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Hello all!

I am starting a new project where I hope to shoot a series of environmental photographs of people doing what they love. My brother has many interests, but tends to enjoy a quiet evening by the fire. So I thought it would be cool to capture an image of him doing just that. C&C always welcome.

Best,

-Patrick







Jun 13, 2016 at 11:31 PM
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RbrtPtikLeoSen wrote:
...environmental photographs of people doing what they love...


The fire is so little of the image it doesn't convey this to me. On top of it the chair in the foreground is blocking part of it.



Jun 14, 2016 at 06:56 PM
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j.curtis wrote:
The fire is so little of the image it doesn't convey this to me. On top of it the chair in the foreground is blocking part of it.


Valid points! Thank you for the critique.



Jun 14, 2016 at 07:01 PM
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Good morning Patrick,

I spent a few minutes rearranging the light and color just to offer a few thoughts. Please folks, eyes and minds on the concept, not my hack LR edits - though they did result in a rather sooty look on the face which fits the idea I suppose


Introduction and disclaimer aside, it's a nice shot Patrick, but for me not entirely concept-centric given your description.

What I see is an off-camera-lit shot of a guy poking at a fire. I see a lot of negative space that I would generally like but largely because of the background chair I wasn't sure if the negative space added or detracted. I see color temperature conflicts that diffuse the "fire" feel - i.e. the strongest color input is from the flash and thus cool, not warm.


What I wanted to see was the fire more prominent and in this case, to me, that meant a warmer image and the glow from the fire being the primary light source. Obviously I couldn't completely change the direction of the flash fill but I tried to illustrate the idea of the fire's glow being the obvious key light.

Side note that in reality, that may have resulted in a "ghoul face" if he was only lit from below so some measure of OCF fill may have been necessary - albeit dialed down and probably gelled warmer to match the fire color temp.


One cooler temperature lighting element in the original image that I think does work beautifully is the rim lighting on his back and the back of his head. To me it feels like moonlit edges and depth. Very credible and fitting.


The chair in the front-left doesn't bother me at all. For me, the chair in the background is just visual distraction. No biggie but I don't think it helps the image.


I did try a tighter crop which may (in concert with a lot of color and glow modification) put more emphasis on your brother and on the fire, but were the other chair not there, I may have left it alone.


Cheers,

Chuck








Jun 18, 2016 at 04:13 AM
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nolaguy wrote:
Good morning Patrick,

I spent a few minutes rearranging the light and color just to offer a few thoughts. Please folks, eyes and minds on the concept, not my hack LR edits - though they did result in a rather sooty look on the face which fits the idea I suppose

Introduction and disclaimer aside, it's a nice shot Patrick, but for me not entirely concept-centric given your description.

What I see is an off-camera-lit shot of a guy poking at a fire. I see a lot of negative space that I would generally like but largely because of the background chair
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Thank you Chuck for this critique and I appreciate the advice! I am going to take a second crack at the image in light of your insight. Much appreciated!

-Patrick



Jun 18, 2016 at 11:56 AM
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RbrtPtikLeoSen wrote:
Thank you Chuck for this critique and I appreciate the advice! I am going to take a second crack at the image in light of your insight. Much appreciated!


Well it wasn't intended to be advice and I'm not at all sure it qualifies as insight but if it provides another set of eyes and ideas, then I'm pleased.

Depending upon how you go about the "second crack at it" you may find you need a higher ISO and/or accepting some blur in the flames and even more streaking of the airborne sparks/embers as you slow your shutter speed to compensate for the reduced flash. I think both could be appealing. Pick up a little grain here, a little more sense of motion there - it's a really nice concept you have and I would just play around with it to see what happens.

And if you wind up opening the aperture for the same reasons and end up with a much shallower depth of field, I'd try shots both focusing on your brother (blurred flames) and focusing on the fire "plane" (blurred brother). For the latter you may need to put something artificial in the fire plane to lock your focus onto - a stake in the ground maybe, that you focus on then recompose - just position it against the background in such a way that you can easily clone it out later.


Thanks for your kind words and have fun with it.

Chuck



Jun 18, 2016 at 04:00 PM
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Liking the original photo, well done and thanks for sharing.


Jun 19, 2016 at 08:53 PM
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+ 2 on liking the original


Jun 20, 2016 at 12:30 PM
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definitely like the original image... very nicely done


Jun 20, 2016 at 04:34 PM





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