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Archive 2015 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF

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I don't see that at infinity distance. I can post crops showing center/mid/edges at f/2, f/2.8, f/4, f/5.6 and f/8 for us to analyze the differences. I would not be shooting at f/2, f/2.8 or f/4 for evenness of the image field.

hmm, maybe sample variation or the difference between R and regular version.

i'll have to see if i still have my tests.

Oct 29, 2015 at 09:38 PM

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p.27 #2 · p.27 #2 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF

sebboh, guys and girls,

Here is a quick look at all RX1R apertures at infinity focus (center, mid, extreme edge)


	https://www.fredmiranda.com/Buzz/RX1Rt.jpg

IMPORTANT: Click on the image below to see the correct 100% size: (1:1)


	https://www.fredmiranda.com/Buzz/RX1R.jpg

Oct 29, 2015 at 09:53 PM

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p.27 #3 · p.27 #3 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF

what sharpening is applied?

Oct 29, 2015 at 10:00 PM

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p.27 #4 · p.27 #4 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF

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BTW: You must click on the image above to see the correct (1:1) size.

Here are my default screen sharpening LR setting: (My print setting gets much higher 'Detail' amount)

thanks. i've been doing my aperture comparisons unsharpened. quickly playing with the settings seems to indicate that adding a bit of sharpening seems to negate the effects of mild diffraction. i'll have to find a good landscape shot and apply my for print sharpening and see if i still think f/5.6 is the best for the rx1...

Oct 29, 2015 at 11:05 PM

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p.27 #5 · p.27 #5 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF

Fred Miranda wrote:
sebboh, guys and girls,

Here is a quick look at all RX1R apertures at infinity focus (center, mid, extreme edge)

https://www.fredmiranda.com/Buzz/RX1Rt.jpg

IMPORTANT: Click on the image below to see the correct 100% size: (1:1)

https://www.fredmiranda.com/Buzz/RX1R.jpg

Fred, mine is sharper.

if anyone can tell me how to put red square on the picture. I can upload a few crop. f4 reach peak I feel.

Derek, in real world shooting, I found I always took f8 and don't hesitate to use f11 if I need to get DOF covered, also more tolerate for focus error. With minor sharpening, it really can overcome diffraction with minor loss of 'bite', a habit I got from use Nikon Zoom. With a little over sharpening, the lens can behave a lot better and closer to great lens.

Oct 30, 2015 at 12:31 AM

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p.27 #6 · p.27 #6 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF

zhangyue wrote:
Fred, mine is sharper.

if anyone can tell me how to put red square on the picture. I can upload a few crop. f4 reach peak I feel.

Derek, in real world shooting, I found I always took f8 and don't hesitate to use f11 if I need to get DOF covered, also more tolerate for focus error. With minor sharpening, it really can overcome diffraction with minor loss of 'bite', a habit I got from use Nikon Zoom. With a little over sharpening, the lens can behave a lot better and closer to great lens.

mine appears to be too. there's a square drawing tool in PS. i do usually shoot at f/8 or f/11 for landscape just because of dof, but i've found when shooting off a cliff or such that f/5.6 seems to produce better results – though i admit i judge the results before sharpening and don't do any sharpening till preparing for output.

Oct 30, 2015 at 12:51 AM

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p.27 #7 · p.27 #7 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF

sebboh wrote:
mine appears to be too. there's a square drawing tool in PS. i do usually shoot at f/8 or f/11 for landscape just because of dof, but i've found when shooting off a cliff or such that f/5.6 seems to produce better results – though i admit i judge the results before sharpening and don't do any sharpening till preparing for output.

Well, almost never use PS. here are a few traditional way to show crop at f2.
Full frame

https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5808/21974265513_7b4d4908f5_b.jpg

center
https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5807/22569437226_3236dd5edf_o.jpg

mid-frame
https://farm1.staticflickr.com/775/22606666141_f173a2dfd3_o.jpg

Extreame corner
https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5771/22595459895_81477d79ca_o.jpg

I guess no need for upload f2.8 to f8 now

Oct 30, 2015 at 01:15 AM

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p.27 #8 · p.27 #8 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF

Fred, where have you been? Can't believe you are just discovering the greatness of RX1(R)! For landscapes it has been my only go to solution for 35mm focal length since i got it Dec 2012! I agree about shooting f8 is best for me and usually shoot most of my landscapes at f8 but do not hesitate to shoot it wide open too. Has been my carry everywhere camera and still amazes me with its gorgeous IQ. Great for hiking too!

