work on. I would think that if you took 200 shots of these birds, 2 or 3 would be really good just due to the law of averages. But, another set of nothing that wows me like many of the best shots here do. I honestly don't know if it is:
1. Not understanding proper technique and use of my gear
2. Not shooting in the best light
3. Not picking good subject matter

All of the above?
What do you see wrong here. Nothing seems really sharp and nothing really pops. What should I have done differently here?
Thank you for any thoughts!
Greg





















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Nov 06, 2016 at 07:18 PM
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Hi Greg !

The exif is not with the files. That would definitely help to see what might be going on.

As a general statement, the crops are a bit tight making your subject feel as if it is in the center of the frame.
Try and give the subject room to "fly into " or "look into".

However, other than the first shot, I do not see the lack of sharpness.

I took the liberty of working on the second shot . What I did might help address some of the issues.

1. Gave the bird more room to fly into plus takes the bird out of the center of the frame. ( I added canvas)
2. Noise reduction on the background only
3. Increased contrast in the midtones
4. Selective sharpening around the eye only
5. Did some cloning to reduce the stark brown spot behind the bird. This is a matter of personal preference as is most of this

Camera technique and subject matter aside, post processing can definitely help an image.

If you can add the exif info , I'm sure others will chime in.

I am not sure what camera and lens combo you used. Yesterday I went out the the D500 and 200-500. I had not shot it or handheld it in months. Yesterday , I did both. At first I had my shutter speed set between 1000 to 1200. Chimping, I noticed the shots were not very sharp. I had to bump my shutter speed to 1/2000 to get the images to be sharper. My ability to handhold at slower speeds seems to have decreased due to lack of use. Just something for you to think about. I came home and deleted MANY shots. It happens to all of us .

I don't think there are any bad subjects so I do not believe the subject has anything to do with what you are feeling. Some subjects may not be as exotic or as exciting as others , but no really bad subjects. If you can get the subject in some sort of behavior, feeding , flying , preening, etc., it can make the shot more dynamic . If a perched shot, wonderful backgrounds /foregrounds always help.

If you can , please put the exif up .

I will gladly take down my redo , if you wish.

The set is not anywhere near as bad as you feel , believe me.













Nov 06, 2016 at 08:03 PM
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Hi Greg,

I agree with Roberta. I don't see any pritty light and I'm not seeing shadows so I'm wondering about time of day. If you are putting the sun behind you with your shadow pointing at the subject this can also result in flat images. Some sidelight or backlight can make your images much more dramatic. As Roberta pointed out, processing can make a big difference. I don't put a lot of time into processing most of what you see me post, I do address the issues Roberta talks about. I try and nail my exposures yet sometimes miss and adjust in post.

Realize that there are some incredible photographers on this site with decades of experience. Our instincts are going to allow us to pull off photos that others are not ready for. Look at your own work from the past. Are you improving? Are you taking some special images? Keep practicing and do ask as you have. Put up one image with exif and ask what might make it come out better. Hear the advice and rate it. Some may be super and other advice may be correct yet something you are not willing to do and that's OK. Have fun and enjoy nature and photography.

Morris



Nov 06, 2016 at 08:24 PM
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I also have worked on the GBH :

So many directions to go with this one, but here is just one idea.

1. Added canvas to give more room at the top and on the right. ( Don't look closely at my quick cloning)
2. Noise reduction on the background only.
3. Selective sharpening on the eye only.
4. Did a small bit of blur on the top to try and reduce those dark lines. Again , personal preference.
5. Did a levels adjustment on the bird only to make it brighter .
6. Did a levels adjustment on the background only - I did darker and lighter. I think I prefer the lighter one so went with that. You can play with and see which one you feel gives a bit of separation of the bird from the background.
7. Did Topaz color Effects Pro - Darken /Lighten Center filter. Lighten the bird just a bit more.

Also, one thing I did not mention, if these are large crops, that will reduce the sharpness and detail. Time of day , harsh midday light will suck all the color out of everything . Cloudy days can be wonderful . Early morning and evening light can be a pure joy .

As time goes on and you practice more and more, issues of light on the subject, background detail, attractive perches, poses, etc . start to become second nature. When that happens , you start to see more than just the subject, but a picture you want to capture. Take the time to enjoy and have fun . I am still learning every time I go out .

Again, will take this down if you wish.

