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p.2 #1 · p.2 #1 · Landscape photorgapher Etiquette?

Nice two, I would like the 2nd shot even more if it were a tad more off center.

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Mar 01, 2014 at 09:01 PM

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p.2 #2 · p.2 #2 · Landscape photorgapher Etiquette?

There is a rule in photography, that some may not be aware of. It is the rule of diminishing marginal space. Which is that if you find a nice location and no one is around for miles... they will come.

A tripod is a transmitter/magnet

Mar 01, 2014 at 09:31 PM

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p.2 #3 · p.2 #3 · Landscape photorgapher Etiquette?

Both images are very nice, Audrey!

When you are out shooting (or doing anything whatever) I find it very important to control the mind, trying not to get upset with anything. Once you are disturbed inside, it is very difficult to focus. The best thing to do would be to respond nicely to the rude people and brush off any ill feeling as soon as possible. They will realize how serious you are in getting the wonderful shots and will probably come to you to apologize. I would not get even with them. It doesn't help to get the shots you want.

Mar 01, 2014 at 10:03 PM

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I had quite the encounter one morning with a guy out at Vermilion Lakes by Banff. I had my tripod setup for awhile with my camera bag about a foot behind it. A few of us were out there, waiting for the sun to crest. Well this idiot comes right beside my tripod, lies on the ground trying to get this shot while nearly knocking over my tripod and has his foot now IN my camera bag. Oh ya, he had those cramp-on style clips for his boots. I was in utter disbelief I couldn't even believe what I was seeing. I said to the guy your foot is in my bag! Didn't even move, and I had to untangle my bag strap which was now around his leg!, by me moving his leg for him!!

Don't understand how some people are so selfish about getting a photo. Really brings out the worst in people sometimes. There are some nasty phtogs out there that are all about thinking THIS shot will be THE shot of a lifetime and I'm therefore more important than you. Saw this on safari as well.

I guess that's what I get for going to a touristy area as a local. At least the sunrise wasn't that great that morning

Mar 01, 2014 at 11:16 PM

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p.2 #5 · p.2 #5 · Landscape photorgapher Etiquette?

ckcarr wrote:
There is a rule in photography, that some may not be aware of. It is the rule of diminishing marginal space. Which is that if you find a nice location and no one is around for miles... they will come.

A tripod is a transmitter/magnet

That is so true! It's like when you are out and stop your car on the side of the road even if there is nothing to shoot, sure enough within a few minutes the next car coming by will pull over and stop assuming that this must be the magical spot... when in reality you might have just pulled over to pick up a pinecone... It's amazing the sheep mentality that seems to cause these people to follow someone in front of them...

Jim

Mar 02, 2014 at 03:11 AM

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WOW!
So many replies!
Thank you all!

I thought about being persistent and standing my ground, sadly i have to use it more and more lately at my office, but when i go there to breathe the sea, to catch that wave, i leave that business attitude at work, so thats probably the price to pay...

:-)

Mar 02, 2014 at 04:32 AM

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p.2 #7 · p.2 #7 · Landscape photorgapher Etiquette?

Kee Woo Rhee wrote:
Both images are very nice, Audrey!

When you are out shooting (or doing anything whatever) I find it very important to control the mind, trying not to get upset with anything. Once you are disturbed inside, it is very difficult to focus. The best thing to do would be to respond nicely to the rude people and brush off any ill feeling as soon as possible. They will realize how serious you are in getting the wonderful shots and will probably come to you to apologize. I would not get even with them. It doesn't help to get the...Show more →

Exactly. Any confrontation would ruin the moment and as a result any attempts at getting a good photo. I successfully negotiated many times out of such situations. I would have walked over to see what view he had and would have invited him to come back to where I was set up to see what my vision looked like. It amazing what a little communication does to resolve things.

Mar 02, 2014 at 08:18 AM

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chez wrote:
Exactly. Any confrontation would ruin the moment and as a result any attempts at getting a good photo. I successfully negotiated many times out of such situations. I would have walked over to see what view he had and would have invited him to come back to where I was set up to see what my vision looked like. It amazing what a little communication does to resolve things.

