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Michaelparris
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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · when "friends" steal your photography. ...


So I'm on Facebook yesterday and one of my "friends" posted a photo of his man cave and in his wall was one of my photographs. ....he didn't buy it and I didn't give it to him. He dropped a couple f-bombs in explaining "I'm not trying to take credit and you posted it on facebook. ...." I explained that photography is partly how I make a living and others who have like my work have contacted me and purchased the photo. Not sure if I should flattered or pissed.


Mar 06, 2016 at 10:52 AM
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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · when "friends" steal your photography. ...


It’s pretty obvious your “friend” doesn’t have any concept of private property and the rights of the individual in today’s society. That is a trend I see that grows ever stronger as the left systematically declares society, not the individual responsible for his/her own destiny… Of course we all know who will control that society.


Mar 06, 2016 at 12:03 PM
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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · when "friends" steal your photography. ...


Well... everyone is different I suppose. IMO... friends do not steal from friends. All he had to do was ask to buy a print off you or ask to use the shot to make a print. He obviously likes your work and a real friend wouldn't have done this... again IMO.

Odds are since you are friends, he could have asked and you would have given him a copy. Or, at the very least, said sure... just cover the print costs depending on the size. Then the friendship moves forward.

If you accept this behavior and just want to live with this person taking things from you.. they why let them stop there? Sounds dramatic... but ...if they had valued you and the friendship... they would not have ever crossed this line.

Just my $.02.

Hatch



Mar 06, 2016 at 12:11 PM
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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · when "friends" steal your photography. ...


That's why friends was in quotation marks. ....he is a "Facebook friend".


Mar 06, 2016 at 12:45 PM
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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · when "friends" steal your photography. ...



I'm flattered, and leave it at that. I understand that once I put my images on the internet, anyone can (and some will) take screenshots and use it on their social media or even make small shitty prints for keepsakes. I can get pissed off all I want, but that's not going to change anything. I can spout off copyright law, and ethics and morals, but it really comes down to someone liking an image and just wanting a small print on their mantle, or sharing it on Pinterest or whatever.

Many of us encourage the sharing of our Facebook posts, or Pinterest images, or whatever. So what's really the difference with them printing a shitty 5x7 screenshot image and putting it on their mantle? To me, there's no difference.

However, if they want wall art, then they need the real deal, and that means they need to go through me. And that's what I want. I don't really make money selling 5x7 prints, except those clients that order a ton of them from a single portrait session.

But that shitty 5x7 print, just like the sharing of my Facebook post, could be a conversation starter when their friends see it, and one of them might hire me. That's really what I want. They can have the shitty 5x7 print on their mantle.

So I'm not trying to convince you this is the right way of doing things, nor am I inviting ppl to try to convince me otherwise. It's my way. It's my right way.



Mar 06, 2016 at 02:13 PM
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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · when "friends" steal your photography. ...


That's a tough one. On the one hand, I understand where you are coming from since it's how you make your living ... on the other hand, you posted the image on social media (Facebook) where the whole point is to "share".

Images you wish to sell should not be posted on social media like FB, but on some sort of secure system with watermarks and copyright.

Be flattered and move on ... and defriend him.




Mar 06, 2016 at 03:07 PM
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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · when "friends" steal your photography. ...


There is no truly right answer here, only what you find works best for you and lets you sleep at night and keep the people you want to be as friends.

I would be more flattered than pissed. I think Ron describes my view pretty well.

It's not clear how you approached this person in the first place that elicited the response you got. I would probably take an approach along the lines of "Hey, nice man cave. I noticed you like one of my photos. Your cave deserves better than what's most likely a low-quality print from a Facebook post, please contact me if you'd like to talk about getting a high quality print for that cave."

I would probably leave out comments like "stick drawings and comparable cave art is more appropriate for people who violate copyright."



Mar 06, 2016 at 10:19 PM
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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · when "friends" steal your photography. ...


well... if he didn't remove your copyright mark from the photo, then you just got free advertisement; especially if his fb page has lots of "friends" 😊


Mar 06, 2016 at 11:57 PM
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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · when "friends" steal your photography. ...


I'm a bit confused. Is the pic on his man cave wall or his fb wall? I doubt you could get a quality print worth hanging from a fb post. If he shared it on his fb wall, did he credit you?


Mar 08, 2016 at 11:45 AM
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p.1 #10 · p.1 #10 · when "friends" steal your photography. ...


This happens to me all the time. I shoot a lot of high school events, and it seems that especially kids today have no second thoughts about taking anything from the web for free. It seems like, if it's there, it's free for the taking. Like Ron, I usually don't have a great deal of concern about this; I know it's going to happen, and so I deal with it. Only once did I raise a stink, when one of my photos was digitally altered by someone who thought that was a cute idea.


Mar 08, 2016 at 12:32 PM
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p.1 #11 · p.1 #11 · when "friends" steal your photography. ...


I kind of expect that to happen with any shots I post to Facebook. For most my watermark is in the lower left corner. If it is a print I feel has commercial appeal I'll make the watermark more prominent and center it a bit on the photo.


Mar 08, 2016 at 09:21 PM
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p.1 #12 · p.1 #12 · when "friends" steal your photography. ...


Social ..... media.
If you hold value to an idea or creation; posting it on FB is akin to storing a hundred dollar bill on a sidewalk.