Birdie







Nov 06, 2016 at 08:30 PM
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PLEASE, take nothing down!!! This is exactly the help I am looking for and needing and APPRECIATE! It has been a bit of a long weekend....an 8 hour drive to and 8 hour drive back from a funeral :-(. A close friend lost his Mother and sister a day apart last week and those come 7 months after losing his father. He is of course grief stricken. He is one of the most intelligent individuals I have ever known and that means his head is very full right now. OK, a bit of venting but I wanted to explain why I won't try to go through the wonderful and detailed post left by two of the nicest individuals on FM tonight. But, I certainly will and I want to thank you now!
Sincerely,
Greg



Nov 06, 2016 at 09:54 PM
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If you are concerned that your are not getting sharp images it may be due to the focus point not being where you want it. I use the "Show Focus Points" Lightroom plugin to see whether and where the camera achieved focus. If you don't already use the plugin you may want to give it a try.
Dave



Nov 06, 2016 at 10:35 PM
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Greg, have you done a micro focus adjustment (MFA) (not sure if there is a different term for Nikons) for your lenses on your bodies? It may make the difference between an adequate photo and a really sharp one, especially for fur and feathers, which seem require the extra bit of sharpness to really stand out.




Nov 07, 2016 at 12:40 AM
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Hi rxgolf. All of us here are still learning. It is a journey not a destination.

You have gotten some great advice on post-processing already. These will help turn a "5" into a "6", or maybe a "7", but not into a "10". For that, you need to capture stronger images.

Here are a few of my thoughts, things that I am working on too:

* Watch your backgrounds. Only your shot #2 has what I would consider a reasonably good background. You typically want nice mushy blur, with a some variation, but not enough to be distracting. To get that molten look, try to increase the distance between the bird and the BG. Some foreground content (perch, etc) is fine, and can add to the shot, but you don't want clutter. To do this, you will need to choose your vantage point and shot angle with an eye toward achieving separation between subject and background and avoid including distracting elements. Shooting with the widest possible aperture setting will help create background blur, but is not as important as shooting the subject against a distant background.

* Shoot in better light. The last shot, for example, looks like it was shot in overcast conditions, and as a result the image looks a bit flat and gray. Try to shoot later or earlier in the day, with a clear sun lower in the sky, behind you. The light will be warmer, and will illuminate the subject with fewer shadows and less glare. Highlights will have more detail. This won't always be possible, but it will help your shots a lot when you can shoot in those conditions.

* Your shots do not appear as sharp as they might be. In part, this may be due to the light (see above). In my experience, razor-sharp shots are harder to get when the sun is overhead and there is glare, or when the sky is overcast. In any event, take multiple shots to maximize your chance of getting some really sharp ones. No AF system is perfect.

*Other things: a fast shutter speed helps sharpness. Try to get 1/2000 if you can. 1/1200 is a minimum in my experience for decent BIF sharpness, but if the subject is flying fast, you will want faster. For still birds, if you have image stabilization, you can sometimes go as low as 1/250, but 1/500 will typically produce better results. Microadjust your lens/camera combo if you have the capability of doing so.

* Keep practicing! And check out the threads on this board, very many of which display amazingly fine work. See how the posters handle backgrounds, look where the light is coming from, what shutter speeds and apertures are used, how the shot is framed, etc.

Cheers!

Tim



Nov 07, 2016 at 12:08 PM
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Greg, would it be possible to share some of the RAWs of your shots? Perhaps I (or others) can play around with them to see how much of a role processing has to play in the final result.



Nov 07, 2016 at 01:56 PM
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Roberta, it is like you could see me shooting. I am sorry EXIF was not there as I was too tired to think so I did not. I too was shooting the d500 and Nikon 200-500. From what you explained, my shutter speed was too low for my hand holding ability. My next trip will be with a monopod to eliminate part of that problem. These are heavy crops so as you said problems with technique were magnified and the files challenged. Also as you said I cropped too tight once again magnifying my problems and taking away from the shot. Thank you for the detailed message and working on my pics. You are very much appreciated!! I will read closer your other points and because of them I might just get better :-).
Sincerely,
Greg



Nov 07, 2016 at 06:23 PM
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morris wrote:
Hi Greg,

