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p.192 #1 · p.192 #1 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless


C1 and C2 suck on these cameras. It only saves certain settings. I tried saving "liveview setting effect on/off". It won't save that setting under C1 or C2. It also won't save the AF illuminator on/off setting under C1 or C2.

I don't understand why you can dive into menu's and change things like AF illuminator, and liveview setting effect. However, you can't assign to a custom button (c1, c2, or c3 button), nor can you save them to a custom mode (C1, or C2 mode), and you can't add these to the function menu (menu that pops up when you hit the FN button). At least give us the option to assign it to one of the three methods mentioned above.

Grrrr.... Sony. Sony, add this option to your next firmware upgrade.

Anybody else feel this way?

Don't get me wrong. I love my A7, but i think it could be so much better.
May 07, 2014 at 03:56 AM
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p.192 #2 · p.192 #2 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless


wingsdomain wrote:
I have the sony battery grip with 2 sony brand batteries inserted in my a7r and a sony/zeiss 24-70 f/4 oss lens attached. Battery no 1 has 80% charge remaining. I switch both the camera and grip Off overnight on my coffee table so nothing can possibly be accidentally suppressing any buttons. The next morning, battery no. 1 is down to 78%! Wtf? What has drained 2% battery life overnight without being used? I only decided to do this controlled test after seeing battery drain when leaving the camera inside my bag and thought something might be suppressing something, but...Show more →

I cant explain any sceintific details on this for you. However, i have an A7, no grip, fe 55 1.8 attached to camera. I havent kept track of the exact amount of battery loss per night. It does indeed lose a few percentages every night or so. I do notice it drains faster than my previous nikon d600. I do think about it this way, my d600 had a battery that could last 3 times as long as the one in the A7. So thats probably why i didn't really notice it on that camera. The batteries on our A7(r) don't last long when used. So i'm not surprised at the rate which the batteries drain at.

I do have 2 Np-fw50 oem sony batteries. Both perform in the same manner. I don't think it has anything to do with the grip or the lens attached. Imo, its normal.

Take my opinion for what it is. I have no technological data to backup my claims. However, i know what i see with my own 2 eyes.
May 07, 2014 at 04:12 AM
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p.192 #3 · p.192 #3 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless


So far, one night it was at 80%, the next morning it was at 78%, when I came home from work that day, it was back at 80%! Ok, great, it was just bad calibration I said to myself, BUT WAIT, there's more! The following morning, right now, it's at fricken 60%! WTF! lol! Again both cam and grip were turned off. These are brand new sony batteries and so it just may take a little time for them to settle down? But from 80 down to 60 overnight?


-W
May 07, 2014 at 09:41 AM
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p.192 #4 · p.192 #4 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless


wingsdomain wrote:
So far, one night it was at 80%, the next morning it was at 78%, when I came home from work that day, it was back at 80%! Ok, great, it was just bad calibration I said to myself, BUT WAIT, there's more! The following morning, right now, it's at fricken 60%! WTF! lol! Again both cam and grip were turned off. These are brand new sony batteries and so it just may take a little time for them to settle down? But from 80 down to 60 overnight?

-W

Just a thought, but do you have WiFi on in the camera? Obviously shouldn't make a difference when the camera's off, but that's one thing that I found drains battery faster in actual use so mine's always on "Airplane mode."
May 07, 2014 at 03:35 PM
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p.192 #5 · p.192 #5 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless


I have noticed that the Sony NP-WF50 charged do drain by themselves, more than my Canon 6D batteries.

With the A7/A7r powered off I think the camera still takes a small amount from the NP-WF50.

Maybe a test wingsdomain is to fully charge them a ten just leave it out of the A7 and each day pop it in and see the % of power?

Christopher
May 07, 2014 at 03:40 PM
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p.192 #6 · p.192 #6 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless


A7/R has some sort of internal battery that gets a charge from the main battery. I believe it's the camera clock battery.
May 07, 2014 at 03:44 PM
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p.192 #7 · p.192 #7 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless


Hi FlyPenFly, that battery you are talking is a lithium type and don't need to be charge. Well that's what cameras for years have been doing.

Christopher
May 07, 2014 at 04:04 PM
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p.192 #8 · p.192 #8 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless


cengell wrote:
Hi FlyPenFly, that battery you are talking is a lithium type and don't need to be charge. Well that's what cameras for years have been doing.

Christopher

Yep but from what I read a while ago, in the A7/R it's not how it's being done.
May 07, 2014 at 04:10 PM
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p.192 #9 · p.192 #9 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless


Wow I was thinking I knew where that camera backup battery was kept and just checked and nope it's inside of the camera and very well be right as I was thinking it was removable and no need to recharge it but not.

Good point FlyPenFly but it still should be a lithium type lasting about 5 years, but if not then it either needs to replaced by Sony service or it's recharged by the NP-WF50 batteries?

Now it get interesting!

Christopher
May 07, 2014 at 04:18 PM
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p.192 #10 · p.192 #10 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless


The A7 and A7r internal battery needs to be charged, don't know how often thou. But you can test with new camera:
- charge battery in external charger
- put the battery to camera, which is brand new from package (never connect the cable)
==> every time you turn on camera after removing battery, the camera loses date&time and some settings. Due to this I charge after full rotation of batteries (I have A7 and A7r and 10 batteries in total) one set of batteries to keep the internal battery charged. Every other time I use external charger.

