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Archive 2014 · My Stunning Daughter - an experiment in contrast and juxtaposition

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elliotkramer wrote:
Since you used the derogatory term "drivel," let me add the following - Anti gun is Pro freedom. More guns = more crime, more suicide, more death, more domestic violence against women, etc. These are the facts. You are entitled to your opinions, but these are the facts. Chances of defending yourself with a gun - very low. Chances of getting injured or killed with your own gun - high. We have an extraordinary health burden in our youth associated with firearms injuries. Over 7,000 children are hospitalized or killed due to gun violence every year, according to a new...Show more →

! What trough of hogwash!

Take your soap box, to another forum, this is People's Photography Forum.

Apr 21, 2014 at 10:24 AM

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I agree 4meNex7 - it was so absurd I did not even feel the need to address it.

Apr 21, 2014 at 10:30 AM

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p.4 #3 · p.4 #3 · My Stunning Daughter - an experiment in contrast and juxtaposition

Lisa_Holloway wrote:
Thank you all for the comments and thoughts here. I figured it would get mixed reactions. The guns were purposefully introduced into this series as part of my play on contrasts. I love how they came out (and so does my daughter). I respect that not all will share the same feelings. I even debated posting them here but though that since they were a bit different from what I usually do - why not. On another note, this shoot has propelled me to make a change that's been eating at me for a very long time now. I am...Show more →

Glad you will be going back to your roots and claiming what you love the most with photography and pursuing it as a hobby. Does this also mean that you no longer will be hosting your post processing classes online and if we want to take them now go ahead and try to book whats left on your calendar?

Apr 21, 2014 at 10:31 AM

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p.4 #4 · p.4 #4 · My Stunning Daughter - an experiment in contrast and juxtaposition

Hello Lisa, exceptional photos as always.
Your vision is your vision but when I looked at these I automatically thought if your daughter was dressed "Flapper Style" or "Bonnie and Clyde" the guns probably wouldn't have been commented on.

Apr 21, 2014 at 10:34 AM

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p.4 #5 · p.4 #5 · My Stunning Daughter - an experiment in contrast and juxtaposition

So, now the truth is "Hogwash?" No, the truth is the truth.

Apr 21, 2014 at 10:35 AM

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p.4 #6 · p.4 #6 · My Stunning Daughter - an experiment in contrast and juxtaposition

Really like the innocent vs toughness contrast especially in #6. 6 and 7 are my favorites.

Great work Lisa and congrats on the career path decision!

Apr 21, 2014 at 10:36 AM

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elliotkramer wrote:
So, now the truth is "Hogwash?" No, the truth is the truth.

Sometimes, Elliot, a cigar is just a cigar. There are big issues in our world to be resolved. This isn't one of them.

Apr 21, 2014 at 10:39 AM

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ICE B1 wrote:
Sometimes, Elliot, a cigar is just a cigar. There are big issues in our world to be resolved. This isn't one of them.

Until it's one of your children or one that you know and love. The insensitivity and flippant attitudes on this are truly staggering. Do your thing, live and let live... that's fine. But this is an issue that affects a lot of people in the worst way imaginable. Perhaps you could try to show some respect.

Apr 21, 2014 at 10:42 AM

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4meNex7 wrote:
Why? Maybe it is what a client may want. A professional photographer's job is to satisfy the customer. If the customer chooses to hold a firearm, or a bow and arrow, or fishing rod or sit on a horse, it is entirely the clients choice. Is the fact you see it as forced because of a dislike for firearms? I did not see it as forced. I don't like horses, should I discredit a fine image because of my likes and dislikes? Lisa is in the business to earn money. When she steps out of the box to explore...Show more →

I like firearms very much (I own 2 handguns and 8 shotguns/rifles...I went skeet shooting last week and at the range with my handguns the week before). Sorry that your false assumption served as the premise for your counter argument.

And do you really call putting a gun in a subject's hands 'stepping out of the box'? It's actually the same ol same ol portrait that makes the gun not work in this series. It would have been awesome to see maybe a documentary series of images of her daughter loading the gun, firing the gun, field stripping and cleaning the gun, etc. Then the gun would have had proper context.

Apr 21, 2014 at 10:55 AM

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Sharona wrote:
Until it's one of your children or one that you know and love. The insensitivity and flippant attitudes on this are truly staggering. Do your thing, live and let live... that's fine. But this is an issue that affects a lot of people in the worst way imaginable. Perhaps you could try to show some respect.

I understand your angst, but you make assumptions in your post on facts not in evidence. I have given you no information about my background, education, training or life experience. It isn't reasonable that you should make assumptions about them.

Respect should be mutual, cannot be demanded, and must be earned. It is difficult to respect the views of others when they are packaged in such a way as to be "THE one choice for all."

In MY opinion, this is a photo forum; NOT a forum for posting political rants about subjects near and dear to you, and I reiterate my opinion that in this case, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. And I've said enough. Thanks for your attention.

Now, can we please get back to appreciating how amazing Lisa Holloway's work is?

Apr 21, 2014 at 10:56 AM

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p.4 #11 · p.4 #11 · My Stunning Daughter - an experiment in contrast and juxtaposition

I knew jumping in here was a bad idea. Ice - I ask you to read my posts in this thread.
1. They were written with nothing but respect.
2. At no time did I say or insinuate anything about "my choice being the choice for all." I didn't even mention MY choice.

I simply asked Lisa for clarity. And I thought your comment regarding the facts about gun violence was callous. You cannot post photos like this and not expect some debate about the aspects of the photo to result. I will not engage further.