I agree with Roberta. I don't see any pritty light and I'm not seeing shadows so I'm wondering about time of day. If you are putting the sun behind you with your shadow pointing at the subject this can also result in flat images. Some sidelight or backlight can make your images much more dramatic. As Roberta pointed out, processing can make a big difference. I don't put a lot of time into processing most of what you see me post, I do address the issues Roberta talks about. I try and nail my exposures yet sometimes miss and
...Show more

Morris, I think your last paragraph was dead on and very well written. There are a lot of amazing photographers here that kill it every day. I will keep trying(last night I was ready to quit) and hopefully learning and I will always try to remember your last and most important point.... have fun and enjoy nature and taking pics!
Thanks for the great advice!
Greg



Nov 07, 2016 at 06:28 PM
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birdied wrote:
I also have worked on the GBH :

So many directions to go with this one, but here is just one idea.

1. Added canvas to give more room at the top and on the right. ( Don't look closely at my quick cloning)
2. Noise reduction on the background only.
3. Selective sharpening on the eye only.
4. Did a small bit of blur on the top to try and reduce those dark lines. Again , personal preference.
5. Did a levels adjustment on the bird only to make it brighter .
6. Did a levels adjustment on the background only - I did darker and
...Show more

Thank you so much for your detailed work flow. I needed to see that. I have seen you post pics that are crazy good and seeing what steps you take is valuable to me!!!
Sincerely,
Greg




Nov 07, 2016 at 06:31 PM
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dclark wrote:
If you are concerned that your are not getting sharp images it may be due to the focus point not being where you want it. I use the "Show Focus Points" Lightroom plugin to see whether and where the camera achieved focus. If you don't already use the plugin you may want to give it a try.
Dave


Thank you Dave! I admire your work and I will download that tonight. That will be fun and informative !
Thanks again for your time!
Greg



Nov 07, 2016 at 06:34 PM
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Tim, more great advice and you put an explanation point on the basics I need to pay way more attention to:
Background
Shutter speed
Light

Thank you!!
Greg






Nov 07, 2016 at 06:37 PM
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Scrumhalf wrote:
Greg, would it be possible to share some of the RAWs of your shots? Perhaps I (or others) can play around with them to see how much of a role processing has to play in the final result.


I would love to.
How could I do that? Files are pretty large.
Thank you Sir!
Greg




Nov 07, 2016 at 06:39 PM
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Dropbox or other similar sites.

Here are a few options...

http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/how-to/storage/how-send-large-files-free-email-big-photos-3509067/



Nov 07, 2016 at 07:42 PM
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Id like to add, watch how much you crop with this lens. I find its not the greatest at big crops. Ive been taking Birdied's advice and have not been cropping so tight and i like my images alot better now.

Aldo



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Except for the first shot I don't see any OOF images. They are all in focus and the exposure looks good. Now if you want to see the fine detail of feathers than you need to get closer. There is a saying: "If your pictures aren't good enough you are not close enough". However considering that these are heavy crops I don't think you could do much better capturing these shots. Some shortcoming from the capture could be addressed in PP that should be an integral part in the image making process but remember that light makes photography.
The bg in the first shot is not supporting the subject and its eyes are OOF, so the image doesn't grab the viewer. The BG is another element that makes the image. While the sharpness of the shot is made by the sharpness of the subject's Eye. Look what difference makes in your shot below a blurred bg. Of course you need to achieve that with your Camera not in PP. Mine is just for demonstration of the difference.
The second image is good. The subject is well isolated from the bg and is in focus. Just don't ignore composition in your work. The Rule of Third is a good start.
The third shot is the one that looks the sharpest and also the composition is good. The problem with that shot is the sky that is green and there is some visible noise. That makes the viewer not comfortable (a green sky!) and deteriorates the IQ of the image. A few adjustment in PP can get rid of those problems and get a more pleasant image. Below you can see the results I got but the capture is yours..
The last one could have been improved with a simple change of the point of view. Getting low would have made a difference creating a more intimate photograph and achieving a better isolation of the subject.
I don't know how long you have been shooting wildlife, but my first 5.000 wildlife shots looked pretty bad
Socrate













Nov 08, 2016 at 03:44 PM
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Perhaps try shooting at the "golden" hours. Dawn and Dusk when you have that dreamy light you can't do on a computer.





Nov 08, 2016 at 07:11 PM
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I think #1 is a striking "pose" despite its softness. I bet there is a way to process it so it emphasizes the arresting visuals of that pose tho it will no longer look natural.

otherwise, I agree with all the above - take more siestas in between your early & late shooting times



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