OP didn't say he posted the image there. He said he saw it as part of another person's post on FB.
Other person had to obtain the image from some source before printing it and pinning it to the wall of his 'cave'.
Who is at fault? Person B for unauthorized use of an idea... and Person A for not securing the product of his creativity.
...just an opinion.



Mar 09, 2016 at 12:42 AM
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p.1 #13 · p.1 #13 · when "friends" steal your photography. ...


jfan wrote:
I'm a bit confused. Is the pic on his man cave wall or his fb wall? I doubt you could get a quality print worth hanging from a fb post. If he shared it on his fb wall, did he credit you?


I'm going to go out on a limb and say the guy saved the photo off Facebook, printed it and hung it on the wall of his man cave...




Mar 09, 2016 at 05:29 AM
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p.1 #14 · p.1 #14 · when "friends" steal your photography. ...


sign your name in a corner, in large font, with a marker sharpie on the photograph! explain to him that he now has an autographed original copy.

If he retains it on the wall.... he is a true friend, proud of your work.
else, you know the rest! - simple -

btw, I have inadvertently "taken" stuff from my friends. But when they approach me, i own up and offer to cover costs. Value, sometimes is misjudged. I am the geeky cousin, who is always available for tech support.... I have a handy friend, who works wonders on my car.
Do we offer to pay or expect to be paid? may be not. but we sure recognize the value and never misuse it.

S



Mar 09, 2016 at 08:37 PM
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p.1 #15 · p.1 #15 · when "friends" steal your photography. ...



He also added an ugly blue tint to the image as well....
Steve Wylie wrote:
This happens to me all the time. I shoot a lot of high school events, and it seems that especially kids today have no second thoughts about taking anything from the web for free. It seems like, if it's there, it's free for the taking. Like Ron, I usually don't have a great deal of concern about this; I know it's going to happen, and so I deal with it. Only once did I raise a stink, when one of my photos was digitally altered by someone who thought that was a cute idea.




Mar 10, 2016 at 10:26 AM
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p.1 #16 · p.1 #16 · when "friends" steal your photography. ...


Sadly, it happens - so few respect our rights as photographers. If it was a 'friend' I'd be really upset.

Along the same lines as what Ron said, one of my very favorite images of my now 4 year old son has been stolen so many times it's ridiculous. Someone in Dubai spotted it for sale as a print in a frame shop there and sent me pictures. I mean, what can you do?



Mar 10, 2016 at 10:44 AM
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p.1 #17 · p.1 #17 · when "friends" steal your photography. ...


Lisa_Holloway wrote:
Sadly, it happens - so few respect our rights as photographers. If it was a 'friend' I'd be really upset.

Along the same lines as what Ron said, one of my very favorite images of my now 4 year old son has been stolen so many times it's ridiculous. Someone in Dubai spotted it for sale as a print in a frame shop there and sent me pictures. I mean, what can you do?


Well, it's considerably different when someone is taking your artwork and selling it commercially. But for the rest of it, my whole point is that you can either get angry and channel all your energy into finding the culprits and serving them with take-down notices... or you have to realize there's only so much you can control, and once you put it out there (on the internet), it's going to be used in ways you may not want it used -- such as adding a blue filter or whatever and printed and framed on a fireplace mantle.

Do you know how much it's out of control? Erin Andrews just won a $55 million lawsuit because some d-bag took video of her naked in her hotel room, and the hotel provided the d-bag with her room number. So it was illegal. Dude was prosecuted and sent to jail. He and the hotel was sued for millions. Yet, all you have to do is a google search and you can find that video online at different places. How crazy is that?



Mar 10, 2016 at 11:23 AM
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p.1 #18 · p.1 #18 · when "friends" steal your photography. ...


friscoron wrote:
Well, it's considerably different when someone is taking your artwork and selling it commercially. But for the rest of it, my whole point is that you can either get angry and channel all your energy into finding the culprits and serving them with take-down notices... or you have to realize there's only so much you can control, and once you put it out there (on the internet), it's going to be used in ways you may not want it used -- such as adding a blue filter or whatever and printed and framed on a fireplace mantle.

Do you know how
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pretty crazy but Erin Andrews hasn't collected her 55 million (yet)




Mar 13, 2016 at 05:25 PM
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p.1 #19 · p.1 #19 · when "friends" steal your photography. ...


If the OP believes that some legal construct (i.e., the "copyright law") will protect his images once those are posted on social media sites, he expects a miracle. I, and most of the members of this forum would never use a photo found on the 'net against the wishes of its author. But do we understand just how a tiny minority among the Internet users we are?



Mar 15, 2016 at 05:55 PM
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p.1 #20 · p.1 #20 · when "friends" steal your photography. ...


I think your friend is a...well I won't say the word. However, if you post a 72dpi jpg on Facebook and somebody makes a print out of it, it is a crappy print. If you posted it bigger you are a...well I won't say the word. If you post it and somebody takes it for a purpose that does not involve profit it is probably not illegal...or not illegal enough to take to court. If you post on Instagram at anything bigger than 1000px @72 dpi and somebody steals it is sort of your own fault. Facebook and Instagram are for the most part vanity sites. I am vain enough to post on FB and realistic enough to know that the photos will be stolen. I can't say that I am happy when they are but I sort of know it is my own vain fault.

JohnCote



Mar 15, 2016 at 08:01 PM
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