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harshdreams wrote:
Hi Davis, curious to know how to correct for distortion if there are movements even if one manage to record it? Thanks



You can do it in capture one... also there is a ps plug in(can't remember what it's called) and the guy who makes it will make custom profiles.



Jul 01, 2016 at 01:14 PM
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Does anyone make an adapter for Pentax 645 lenses with electronic aperture control to use on an Actus? I haven't found anything, but I'm hoping my google skills are just lacking.


Jul 13, 2016 at 08:42 AM
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mjlamott wrote:
Does anyone make an adapter for Pentax 645 lenses with electronic aperture control to use on an Actus? I haven't found anything, but I'm hoping my google skills are just lacking.


I haven't seen anything, and the only electronic adapter I see on their website is the EF model.



Jul 13, 2016 at 01:17 PM
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freaklikeme wrote:
I haven't seen anything, and the only electronic adapter I see on their website is the EF model.


I believe the only lens mount with electronic aperture control is the new Canon Lensplate with Canon EOS Lens Bayonet w/ Aperture Control and that has a cost of $1299 in black.

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Jul 13, 2016 at 01:48 PM
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Flagging means warding direct sunlight off the front element of the lens when it's just out of the frame and the hood isn't doing the job. Often done with the hand, so I guess the term comes from something like "flagging down a taxi"

Mike


It comes from sticking pieces of card to light poles in studio to block strobe light from spilling onto the lens. They look like flags on a flag pole so that's what they were called.

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Jul 13, 2016 at 03:27 PM
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naturephoto1 wrote:
I believe the only lens mount with electronic aperture control is the new Canon Lensplate with Canon EOS Lens Bayonet w/ Aperture Control and that has a cost of $1299 in black.

Rich


Uh, yeah. Last I checked, the EOS system uses the EF mount.



Jul 13, 2016 at 04:00 PM
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flash wrote:
It comes from sticking pieces of card to light poles in studio to block strobe light from spilling onto the lens. They look like flags on a flag pole so that's what they were called.

Gordon


The most logical explanation wins! Thanks, Gordon.



Jul 13, 2016 at 04:00 PM
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freaklikeme wrote:
Uh, yeah. Last I checked, the EOS system uses the EF mount.


Hi Brad,

Sorry about that; I wanted to make sure that the cost was shown becuase that is substantial for a lens board whether it provides the electronic aperture control or not. I figured that may be a reason to rethink such a purchase even if it were available.

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Jul 13, 2016 at 04:10 PM
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naturephoto1 wrote:
Hi Brad,

Sorry about that; I wanted to make sure that the cost was shown becuase that is substantial for a lens board whether it provides the electronic aperture control or not. I figured that may be a reason to rethink such a purchase even if it were available.

Rich



It is pricey, but that and a 16-35/4L with it's shroud removed would apparently give you a fantastic zoom TSE lens. And it's a lot more convenient than carrying around a Canon body to change aperture. I've considered it, and on some level probably still am, but what's stopped me is that's one more thing you have to remember to charge.



Jul 13, 2016 at 04:24 PM
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freaklikeme wrote:
It is pricey, but that and a 16-35/4L with it's shroud removed would apparently give you a fantastic zoom TSE lens. And it's a lot more convenient than carrying around a Canon body to change aperture. I've considered it, and on some level probably still am, but what's stopped me is that's one more thing you have to remember to charge.


It is also another large and relatively heavy item to carry.

When I was considering a T/S lens some years ago, I didn't want the bulk of the Canon T/S lenses. I opted for my Leica R 28mm f2.8 PC Super Angulon (a shift only lens made by Schneider for Leica) becuase it was so much smaller. It may not be quite as sharp as the Canon 24, but it was a 28mm lens that with my soon to arrive Actus will now be able to be used as a T/S with a sufficient Image Circle for 9.5mm of shift unless stopped down to f11 (where 11mm of shift may be possible) where the corners are also supposed to sharpen up a little. I look forward to this option and will consder the Cambo Actar 24 for some time in the future.

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Jul 13, 2016 at 04:38 PM
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naturephoto1 wrote:
It is also another large and relatively heavy item to carry.