Oct 30, 2015 at 04:19 AM

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p.27 #9 · p.27 #9 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF

sebboh wrote:
mine appears to be too. there's a square drawing tool in PS. i do usually shoot at f/8 or f/11 for landscape just because of dof, but i've found when shooting off a cliff or such that f/5.6 seems to produce better results – though i admit i judge the results before sharpening and don't do any sharpening till preparing for output.

It's interesting that your experience, zhangyue's and mine show earlier peak sharpness (5.6 for me) as I do believe we all use/ used the original RX1. Perhaps the lens was actually designed to accommodate the extra filter pack of the original RX1, I don't know. The degree of sharpening that Fred has applied is very close to what I used for the RX1 with AA filter with the difference being that I would add some masking - so that's fairly strong sharpening for a sensor that lacks an AA filter (RX1R) imo.

Oct 30, 2015 at 06:55 AM

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p.27 #10 · p.27 #10 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF

wayne seltzer wrote:
Fred, where have you been? Can't believe you are just discovering the greatness of RX1(R)! For landscapes it has been my only go to solution for 35mm focal length since i got it Dec 2012! I agree about shooting f8 is best for me and usually shoot most of my landscapes at f8 but do not hesitate to shoot it wide open too. Has been my carry everywhere camera and still amazes me with its gorgeous IQ. Great for hiking too!

I never paid attention to this camera because of the fixed lens but the RX1RII announcement enticed me to find out if the Zeiss 35/2 was everything I was reading about. I have to say the lens/camera combo exceeded my expectations and I was surprised how a compact fixed lens camera can be so versatile. The unique rendering and sharpness/contrast WO creates gorgeous images with a lot of character.

Regarding infinity focus distances. Yes, one can shoot wide open for acceptable results but if you are printing big, I would stick to f/5.6 and smaller. There is a small resolution difference between f/5.6 and f/8 for the extreme corners without visible micro contrast penalty for the center and that is why it would be my go to landscape aperture. With the 42MP RX1RII, these differences should be even more pronounced.

All the best,
Fred

Oct 30, 2015 at 09:45 AM

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p.27 #11 · p.27 #11 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF

The new R1XR2 should be an even better version with all the improvements in AF and new 42MP sensor.Look forward to seeing your images with it!: I am on the fence to when or if I will upgrade from my RX1. I like having the pop up flash on my RX1 which I use a lot indoors.

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I never paid attention to this camera because of the fixed lens but the RX1RII announcement enticed me to find out if the Zeiss 35/2 was everything I was reading about. I have to say the lens/camera combo exceeded my expectations and I was surprised how a compact fixed lens camera can be so versatile. The unique rendering and sharpness/contrast WO creates gorgeous images with a lot of character.

Regarding infinity focus distances. Yes, one can shoot wide open for acceptable results but if you are printing big, I would stick to f/5.6 and smaller. There is a small...Show more →

Oct 30, 2015 at 10:15 AM

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p.27 #12 · p.27 #12 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF

Speaking of flash, since I'll used the EVF permanently popped up with the eyecup attached, I wonder if something like this will make sense.

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5307/5691309199_0e6c1c1115_o.jpg

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5185/5691881332_aef1bb391e_o.jpg

Oct 30, 2015 at 10:29 AM

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p.27 #13 · p.27 #13 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF

I would have loved for the RX1(R) to have had the tiltable flash like in the A5100/A6000 so that it's possible to bounce it... I think it's unfortunate that this technology (for Sony) came out after the RX1 was launched...

I was hoping for this feature to be available in the RX1R II and would have preferred this over the built in EVF but you can't please everyone I guess...

Maybe I'm trying to persuade myself to cure myself of GAS

Oct 30, 2015 at 10:58 AM

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p.27 #14 · p.27 #14 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF

sootyvrs wrote:
I was hoping for this feature to be available in the RX1R II and would have preferred this over the built in EVF but you can't please everyone I guess...

No you can't, but just for the record I much much much prefer having the integrated EVF to having the flash.