Totally agree...

Mar 02, 2014 at 08:39 AM

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p.2 #9 · p.2 #9 · Landscape photorgapher Etiquette?

The fact is some people will be accommodating. The OP's original complaint isn't about those type people. I believe he's talking about those that are aggressive by nature and basically tell you to F' off...

There was a clown at Mesa arch one year who had slept there all night (not supposed to), and positioned all his 4x5" camera gear, tripods, bags - everything all in front of the archway. He was splayed out right in front of everyone and he wasn't moving. He was important though... So he thought. Important enough to ruin it for everyone else that arrived at pre dawn. I don't even think he was shooting the arch, he was shooting through the arch...

Also reminds me of the tourist that was in a big hurry to get to Mesa Arch this winter. But I was going all the way up to Grand View point (although he or she or they did not know this), So I turned in the pitch dark onto 313 and saw two little red tail lights. They were taking their time, not sure where they were going and putting along at around 45 mph, so I speed up to pass. But that was not to be! No way this guy was going to let me pass, he was first after all... After a while it was NASCAR and we were both going around 90 mph or faster up the road

And it was foggy and somewhat slick. Not that I care of course, because I'm a guy. Finally got to the Mesa Arch parking lot in the dark, and they pulled in. I just honked and blew by... Funny how many people hit the black angus on that road too...

Mar 02, 2014 at 08:48 AM

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p.2 #10 · p.2 #10 · Landscape photorgapher Etiquette?

If I was first, stay out of the shot or come discuss working together for the space. If I wasn't first, I stay out of the shot or go talk to them. It's just common sense. If they're far away and tiny in the shot . . . content aware fill.

Mar 02, 2014 at 09:34 AM

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p.2 #11 · p.2 #11 · Landscape photorgapher Etiquette?

love no. 2 for sure.
It's sad that there's jerks everywhere I guess and I've always noticed that when the 2 out of 10 people look and see they've walked in front of you and say "oh I'm sorry" it makes a world of difference and usually adjusts my blood pressure downward.

Mar 02, 2014 at 10:07 AM

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p.2 #12 · p.2 #12 · Landscape photorgapher Etiquette?

If you have time, just wait until they are out of your frame. After all, it is free roaming. That's what I do, anyway. IMO.

Mar 02, 2014 at 10:24 AM

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p.2 #13 · p.2 #13 · Landscape photorgapher Etiquette?

When shooting landscapes, I've never asked anyone to move. I've never felt entitled to tell others to get out of "my" shot in a public location. I'll either wait for them to move, or clone them out in post.

I've been places where other photographers have told people to move, shouted at them, and otherwise created a scene. It has always been a very uncomfortable situation that I really have no interest in.

Most people are very courteous and will try to get out of your shot once they realize they are in it (without even having to say anything). As a photographer, you have a very powerful tool --- the clone tool. Use it.

Mar 02, 2014 at 11:15 AM

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ben egbert wrote:
Last time I was at the Watchman Bridge at Zion for a sunset, some guy set up in the river and blocked about 20 or more photos. I told him we were going to start throwing rocks at him.

IMO, you were part of the problem by saying that.

About 10 years ago, I went to the beach to shoot the sunset. I arrived very early, and was the first to be there with a camera. I setup for a shot along the rocks where the waves were breaking, and stayed in place through sunset waiting for the light to get good. Some kids showed up about an hour after me, and told me they were going to shoot a timelapse and that I was in their way. I told them I had been waiting an hour and they would have to work around me. Their solution was to throw rocks at me from a distance. This was in La Jolla, and they were of course spoiled kids who were never told no in life.

Mar 02, 2014 at 11:20 AM

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Ben Horne wrote:
IMO, you were part of the problem by saying that.