When I was considering a T/S lens some years ago, I didn't want the bulk of the Canon T/S lenses. I opted for my Leica R 28mm f2.8 PC Super Angulon (a shift only lens made by Schneider for Leica) becuase it was so much smaller. It may not be quite as sharp as the Canon 24, but it was a 28mm lens that with my soon to arrive Actus will now be able to be used as a T/S with a sufficient Image Circle for 9.5mm of
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Indeed. I'd have to upgrade my Pelican case to accommodate it. I like the idea of zoom TSE, though. I think that's what I find so attractive about it, but I doubt I'll ever buy in. I just don't need anything that wide.

Schneider's first Digitar 28 L used the same optics as the PC SA (though they've discontinued it in favor of the aspherical). It's a very good lens. Personally, I'd be content with the Cambo Actar-24 if they weren't charging $1700 for what is, essentially, the Samyang 24 TS without the built-in bellows. So I picked up a used Samyang and took it apart last night. I need to get a spacer made to hold the aperture ring in place, but otherwise, I'm four small holes in a copal 0 board away from recreating it for less than half their price. It'll be a little more bulky since the helicoid's staying on, but it should be the same in performance (decent at f/5.6, competitive with it's more expensive peers at f/8 and 11).



Jul 13, 2016 at 05:57 PM
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freaklikeme wrote:
Indeed. I'd have to upgrade my Pelican case to accommodate it. I like the idea of zoom TSE, though. I think that's what I find so attractive about it, but I doubt I'll ever buy in. I just don't need anything that wide.

Schneider's first Digitar 28 L used the same optics as the PC SA (though they've discontinued it in favor of the aspherical). It's a very good lens. Personally, I'd be content with the Cambo Actar-24 if they weren't charging $1700 for what is, essentially, the Samyang 24 TS without the built-in bellows. So I picked up a used
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Hi Brad,

Not necessarily the price on the Actar 24. Hope they can hold the price till I am ready, but:

http://www.digitalback.com/product-category/6-cambo-cameras/2-actus/

http://www.digitalback.com/product/cambo-actar-24-lens/

And the Actar 24 includes the lens plate that would normally be needed unless you had the proper camera lens plate already (like the Leica R lens mount plate that I have coming).

Rich



Jul 13, 2016 at 06:03 PM
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naturephoto1 wrote:
Hi Brad,

Not necessarily the price on the Actar 24. Hope they can hold the price till I am ready, but:

http://www.digitalback.com/product-category/6-cambo-cameras/2-actus/

http://www.digitalback.com/product/cambo-actar-24-lens/

And the Actar 24 includes the lens plate that would normally be needed unless you had the proper camera lens plate already (like the Leica R lens mount plate that I have coming).

Rich


Nice. B&H still lists them for $1694. That said, I'll still be under half that. I've got $550 in on the lens, $100 on the board, and I'll probably have the spacer printed, so if that's more than $50, I'll be surprised.



Jul 14, 2016 at 12:51 AM
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I really like my 645z, particularly with the 28-45, but I'd really like to have movements on occasion. I'm betting that lens has a pretty generous image circle for a 35mm sensor, so I could see picking up whatever the A7rII successor is to use as a digital back for that lens. It'd be nice to be able to control the aperture on the Actus, but I could live with using a 645 body to stop the lens down since I'd probably be at F8-F11 most of the time anyways.


Jul 14, 2016 at 07:21 AM
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Capture Integration sells the Actar for $1450. I have one coming in next week and will post some samples.

Michael

freaklikeme wrote:
Nice. B&H still lists them for $1694. That said, I'll still be under half that. I've got $550 in on the lens, $100 on the board, and I'll probably have the spacer printed, so if that's more than $50, I'll be surprised.




Jul 15, 2016 at 12:05 AM
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One difference between them (there may be others). According to Roger's review of the Rokinon, it focuses by moving only the rear group. The Actar maintains a fixed relationship between the elements. So, if you are doing such a conversion, it seems you should still focus with the helicoid, not the bellows. Set focus to infinity, adjust Actus for proper infinity focus, then use the helicoid to focus.

I'm considering doing such a hack on a Zeiss 35mm PC-Distagon, which would have to be focused the same way since (I believe) it has a floating element.

Michael

freaklikeme wrote:
Indeed. I'd have to upgrade my Pelican case to accommodate it. I like the idea of zoom TSE, though. I think that's what I find so attractive about it, but I doubt I'll ever buy in. I just don't need anything that wide.

