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ecarlino wrote:
that first image appears to have nothing in focus

That may (or may not) be so but, nonetheless, what a beautiful, expressive picture it is...

Jul 19, 2018 at 05:33 AM

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p.5 #2 · p.5 #2 · A7RII+35 2.8 or RX1RII ?

genji wrote:
That may (or may not) be so but, nonetheless, what a beautiful, expressive picture it is...

It looks like camera shake to me. We are talking about chez' images, right? The first one isn't anything special in my opinion but I really like a couple of the other images (all showing the 35/2.8 can be used - but what lens can't?).

Jul 19, 2018 at 08:28 AM

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p.5 #3 · p.5 #3 · A7RII+35 2.8 or RX1RII ?

Jonas B wrote:
(all showing the 35/2.8 can be used - but what lens can't?).

Exactly my point. The A7R2 with the 35 2.8 lens makes a great travel setup...add the Batis 25 and 85 and you have an excellent compact light kit.

I'm sure the RX1 is a great camera...but then you are stuck at 35mm. Personally I won't travel with just one focal length as places present different views at different focal lengths.

Jul 19, 2018 at 08:40 AM

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p.5 #4 · p.5 #4 · A7RII+35 2.8 or RX1RII ?

To get stuck with one focal length is glorious, especially when it is a RX1/RX1R II.

Jul 19, 2018 at 09:26 AM

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p.5 #5 · p.5 #5 · A7RII+35 2.8 or RX1RII ?

I agree Chez I don't understand the cult like following the RX1 has and I own one.

It has its place when I want something small but I am far more wow'd by my a7riii or a9.

I am so much more familar with my FF's that I can do everything faster easier and better also I use them everyday. The RX1 is my point and shoot and something to take out on my wrist or in a jacket pocket when it is not summer and I am not really on a photo outing but want a camera that can capture good images if I stumble across one.

If they release a III with 54 to 72MP with easy to select/frame at 50mm & 70mm or better yet a 28mm lens with 35 & 55mm I would be very interested but only if it has a built in flash like the RX1 so it can do double duty as a point and shoot to justify the price.

As it is too specific and limited for the money.

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Jul 19, 2018 at 09:31 AM

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Jul 19, 2018 at 09:50 AM

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p.5 #7 · p.5 #7 · A7RII+35 2.8 or RX1RII ?

Where did you “hear”? Over the ‘other’ internet?

Others may also be focusing gear that is important to them.

Sony itself is a cult just like Leica , etc are.

You heard that, right here on the net!

chez wrote:
Yeh I hear you. The internet has a way of creating these cult like equipment. I just focus on gear that is important to me.

Jul 19, 2018 at 10:02 AM

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p.5 #8 · p.5 #8 · A7RII+35 2.8 or RX1RII ?

trstahly wrote:
I agree Chez I don't understand the cult like following the RX1 has and I own one.

It has its place when I want something small but I am far more wow'd by my a7riii or a9.

I am so much more familar with my FF's that I can do everything faster easier and better also I use the everyday the RX1 is my point and shoot and something to take out on my wrist or in a jacket pocket when it is not summer and I am not really on a photo outfitting but want a camera that can capture good...Show more →

Don't know if I'd want the -III version to have any more MP, but the cult-like following is due to it being a camera that has no peer.

- It's significantly smaller (yes it is) and lighter (yes it is) than the A7RIII+ 35/2.8 Sony
- It's f/2, and a pretty excellent f/2 at that (better in many ways than the 35/2 Lox IMHO)
- Better rendering than the 35/2.8
- Very decent specs all around
- Single focal length forces me to be more creative
- 35mm is many folks' favorite focal length

I bought my -II used so I didn't pay the high sticker price. I'd likely wait a year or two once the -III (if it ever) comes out to buy used as well only because I can't afford the new price, not that I think it's not worth it.

Jul 19, 2018 at 10:12 AM

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p.5 #9 · p.5 #9 · A7RII+35 2.8 or RX1RII ?

jhinkey wrote:
Don't know if I'd want the -III version to have any more MP, but the cult-like following is due to it being a camera that has no peer.