About 10 years ago, I went to the beach to shoot the sunset. I arrived very early, and was the first to be there with a camera. I setup for a shot along the rocks where the waves were breaking, and stayed in place through sunset waiting for the light to get good. Some kids showed up about an hour after me, and told me they were going to shoot a timelapse and that I was in their way. I told them I had been waiting an hour and they...Show more →

We were there first and we never threw rocks it was just a threat. He did get out of the middle of the river and moved to the side but I still had to clone him out. I suppose the rest of us should have just gone home for one guy?

Mar 02, 2014 at 12:05 PM

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p.2 #16 · p.2 #16 · Landscape photorgapher Etiquette?

Its a start up!
Someone should invent a clone out tool for real life...
:-)

Mar 02, 2014 at 12:56 PM

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Allynb wrote:
If you have time, just wait until they are out of your frame. After all, it is free roaming. That's what I do, anyway. IMO.

Most of the time its not an option, cause the golden light time frame is very short...

Mar 02, 2014 at 12:57 PM

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ben egbert wrote:
We were there first and we never threw rocks it was just a threat. He did get out of the middle of the river and moved to the side but I still had to clone him out. I suppose the rest of us should have just gone home for one guy?

The threat is what I have a problem with.

When I went to Death Valley in January of 2013, people were lined up atop the hill at Zabriskie point well before sunrise. I didn't have anything else to do that morning, so I was simply people watching from the viewpoint without a camera in hand. A photographer hiked down the official trail off to the north, and was walking down through the badlands with her headlamp on. The gang of photographers up top became agitated and shouted threats about throwing rocks, and vandalizing her car because they knew which one was hers.

It was an extremely comfortable situation, and it really goes against everything I believe in when it comes to landscape photography. I enjoy shooting landscapes to embrace the natural world, and enjoy my time at peace in the outdoors. Hearing such exchanges ruins it for me. It certainly didn't make the photographers up top look very good.

Mar 02, 2014 at 12:59 PM

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Ben Horne wrote:
The threat is what I have a problem with.

When I went to Death Valley in January of 2013, people were lined up atop the hill at Zabriskie point well before sunrise. I didn't have anything else to do that morning, so I was simply people watching from the viewpoint without a camera in hand. A photographer hiked down the official trail off to the north, and was walking down through the badlands with her headlamp on. The gang of photographers up top became agitated and shouted threats about throwing rocks, and vandalizing her car because they knew which one...Show more →

You are probably correct, I suppose it would be better to stay away from places where people congregate. You spend several thousand dollars getting to a place where the chances of good light are less than 10% anyway and then have it ruined by one person.

I am going to be at the Zion bridge tomorrow, passing through on my way to Grand Canyon where I may meet more selfish people. Then Valley of Fire. After this trip I think I will see if its possible to stay away from icons.

Mar 02, 2014 at 01:06 PM

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Ben Horne wrote:
When I went to Death Valley in January of 2013, people were lined up atop the hill at Zabriskie point well before sunrise. I didn't have anything else to do that morning, so I was simply people watching from the viewpoint without a camera in hand. A photographer hiked down the official trail off to the north, and was walking down through the badlands with her headlamp on. The gang of photographers up top became agitated and shouted threats about throwing rocks, and vandalizing her car because they knew which one was hers.

It was an extremely comfortable situation, and...Show more →

I would like to add some thoughts of mine here as to the situation.

I have heard on numerous times that photographers, especially professional with tripods, have some kind of special privileges over amateurs and non-photographers when it comes to photographic places. That is not right! We are all dealing with public land/ground. All the travelers who come to enjoy the nature have equal privileges. Just that non-photographers normally try not to be in a way for those serious looking tripods/heavily loaded backpacks photographers.

I was rather surprised to see some comments here in this site saying that it must have been the amateurs' doing when they described who are the blame on those terrible scene at the Racetrack a few weeks ago. Let's not be square-headed and just speculating with lopsided opinion.

Like I said earlier, open minded and courteous attitudes are needed when we encounter some picky situation. I know sunset/sunrise do not stay long enough.. but so what?

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