I use the EVF for 99% of my shots. I too rented an RX1R, loved the IQ but found that with the accessory EVF the form factor wasn't much better than my A7R. Attaching and unattaching and reattaching the EVF was such a hassle that I passed on version 1.0.

Oct 30, 2015 at 11:19 AM

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p.27 #15 · p.27 #15 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF

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* Not as pocketable as one may expect and weights pretty much the same as my A7R+35/2.8 lens. Camera is front heavy and grip is non-existent. This is compromise to have a high IQ fast lens on a very tiny body.

This was my first con when I first purchased the Rx1. I quickly came to terms with the size and decided to buy the Fotodiox hood and grip for better ergonomics. It added a tiny bit of weight but not by much. I also bought a cheap $10 thumb grip that works beautifully.

Here are pics of the Fotodiox grip, hood, and thumb grip. Also, pics with the Sony .75x Wide Angle converter I adapted to the RX1. Forgive the dust, we just came back from the pumpkin patch.

And one of my son in his costume this morning

Oct 30, 2015 at 12:41 PM

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p.27 #16 · p.27 #16 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF

inglis wrote:
For the price, the FE 28 is something!

Aside from CA and huge barrel distortion, the FE 28/2 has moderate field curvature inwards. That's one explanation for the soft corners that gets better when stepping down to f/8 or f/11. If one focus on the corners instead of center of the frame, they don't look as bad. It's something to consider for those getting this lens for landscape photography. The 16-35/4 zoom is way better option for that application.

Oct 30, 2015 at 08:19 PM

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p.27 #17 · p.27 #17 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF

Fred Miranda wrote:
Aside from CA and huge barrel distortion, the FE 28/2 has moderate field curvature inwards. That's one explanation for the soft corners that gets better when stepping down to f/8 or f/11. If one focus on the corners instead of center of the frame, they don't look as bad. It's something to consider for those getting this lens for landscape photography. The 16-35/4 zoom is way better option for that application.

For sure, anytime I'd be stopping down, ie; typical landscape shot, I stick with the 16-35, however, as great as the 16-35 is for landscape shooting, its a bit slow and large for walk around type shooting, so the 28/2 pairs great as its small, light, 2 stops faster, and affordable enough (some may disagree) that you can justify adding to a kit just for those times where you want something compact and fast

Oct 30, 2015 at 08:46 PM

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p.27 #18 · p.27 #18 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF

I keep hearing people complain about ONLY two hundred frames of battery life.
After shooting Mamiya TLRs for years with 8 shots per roll, all I can say is quit your bitching. I have no idea how many frames my A7R or 5DS R will shoot, as if you can't anticipate your shot you are just spray and pray.

Oct 30, 2015 at 09:41 PM

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p.27 #19 · p.27 #19 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF

Paul Gardner wrote:
I keep hearing people complain about ONLY two hundred frames of battery life.
After shooting Mamiya TLRs for years with 8 shots per roll, all I can say is quit your bitching. I have no idea how many frames my A7R or 5DS R will shoot, as if you can't anticipate your shot you are just spray and pray.

i mean, DVDs on my CRT monitor was a relevation... Ten years ago. But I'm not giving up my 4K TV just because some arbitrarily constrained previous technology was good back in the day.

The shot limit due to battery on the a7rII isn't an issue for me, but I can appreciate that longer lasting batteries (like on my 5D2) is a nice feature to have and removes one more thing to have to think about). Just like you seem to not want to give up your newfound resolution...

Nov 01, 2015 at 04:17 AM

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p.27 #20 · p.27 #20 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF

I agree: The battery life is a factor. DSLR-fans often mention it. Unfortunately they mention it as a huge problem, as something they can't get around and as an argument for heavy equipment and optical finders.
We can agree that longer battery life is desirable. At the same time, with a little perspective, a short battery life is no show stopper. Switching battery isn't hard and having a spare battery in the bag or in a pocket is what it is: one thing to remember, no more no less.
I say this as a long time RX1 user. I have three batteries. In average they last 200 silent clicks (3 batteries, 13 complete cycles each, 100-300 clicks for each cycle depending on the time spent in the camera, EVF always mounted, LCD never used). When my RX1 dies I plan to use them in the RX1Rii. Or iii. To me they are just a part of the RX1 experience.

Nov 01, 2015 at 04:42 AM

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