- It's significantly smaller (yes it is) and lighter (yes it is) than the A7RIII+ 35/2.8 Sony
- It's f/2, and a pretty excellent f/2 at that (better in many ways than the 35/2 Lox IMHO)
- Better rendering than the 35/2.8
- Very decent specs all around
- Single focal length forces me to be more creative
- 35mm is many folks' favorite focal length

I bought my -II used so I...Show more →

- rendering is very subjective.
- decent specs that are being outdated with no ibis, better high ISO available etc...
- single focal length is possible with any camera.
- 35mm might be a favourite...but does it have to be the only focal length?

Add the hefty price on this camera and I can see how to spend my $3,000 elsewhere...but of course everyone's needs are different.

Jul 19, 2018 at 10:17 AM

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realVivek wrote:
To get stuck with one focal length is glorious, especially when it is a RX1/RX1R II.

Jul 19, 2018 at 10:19 AM

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p.5 #11 · p.5 #11 · A7RII+35 2.8 or RX1RII ?

chez wrote:
I'm sure the RX1 is a great camera...but then you are stuck at 35mm. Personally I won't travel with just one focal length as places present different views at different focal lengths.

One of the great things about photography is that everybody can approach it in any way they wish, because there is no right way or wrong way, so long as the results achieved are as intended.

For me, the RX1 series of cameras (including, to a lesser extent, the Mk II version) are eminently usable despite having a fixed lens that offers only a single focal length. (The reason why I partially exclude the RX1RII is that it lacks a flash, which is essential for the photographs I typically take with my RX1. I don't need a viewfinder -- and rarely used the one that I bought for my RX1, so eventually sold it -- nor do I need a full-size, full-power flash, so the RX1 was perfect as-is, with its tiny pop-up flash, whereas without a built-in flash, the RX1RII is a non-starter for me.)

In fact, I photographed exclusively with one for nearly 18 months and while at times I did wish for a wider focal length, I more often than not benefited from having just the one, because choosing the lens to use was one less thing I had to consider before taking a photo.

Of course, I'm a hobbyist, not a pro, so I rarely have to "get the shot, no matter what." And Yes, there are, in fact, photos I don't take when I believe the RX1 will not do them justice. But there are also photos I would have missed had I been using a different camera and lost time due to changing the lens.

With any camera, you win some and you lose some. For me, the RX1 is a winner far more often than it's a loser. And it's a shame that Sony decided to neuter the RX1RII (from my point of view, at least!) by pandering to all those photographers who bitched and moaned about having to use a detachable viewfinder if they didn't want to compose and focus using the LCD.

Tyranny of the majority, indeed!

Jul 19, 2018 at 10:40 AM

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p.5 #12 · p.5 #12 · A7RII+35 2.8 or RX1RII ?

Referring to those who like and enjoy using the RX1s as "cult" is insulting. All cameras have pluses and minuses. If the RX1 doesn't float your boat, why don't you just move on?

Jul 19, 2018 at 10:58 AM

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p.5 #13 · p.5 #13 · A7RII+35 2.8 or RX1RII ?

reply to Jeff Knott,

It is not an insult at all, funny how you can read that into such a commonly used term for describing something that has gained a abnormally strong group of followers. People who love something more so than just liking it. But not in a negative way at all. A lens or camera that develops this kind of loyalty and praise usually is something quite good.

The Loxia 21, Leica Q are two examples of other tems many say the same thing about. I have bought many items simply to find out what it is that is so special about something when so many people rave about them which is a good thing. In fact I bought a new RX1RII becasue of all the praise and a Q but the hype did not meet my expectations but at $1,000 the RX1R with a flash does.

Most of the time when I buy something that has a strong "cult like following" I find the same wonderful qualities that earned them so much praise.

Good word of mouth is the most powerful form of advertising and something you usually can depend on but not always.

Jul 19, 2018 at 11:12 AM

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p.5 #14 · p.5 #14 · A7RII+35 2.8 or RX1RII ?

I'm in a cult!

