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Archive 2016 · Canon 80D dynamic range: good news! (quick test with RAW images)

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chez wrote:
I'm with you for most of my work...NIK is just so powerful. Just wish Google stayed out of it as they basically stopped any further development.

It is a shame that they stopped any further development.

On the bright side for anyone who has not tried it yet, the NIK collection just became available for free:

http://www.canonrumors.com/googles-nik-software-is-now-free/

Mar 29, 2016 at 03:35 AM

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p.7 #2 · p.7 #2 · Canon 80D dynamic range: good news! (quick test with RAW images)

For those interested, Tony Northrup has started using the 80D and is posting his images and thoughts on Twitter...he will be reviewing it soon. I've asked him to try shooting at f8 with his 100-400II and 500 IS v1, plus 1.4x T/C, we'll see if he does so.

http://twitter.com/tonynorthrup

Mar 29, 2016 at 09:18 PM

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p.7 #3 · p.7 #3 · Canon 80D dynamic range: good news! (quick test with RAW images)

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Mar 29, 2016 at 09:22 PM

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p.7 #4 · p.7 #4 · Canon 80D dynamic range: good news! (quick test with RAW images)

EB-1 wrote:
I too have been using the 80D and 100-400 II with the 1.4x III.

EBH

EBH, looking forward to your findings/images!

Tony's initial AF comment is it's tough not having spot AF like the 7DII and 5DSR, that is a feature I'm enjoying with my 7D

Mar 29, 2016 at 09:28 PM

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StillFingerz wrote:
For those interested, Tony Northrup has started using the 80D and is posting his images and thoughts on Twitter...he will be reviewing it soon. I've asked him to try shooting at f8 with his 100-400II and 500 IS v1, plus 1.4x T/C, we'll see if he does so.

http://twitter.com/tonynorthrup

Not an encouraging headline

"Really struggling to get the 80D to focus for wildlife! I miss the Single-point Spot AF of the 7D2 & 5DS-R"

Even sans spot AF that shouldn't be an issue. Still pathetic you would offer this all new AF and even AF at f/8 and leave off the spot AF option. Seriously Canon you can sometimes do moronic things and still show why people crticise you for crippling for the sake of crippling. Just release the fw to add the option ASAP.

Mar 29, 2016 at 09:28 PM

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p.7 #6 · p.7 #6 · Canon 80D dynamic range: good news! (quick test with RAW images)

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Not an encouraging headline

"Really struggling to get the 80D to focus for wildlife! I miss the Single-point Spot AF of the 7D2 & 5DS-R"

Even sans spot AF that shouldn't be an issue. Still pathetic you would offer this all new AF and even AF at f/8 and leave off the spot AF option. Seriously Canon you can sometimes do moronic things and still show why people crticise you for crippling for the sake of crippling. Just release the fw to add the option ASAP.

And you take what that guy says as the gospel truth.

From the same mouth came: Soft lighting equals soft images.

Mar 29, 2016 at 09:34 PM

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Pixel Perfect wrote:
crippling for the sake of crippling.

Would you like to supersize your order from small to medium to large to X-large. Yup, it seems as though their strategic marketing plan is alive and well as always to entice you to the next level. If it wasn't for their glass, I think more folks would get fed up with it and move on than already have.

It's definitely a frustration to recognize (or at least feel as though it is) it is more about strategic marketing ploys / plays than it is about photographic tools that just make sense. Imo, live with Canon long enough, and you come to realize that is just life with Canon's business plan. Fortunately, I think their glass approach is the opposite @ make just one or two, but make it really right ... whereas their bodies are very compromise (this, but not that) oriented to escalate the options. (1/2 full would say, they make a lot of options ...

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Mar 29, 2016 at 09:45 PM

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StillFingerz wrote:
EBH, looking forward to your findings/images!

Tony's initial AF comment is it's tough not having spot AF like the 7DII and 5DSR, that is a feature I'm enjoying with my 7D

AF without the TC seems good, but it's much slower with the 1.4x III and the outers are hunting then. I should do more testing this weekend.

I have the old 7D around somewhere, but it never focused very well.

EBH

Mar 29, 2016 at 09:52 PM

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Imagemaster wrote:
And you take what that guy says as the gospel truth.

From the same mouth came: Soft lighting equals soft images.

I didn't take it as gospel but it's not what you want to see first up. Maybe it's user error, or maybe it's just like the 7DII where a lot of users had real AF issues and had to return cameras for repair or replacement. See I don't automatically think the sun shines out of Canon's arse, which is why I wait 6 months before buying any new camera.

Mar 29, 2016 at 09:58 PM

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StillFingerz wrote:
Tony's initial AF comment is it's tough not having spot AF like the 7DII and 5DSR, that is a feature I'm enjoying with my 7D

I didn't really find the 7D2's spot AF all that more consistent then any other modes it had at least for tracking. No loss there.

Mar 29, 2016 at 10:06 PM

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Pixel Perfect wrote:
I didn't take it as gospel but it's not what you want to see first up. Maybe it's user error, or maybe it's just like the 7DII where a lot of users had real AF issues and had to return cameras for repair or replacement. See I don't automatically think the sun shines out of Canon's arse, which is why I wait 6 months before buying any new camera.