Samuli
May 07, 2014 at 04:51 PM
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p.192 #11 · p.192 #11 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless


Will try it.

Christopher
May 07, 2014 at 04:54 PM
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p.192 #12 · p.192 #12 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless


Thanks all for generating ideas, but I still don't think anything short of actually using the cam would cause a drop from 80 to 60 overnight, and both the cam and grip was turned off. I'm hoping it's just caused by new batteries and it will work itself out after a few discharge and recharge. In the mean time, I still have a few tests to perform but unfortunately I generally won't be watching it every hour, more likely once in the morning and once at night so results will take time. I've already removed the oss lens this morning, I will check its status after work tonight. If anyone cares to see if any of my battery issues can be repeated, by all means. and preferably with the a7r, the sony/zeiss 24-70 f/4 oss, battery grip, and 2 new sony batteries to see apples to apples, but similar setups is good too, if it's repeatable, at least I will have some company and you'all know misery loves company! To be honest, I'm really not overly concern about this, just curious, and I've always liked finding the cause of any issue.

fwiw, I'm thinking before I got both the oss lens and grip, I don't recall my single battery in cam lost any power by itself that was significant enough to register in my mind.


-W
May 07, 2014 at 05:53 PM
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p.192 #13 · p.192 #13 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless



Each battery has a serial number so it can keep track of battery performance for each battery. Is is possible it just hasn't "learned" the performance of the battery yet?

Guess we can all guess.....I don't have the grip and have not noticed this behavior.

-Tim
May 07, 2014 at 06:59 PM
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p.192 #14 · p.192 #14 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless


tsdevine wrote:
...Is is possible it just hasn't "learned" the performance of the battery yet?




That is possible and that's what I'm hoping though I have no idea what is normal, what kind of performance to expect, nor how long this period is supposed to last for new batteries. If a drop from 80 down to 60 overnight with everything turned off is "within specs" during the "break-in" period, I'm ok with it.


-W
May 07, 2014 at 07:08 PM
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p.192 #15 · p.192 #15 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless


After reading about A7r I wonder. Are you people serious?
You are paying almost $2500 for a camera which has only two quality native lenses and suffers from shutter vibrations and on top of this you’re paying $500 !!! for a lousy adapter which suffers from internal reflections, light leaks and poor fit on the camera body?
Has sanity evaporated under pressure of hype and advertising? :-)
May 08, 2014 at 05:13 PM
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p.192 #16 · p.192 #16 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless


Lan11 wrote:
After reading about A7r I wonder. Are you people serious?
You are paying almost $2500 for a camera which has only two quality native lenses and suffers from shutter vibrations and on top of this you’re paying $500 !!! for a lousy adapter which suffers from internal reflections, light leaks and poor fit on the camera body?
Has sanity evaporated under pressure of hype and advertising? :-)


I suggest that you rent an A7r and FE 55 1.8 lens, spend two days taking photos with it, look at them on your computer and print 5 of your favorite ones and then get back to us on how you feel about the camera.
May 08, 2014 at 05:20 PM
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p.192 #17 · p.192 #17 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless


I second that Jeff! Some people think they know what they are thinking about, but until you shoot with a A7r for a few days then they will understand.

True what Lan11 is saying but until one shoots and understands the whole picture (pardon the pun) then they may understand.

But this is what this forum is for?

Christopher
May 08, 2014 at 05:30 PM
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p.192 #18 · p.192 #18 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless


Lan11 wrote:
After reading about A7r I wonder. Are you people serious?
You are paying almost $2500 for a camera which has only two quality native lenses and suffers from shutter vibrations and on top of this you’re paying $500 !!! for a lousy adapter which suffers from internal reflections, light leaks and poor fit on the camera body?
Has sanity evaporated under pressure of hype and advertising? :-)

actually, i paid $1260 for an a7 and didn't buy any lenses or adapters to go with it (because i had them). so far image quality seems to exceed or match the more expensive dslrs i've shot with, seems like a pretty good deal to me, though like all cameras it has a bunch of things i'd like improved...
May 08, 2014 at 11:40 PM
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p.192 #19 · p.192 #19 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless


Lan11 wrote:
After reading about A7r I wonder. Are you people serious?
You are paying almost $2500 for a camera which has only two quality native lenses and suffers from shutter vibrations and on top of this you’re paying $500 !!! for a lousy adapter which suffers from internal reflections, light leaks and poor fit on the camera body?
Has sanity evaporated under pressure of hype and advertising? :-)

I paid retail (~$1699) for the A7 and a few adapters for my MF lenses. I don't even own a single FE Sony lens. I enjoy the way this camera adapts my Canon, Leica & Zeiss lenses. Sure, I didn't buy the R version, but the images I'm getting and the real time feedback from the EVF has brought new life to my MF lenses. To me, the cost of A7 admission was totally worth it!


May 09, 2014 at 12:21 AM
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p.192 #20 · p.192 #20 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless


Be sure to check out the most active image thread on the alt forum and see what the camera can do. Don't limit yourself.
May 09, 2014 at 12:24 AM
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