For me it comes down to rendering and nothing more. I just love the images this camera/lens/sensor produces. I like it more than the FE 35/1.4 ZA regardless of their size and/or aperture differences. It's not about that for me.
I'm usually carrying it by itself when traveling light or to family and friends gatherings.

PS: If I really need wider, I usually stitch 3 images in portrait orientation for a 25mm FOV. There is also the ability to crop it to 55mm and still get a ~20MP file.

This lens is amazing for landscapes starting at f/5.6. Great colors and contrast

Pay attention to the OOF area. Very smooth even at mid distance.

Nice micro-contrast for the subject while having low contrast and smooth background rendering. Very few lenses can do that!

Jul 19, 2018 at 11:54 AM

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p.5 #15 · p.5 #15 · A7RII+35 2.8 or RX1RII ?

I can see why you are in the cult that is quite something. Dang I hope they have a flash and more MP on the III now.

I may have to try using my RX1R vesion one a little more seriously now too but won't have 42MP but those are really nice images Fred thanks for sharing.

Jul 19, 2018 at 11:58 AM

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p.5 #16 · p.5 #16 · A7RII+35 2.8 or RX1RII ?

I use mine for street photography. I am sure it will work for tourist snaps as well.

Untitled by Vivek Iyer, on Flickr

Untitled by Vivek Iyer, on Flickr

All with monochrome RX1.

Jul 19, 2018 at 12:30 PM

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p.5 #17 · p.5 #17 · A7RII+35 2.8 or RX1RII ?

trstahly wrote:
reply to Jeff Knott,

It is not an insult at all, funny how you can read that into such a commonly used term for describing something that has gained a abnormally strong group of followers.

Cult is not a neutral term. Here's straight from the dictionary definition of cult.

a relatively small group of people having religious beliefs or practices regarded by others as strange or sinister.
"a network of Satan-worshiping cults"
synonyms: sect, denomination, group, movement, church, persuasion, body, faction
"a religious cult"
a misplaced or excessive admiration for a particular person or thing.
"a cult of personality surrounding the leaders"
synonyms: obsession with, fixation on, mania for, passion for, idolization of, devotion to, worship of, veneration of
"the cult of eternal youth in Hollywood"

So, now do you see how I might find being described as in a cult as an insult.

Jul 19, 2018 at 12:57 PM

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p.5 #18 · p.5 #18 · A7RII+35 2.8 or RX1RII ?

Good Lord Jeff lighten up and join the real world, I mean Jeez?

I can copy and paste fifty of these too get a life!

Cult following definition and meaning | Collins English Dictionary
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/english/cult-following
cult following in British. (kʌlt ˈfɒləʊɪŋ

the admiration that is felt by a particular group for a film, book, band, etc. The Osaka-based group is popular in Japan and has developed a cult following in the United States. Collins English Dictionary.

Cult following. ... A film, book, musical artist, television series or video game, among other things, is said to have a cult following when it has a small but very passionate fanbase.
Cult following - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult_following

Cult-like - Definition - Cult Definition
cultdefinition.com/68/cult-like-definition

A cult following is a group of fans who are highly dedicated to a specific work of culture. A film, book, musical artist, television series or video game, among other things, will be said to have a cult following when it has a small but very passionate fanbase.

What does cult following mean? - Quora
https://www.quora.com/What-does-cult-following-mean
Examples of 'cult-like' in a positive sense might be: Deadheads have a cult-like devotion to the Grateful Dead; Some specialty wines attract a cult-like following.

Jul 19, 2018 at 01:05 PM

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p.5 #19 · p.5 #19 · A7RII+35 2.8 or RX1RII ?

you two are wasting your time arguing over something chez said?
a new low for the interwebs.

Jul 19, 2018 at 01:44 PM

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p.5 #20 · p.5 #20 · A7RII+35 2.8 or RX1RII ?

ecarlino wrote:
you two are wasting your time arguing over something chez said?
a new low for the interwebs.

Ecarlino...two posts here with zero information. Why don’t you just stay away if you have nothing of substance to add.

Talk about useless new lows for inter webs...look no further than the mug in the mirror.

Jul 19, 2018 at 02:07 PM

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