Sure, but I only have 3 weeks. The 80D is a throw in the luggage 4th body for me, just in case it is needed.

EBH

Mar 29, 2016 at 10:27 PM

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EB-1 wrote:
AF without the TC seems good, but it's much slower with the 1.4x III and the outers are hunting then. I should do more testing this weekend.

I have the old 7D around somewhere, but it never focused very well.

EBH

I'm just starting to experiment with the 7D; for reasons I'll not expand on, but coming from the AF of the 40D/50D the spot AF is a nice feature, I've yet to get out for any action type shooting tho, where spot helped was when shooting a semi hidden flower slightly covered by tiny twigs

It's good to hear the AF is okay without a T/C in use, that's at least some good news

Mar 29, 2016 at 10:32 PM

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p.7 #13 · p.7 #13 · Canon 80D dynamic range: good news! (quick test with RAW images)

I have the worst luck with preorders...I really need to stop preordering. The store I preordered is still listing the body only as backordered which means they either didn't get them in or they have a bunch more preorders ahead of mine. Meanwhile my other go to store which I didn't preorder from because they didn't have free shipping now has them just sitting in stock and now with free shipping....

Oh well, it will arrive when it will arrive...kayak season up here is still a ways a way......

Mar 29, 2016 at 11:16 PM

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p.7 #14 · p.7 #14 · Canon 80D dynamic range: good news! (quick test with RAW images)

No pictures yet, but preliminary comparison to the 7D II - the extra shadow recovery is there. Big difference.
Under artificial (and not precisely calibrated) lighting, I underexposed both the 7D2 and 80D at ISO 100 by 4 stops. Didn't mess with the NR, which is probably at its auto/midrange level on both bodies. Recovered exposure 3 stops in DPP and ran the shadows slider all the way up.
The difference is very big.

I have some AF testing and such to do now. We'll see how it performs in the real world.

Mar 30, 2016 at 03:49 PM

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p.7 #15 · p.7 #15 · Canon 80D dynamic range: good news! (quick test with RAW images)

OK, it's quick and ugly, and not very well-controlled.

I initially attempted to compare the 7D2 and 80D outdoors, but with variable cloudiness and high winds, it wasn't going to give me the constant conditions I needed to make the comparison. So, I ventured downstairs to the trusty old pool table instead. Granted, it's not the esteemed brick wall, but it's something!!

Before I carry on too far, I will say that there are some flaws in my comparison. I didn't use a gray card, so the color is somewhat different, despite having used duplicate settings in DPP to process the images. The NR was set the same on both, matching the default standard for ISO 100 on the 80D, 0.2 LUM and 2.0 CHROM.

Both images were set, hastily, to Neutral picture style, and the WB was set to "White Fluorescent Light", which was the closest to actual colors. Had I planned things out, I'd have used a gray card - the lighting is a mix of fluorescent wall sconces, and soft-white LED lighting over the pool table.

Anyway, I used manual settings, matched the exposures for both bodies at f/2.8, ISO 100, and 1/320 second exposure, which is 4 stops below what is deemed "normal" by the camera's metering (both were the same, more or less). I then "pushed" the exposure 3 stops in post (I had forgotten that I could only go 3 stops in DPP), then boosted the shadows the full +5.

The results are below. Pay particular attention to the CHROMA noise difference. While the 7D2's colors are off, I didn't try to change anything that would make the process any different for the 2 bodies. I know that the white balance could have been better, though the 80D is pretty close in terms of colors.

Like I said, my test parameters are a little sloppy, but I think it shows the significant improvement in shadow noise, at least at low ISO settings.

Full Image, as taken by the 80D. Yes, it's underexposed. See text above.

Crop of cue ball, 7D2. Approximately 75% crop.

Crop of cue ball, 80D

Crop of chalk, 7D2

Crop of chalk, 80D

Mar 30, 2016 at 06:42 PM

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p.7 #16 · p.7 #16 · Canon 80D dynamic range: good news! (quick test with RAW images)

I don't have a 7D II anymore. Are you seeing much noise improvement at higher ISOs in comparison?

EBH

Mar 30, 2016 at 07:37 PM

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p.7 #17 · p.7 #17 · Canon 80D dynamic range: good news! (quick test with RAW images)

Haven't had a chance to compare yet at high ISO. But I will. The charts show them as essentially the same, but if the noise character is improved, then that bodes well for the 80.

Mar 30, 2016 at 08:29 PM

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p.7 #18 · p.7 #18 · Canon 80D dynamic range: good news! (quick test with RAW images)

Tom_W wrote:
Haven't had a chance to compare yet at high ISO. But I will. The charts show them as essentially the same, but if the noise character is improved, then that bodes well for the 80.

It looks pretty good to me at least compared to the 70D at 1600.

EBH

Mar 30, 2016 at 08:34 PM

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Canon needs a 7DIIs with new sensor ASAP

Mar 30, 2016 at 08:34 PM

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EB-1 wrote:
It looks pretty good to me at least compared to the 70D at 1600.

EBH

I will venture to say that the 70D's sensor and that of the 7D2 are not significantly different. I had both at the same time, but never did a head-to-head comparison.

I'll add that when I opened the 80D file above in Lightroom, it responded will to luminance NR.

Mar 30, 2016 at 08:42 PM

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