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Apr 21, 2014 at 11:18 AM

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p.4 #12 · p.4 #12 · My Stunning Daughter - an experiment in contrast and juxtaposition

The lighting, DOF, and all that are great as always.

But as I looked through these, I don't 'get it'. I don't see enough contrast nor similarities between her attire, the surrounding land, and the weapons to really spark anything in me. The Native American inspired headpiece also seems to be a little bit out of place for a shoot like this.

Adding some anger, or some fanciful joy with the weapons might have added a little something. Or having her in beautifully clean, white attire, but a little dirt/grease on hands/face with the weapons might have helped.

Individually, each aspect is awesome (daughter w/ guns, the attire, the setting, the lighting, the editing/shooting), but together, they just don't quite make sense to me.

Apr 21, 2014 at 11:23 AM

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p.4 #13 · p.4 #13 · My Stunning Daughter - an experiment in contrast and juxtaposition

Sharona wrote:
I knew jumping in here was a bad idea. Ice - I ask you to read my posts in this thread.
1. They were written with nothing but respect.
2. At no time did I say or insinuate anything about "my choice being the choice for all." I didn't even mention MY choice.

I simply asked Lisa for clarity. And I thought your comment regarding the facts about gun violence were callous. You cannot post photos like this and not expect some debate about the aspects of the photo to result. I will not engage further.

My apology if I misinterpreted your post(s.) I still don't think that this is the venue for that conversation. I've sent you a PM if you'd like to continue it off-thread.

Thanks.

Now back to your regularly scheduled thread...

Apr 21, 2014 at 11:31 AM

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Prettym1k3 wrote:
The lighting, DOF, and all that are great as always.

But as I looked through these, I don't 'get it'. I don't see enough contrast nor similarities between her attire, the surrounding land, and the weapons to really spark anything in me. The Native American inspired headpiece also seems to be a little bit out of place for a shoot like this.

Adding some anger, or some fanciful joy with the weapons might have added a little something. Or having her in beautifully clean, white attire, but a little dirt/grease on hands/face with the weapons might have helped.

Individually, each aspect is awesome...Show more →

agree (except for the headband comment)....

Huge fan Lisa. Saw this on FB. I could give a rats ass about having a gun or a tank or bomb or whatever you want in your photographs. Does not offend nor do I think it sends a bad message.......I just dont get it. I guess thats why they call it art though.....Photograph seems fake and to staged. Can't quite put my finger on it. It is like at the last second you said "here hold this gun" in hopes it would make it edgy.....Love your work this series, not so much.

Apr 21, 2014 at 11:33 AM

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It's all good guys. People are going to have different thoughts and feelings when looking at these images. I guess that's to be expected, right?

Apr 21, 2014 at 11:37 AM

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I have been an instant fan of yours since I first came across one of your postings. When I find a new thread submitted by you, I inevitably leave it on screen so that my family can appreciate your work. It is wonderful that someone dares to defy political correctness. Frankly, in some quarters, it even opens oneself to criticism to post a photo of your large (and my I add beautiful) family. I can think of several reasons why you might have included the firearms, but of course I don't know why you made that decision. Perhaps it is like a skilled author. Her writing can mean several different things to different people and still be what the author intended. Thanks for being confident enough to risk your reputation and face in inevitable scorn that was sure to follow. Without being maudlin, it would be a pleasure to meet you some day and observe you work your magic.

Apr 21, 2014 at 12:10 PM

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p.4 #17 · p.4 #17 · My Stunning Daughter - an experiment in contrast and juxtaposition

"Stunning Daughter" - certainly; she's your daughter.
"an experiment in contrast and juxtaposition" - mission magnificently accomplished.
To prove that I'm not a total suck-up, the rainbow-y flare is distracting. Artifact of conversion to low-res jpeg?

Apr 21, 2014 at 01:06 PM

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p.4 #18 · p.4 #18 · My Stunning Daughter - an experiment in contrast and juxtaposition

Excellent photos Lisa. I love the contrast. I love learned in my years that most women embrace the multifaceted sides of their personalities. One of my sister's favorite photos is one that she labeled as a "great date". She is in a beautiful dress with mud all legs and boots, sitting on a tailgate drinking a beer with 2 lit candles on either side of her and her date. The truck is positioned just out of a mud puddle where it is obvious that they has been four wheelings. She even jokes that the guy is optional.

Apr 21, 2014 at 01:08 PM

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p.4 #19 · p.4 #19 · My Stunning Daughter - an experiment in contrast and juxtaposition

Lisa_Holloway wrote:
Thank you everyone. I did post the disclaimer for a reason. I am not looking for nor do I want to hear your anti-gun, anti-freedom drivel. End of story.

Lisa you do create beautiful work and you are brave to post something like this. Nevertheless, what you've done here, is take a beautiful girl, in beautiful dress, in a beautiful but "harsh" location with beautiful light and added guns. Some may say the guns are beautiful, but not me. In any case, you are, without doubt, making a visual statement about guns. If you'd wanted to contrast feminine and masculine in a harsh environment, you could have chosen other ways to do it. You chose guns, and that makes a statement.

The rest of what I want to say I will keep to myself or express it to my family and friends.

Apr 21, 2014 at 01:58 PM

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p.4 #20 · p.4 #20 · My Stunning Daughter - an experiment in contrast and juxtaposition

You know, I wonder if the intended contrast would have really jumped out at people if the model were more engaged with the prop? Taking aim, firing at some distant target, and so on?

Apr 21, 2014 at 02:13 PM

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