Schneider's first Digitar 28 L used the same optics as the PC SA (though they've discontinued it in favor of the aspherical). It's a very good lens. Personally, I'd be content with the Cambo Actar-24 if they weren't charging $1700 for what is, essentially, the Samyang 24 TS without the built-in bellows. So I picked up a used
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Jul 15, 2016 at 12:13 AM
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mdemeyer wrote:
One difference between them (there may be others). According to Roger's review of the Rokinon, it focuses by moving only the rear group. The Actar maintains a fixed relationship between the elements. So, if you are doing such a conversion, it seems you should still focus with the helicoid, not the bellows. Set focus to infinity, adjust Actus for proper infinity focus, then use the helicoid to focus.

I'm considering doing such a hack on a Zeiss 35mm PC-Distagon, which would have to be focused the same way since (I believe) it has a floating element.

Michael



Hi Michael,

Yes I know about the price of the Actar 24 listed on the Capture Integration website. I posted the link rather than the price to avoid issue with other sellers. I hope to place an order for the lens later in the year and hope that Capture Integration can maintain their listed selling price. I look forward to your samples and review of the lens.

As to the question of focusing lenses particularly those with floating elements with the Actus, you may be correct as to the method of focusing. But, if not and since the camera standards can not be moved close enough to focus using the Helicoid alone, the way that I visualize that we may need to focus with such lenses is to at best estimate the distance for our focus and to transfer the focus to the helicoid. The final focus adjustment would then need to be done using the Actus focus adjustment at the rear of the camera. I have my Leica 28mm f2.8 Super Angulon PC (made by Schneider for Leica) and it has a floating element. This will probably become even a little more interesting when we add using tilt to the equation. I suspect that once the focus is determined using the method that either you or I described above that we will need to then use the tilt to adjust for the plane of focus, such that providing we want a near far focus, that the original focus point will be at the near focus and to then to tilt the lens toward the far (distant subject). I have never used a yaw free tilt adjustment before, but my understanding is that you require much less further adjustment after the first adjustment for the near far relationship. In any case, I hope that the adjustment will be correct after the first or second time making such adjustment using the Actus. By the way I would suggest that the focus adjustements be made at the highest magnification offered by your A7 camera. After the adjustment is made for focus and the near far relationship, it should be a matter of stopping the lens down to say f8 or in the case of my Leica 28mm Super Angulon PC to about f11 to maintain the sharpest corners possible.

I have my Actus coming from Capture Inegration with the Leica R lens adapter coming shortly with the 39mm thread Actus lens boards to be shipped to me after they come in. I will try to confirm the best focusing and tilt adjustment procedures from my observations using my Actus with one of my A7r Cameras with the Leica 28mm Super Angulon PC soon after delivery of the camera.

Rich



Jul 15, 2016 at 05:24 AM
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cdavis324 wrote:
Anyone try any older Nikkor or Olympus OM lenses? Any other older lenses that have large image circles(other than the shift lenses)?

I'm wondering if the old Olympus lenses have at least 4-5mm of movement...


I've tried the OM 21mm f/3.5 and 50mm f/1.8 on a tilt shift adapter - there's practically no usable image circle beyond the standard 43mm.



Jul 15, 2016 at 08:51 AM
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mdemeyer wrote:
One difference between them (there may be others). According to Roger's review of the Rokinon, it focuses by moving only the rear group. The Actar maintains a fixed relationship between the elements. So, if you are doing such a conversion, it seems you should still focus with the helicoid, not the bellows. Set focus to infinity, adjust Actus for proper infinity focus, then use the helicoid to focus.

I'm considering doing such a hack on a Zeiss 35mm PC-Distagon, which would have to be focused the same way since (I believe) it has a floating element.

Michael


While it doesn't change your point, the rear only moves independently down to about 5M. Then the front barrel starts to extend and whole thing appears to move as though it's a fixed optical block. It would be interesting to see if the FLE has a big impact over the fixed orientation of the Actar.



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freaklikeme wrote:
While it doesn't change your point, the rear only moves independently down to about 5M. Then the front barrel starts to extend and whole thing appears to move as though it's a fixed optical block. It would be interesting to see if the FLE has a big impact over the fixed orientation of the Actar.


Per the Zeiss fact sheet -- Contax 35mm PC Distagon -- Zeiss claims the floating element is only used to "compensate for aberrations in close-ups" and "the position of individual optical elements is automatically changed via a cam when focusing."

Based upon this, it seems likely the floating element does not come into use when focusing at longer distances, so for most purposes, the lens should be able to be focused moving the Actus' track instead of its rotating its helical.



Jul 16, 2016 at 10:24 PM
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