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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · 1DX mark II pushed 6EV - comparison to other cameras

I had an opportunity to briefly play with preproduction 1DX mark II and get some RAW images with me home...
So, here is it! The most anticipated photo taken with the 1DX mark II - THE REAR CAP PHOTO at ISO100!

Anyway on slightly more serious note, I compared it to my little collection of rear cap photos, namely 1D mark III, 1D mark IV, 1Ds mark III, 1DX and Sony A7.

First the good news, 1DXII is best Canon camera I've tested till this time, in this demanding discipline, hurray!

Well, time for the bad news, it's still worse than Sony A7 < ISO400...

My observations:
- 1DXII is finally able to beat my long time Canon ISO100 favorite, the 1D mark III from 2007
- It's interesting to examine the "full" images, which when resized, nicely shows the different noise patterns
- at ISO100, A7 noise is lower than 1DXII, but Canon noise is slightly "finer" in my eyes
- in "full" images is interesting to look at current leaks (I hope it's the right designation). 1DsIII starts at ISO200, 1DIII and A7 starts at ISO400, 1DIV at ISO800 and 1DX shows some at ISO3200
- 1DXII shows absolutely NO PATTERN at any ISO
- at ISO3200 1DX looks cleaner at 100%, but 1DXII is free of the pattern...after seeing this, I really regret, that I didn't take the images at higher ISOs too with 1DXII

Some technical points:
- I've used CaptureOne 9.1, which unfortunately doesn't support 1DXII, so I've converted the files with Adobe DNG converter and opened them in C1.
- as you can see from screenshots, exposure was pushed 4 stops and shadows to 100%, this roughly equals 6EV push
- noise reduction and sharpening was set to 0
- 1DsIII ISO400 file is missing
- 1DsIII highest native ISO is 1600, this settings was used in ISO3200 comparison

Please keep in mind, those are images from preproductin 1DXII, the performance can change, but I don't expect this happen... And secondly, this is very narrow test of many aspects of camera and sensor performance, so please don't judge entire camera according this one very specific and in real live not so important discipline!

If you are interested doing more in-depth analysis, feel free to PM me, I will share the original RAW files with you, but please send me links to your previous analysis, I was asked not to share the files publicly and I want them go to the right hands!

And finally the images:

ISO100 Full
http://abload.de/thumb/iso100fullc5xp6.jpg
http://abload.de/img/iso100fullc5xp6.jpg

ISO100 100%
http://abload.de/thumb/iso100dazhj.jpg
http://abload.de/img/iso100dazhj.jpg

ISO200 Full
http://abload.de/thumb/iso200fullp1am2.jpg
http://abload.de/img/iso200fullp1am2.jpg

ISO200 100%
http://abload.de/thumb/iso200ymyaf.jpg
http://abload.de/img/iso200ymyaf.jpg

ISO400 Full
http://abload.de/thumb/iso400fulloyl1a.jpg
http://abload.de/img/iso400fulloyl1a.jpg

ISO400 100%
http://abload.de/thumb/iso400r0ldc.jpg
http://abload.de/img/iso400r0ldc.jpg

ISO800 Full
http://abload.de/thumb/iso800full4mx81.jpg
http://abload.de/img/iso800full4mx81.jpg

ISO800 100%
http://abload.de/thumb/iso800teb9m.jpg
http://abload.de/img/iso800teb9m.jpg

ISO3200 Full
http://abload.de/thumb/iso3200fulldusu5.jpg
http://abload.de/img/iso3200fulldusu5.jpg

ISO3200 100%
http://abload.de/thumb/iso32002ksif.jpg
http://abload.de/img/iso32002ksif.jpg

Mar 25, 2016 at 08:12 PM

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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · 1DX mark II pushed 6EV - comparison to other cameras

Interesting, thanks!

The 1DXII might be the wrong place to look for base ISO high DR? Hopefully we will see the Canon 5d4 as more of a "landscape" DR camera.

Even the newest Nikon D5 is showing lower DR at base ISO, but better high ISO performance. One might expect the same from the 1DxII?

Here is the D5, plotted against the 1DX, with the Nikon D750 on the top line:

http://www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR.htm

DR vs ISO - D5, 1DX, and D750

Edited on Mar 25, 2016 at 08:24 PM · View previous versions

Mar 25, 2016 at 08:22 PM

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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · 1DX mark II pushed 6EV - comparison to other cameras

what I'm really anxious to see is shots at 50k!

Mar 25, 2016 at 08:23 PM

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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · 1DX mark II pushed 6EV - comparison to other cameras

Very interesting thanks.
Personally it sounds like it's going to be a step up at almost every level.
Comparisons with a camera which has poor support from glass and the worst AF in its class means little. I dont do much glacier photography but I'm sure the A7 would excell at it..

For the rest of us shooting difficult to track targets shooting day and night I can't wait to get hold of this camera.
To VpPhoto would you say at 3200 the MkII files are slightly noisier but pattern free so easier to clean up?
Did you try any noise reduction on the files to compare?

Mar 25, 2016 at 08:51 PM

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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · 1DX mark II pushed 6EV - comparison to other cameras

pompo wrote:
what I'm really anxious to see is shots at 50k!

You are welcome!

https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1420952

Mar 25, 2016 at 09:45 PM

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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · 1DX mark II pushed 6EV - comparison to other cameras

mmurph wrote:
Interesting, thanks!

The 1DXII might be the wrong place to look for base ISO high DR? Hopefully we will see the Canon 5d4 as more of a "landscape" DR camera.

Have been waiting for the 5D4 since last year and really hope the same. But I won't expect too much.

If Canon keeps the 6D line, my guess is 6D2 will be "landscape" camera, with slightly better DR than 5D4 (like 6D vs 5D3).

Mar 25, 2016 at 09:54 PM

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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · 1DX mark II pushed 6EV - comparison to other cameras

vpPhoto wrote:
You are welcome!

https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1420952

Thanks yeah!

Mar 25, 2016 at 10:10 PM

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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · 1DX mark II pushed 6EV - comparison to other cameras

Thanks for your initial test shots, vpPhoto.

Would it be possible to remove the color noise (as much as possible) with color NR on the raw files? It would be very interesting to see the amount of luminance noise since color noise is typically not much of a problem to get rid off, IMO.

Mar 26, 2016 at 09:07 AM


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