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Alan Brock
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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · Maui Morning (and how Peter Lik owes me!)


I just wanted to share my 15 seconds of photography fame. Below is an image I took Christmas morning on Maui. I submitted it last year to Popular Photography's annual reader contest which was won by some guy named Peter Lik. Oh well. I didn't give it another thought until I just happened to check out popphoto.com this weekend and saw my pic as the headline image announcing this year's photo contest! So there is nothing crediting me on the image, and when you click it, it takes you to the contest page which is of course headlined by the Lik image. But still, one of the world's most widely read photography publications used my image for the online promotion of their photography contest; pretty cool!

As of writing this (8-26-13) the image is just below the headline as a thumbnail for one of their top four stories. Luckily, I grabbed a screen shot to cement my moment, because I knew it would be fleeting. So there you have it...the highlight of my photography career: an uncredited photo that links to the work of Peter Lik.




Maui Morning









Aug 26, 2013 at 07:10 PM
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Ha ha... There you go Alan... So you didn't get credit, your shot points to a photographer that most in here don't really care for, and you didn't win... That's almost like winning an award of the flu...

But congrats... It is cool that your image is up, though you would think your name would be on it somewhere for some credit...

Jim



Aug 26, 2013 at 08:16 PM
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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · Maui Morning (and how Peter Lik owes me!)


They should give credit. But it's not surprising, I really do not enter photo contests because in most you relinquish a lot of the rights of the images you submit. They basically use your image for almost whatever they want in regards to promoting their magazine or institution and you do not get paid and might not even get credit. I would at the very least write them an email.

That said, I really like your image. Has a lot going for it.



Aug 26, 2013 at 08:44 PM
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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · Maui Morning (and how Peter Lik owes me!)


Also, forgot to mention. Peter Lik is notorious for heavily "photoshopping" his images and has even moved elements like mountains in post-production to improve his compositions. He has some really good images with great presentation and marketing.


Aug 26, 2013 at 08:48 PM
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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · Maui Morning (and how Peter Lik owes me!)


Peter Lik won the contest? Sheesh, I wonder why he even entered at this point in his life? He has his own TV show on NatGeo and galleries galore. I visited his gallery in Vegas--at the Venetian I think--and his prints were bigger than any of the walls in my house and impressive I might add.


Aug 26, 2013 at 09:02 PM
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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · Maui Morning (and how Peter Lik owes me!)


Congratulations Alan. That is a fabulous image.


Aug 26, 2013 at 10:53 PM
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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · Maui Morning (and how Peter Lik owes me!)


Fantastic photo Alan!
You should ask them at least a credit for the photo of yours they are using.
Kee



Aug 26, 2013 at 10:59 PM
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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · Maui Morning (and how Peter Lik owes me!)


There is a serious side to this. I have not looked at the terms of the Pop Photo contests, so don't take any of what follows as a commentary on their policies until you have checked them out yourself. That said...

... Many (most?) such contests have some very onerous conditions attached to them, and photographers who value their work should read the terms very carefully and understand their implications before submitting work. The problems with some contests fall into two primary categories:

1. Many contests amount to what have been termed "intellectual property rights grabs," wherein a condition of entry (note: not winning!) is that all entrants grant very generous licenses to the sponsors of the contest and often to others with whom they are associated to use the photographs in essentially any way they want, without any compensation to the photographers and without crediting them for their work when it is used. The compulsory licenses that all entrants agree to by submitting their work would permit, for example, their work to be resold, to be used for purposes completely unrelated to the original contest, and are generally for an unlimited term, not limited geographically or by type of usage. So by entering your photograph - regardless of whether you "win" anything or not - you essentially give away your photograph with no recognition or compensation.

2. Many of the contest terms that I've read also have clauses that make the submitting photographer responsible for any legal action brought against the sponsors, their associates, or others who might use the photographs - remember, without the photographers' permission or knowledge and with no credit or payment. The photographer agrees to be solely responsible for defending against any claims. I'm no lawyer, but imagine a hypothetical circumstance in which you take a photo of the neighbor's kid. You and your neighbor think it is great, and your neighbor says, "sure, you can enter that in the contest," but you don't tell your neighbor all of the arcane stuff about licenses and liability and all that. You don't win the contest - very few people do! - but somewhere, someone in an office at the marketing company that worked with the contest sponsors sees your photo and thinks," Gee, I could use that for that nasty political ad," or "wonder how that photo of that little girl would look in our ad in [name the nasty magazine]," and licenses the image to them. Yes, they can - you agreed. Your neighbor is justifiably angry and decides to go after those using the image without permission... but wait... you gave them permission when you entered that photo... and you agreed to be the one who would defend their use.

Be very, very careful of contests!

Now, I'm certainly not saying that all contests are bad. Some have terms that are quite reasonable and even friendly to photographers. These generally are very clear about the very limited license that the contest will obtain to use the winner's photographs for purposes directly related to the contest only and some even clearly exclude other uses... and they don't include the onerous photographer liability clauses.

If your work is appropriate, enter these contests and thank the sponsors for their respect for the work and rights of photographers.

On the other hand, read all contest terms very carefully - and when you encounter those with the nasty, anti-photographer, rights-grabbing terms... run the other direction. You might even contact them - some of the contest organizers are unaware that the boilerplate terms that they adopted from other competitions are this horrible and they will change them. Unfortunately, some, including some big entities that should know better - including more than one that I personally support in other ways - don't get it.

Be careful out there! :-)

Dan

Edited on Aug 27, 2013 at 02:49 PM · View previous versions



Aug 26, 2013 at 11:24 PM
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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · Maui Morning (and how Peter Lik owes me!)


All this jabber about contests aside, your image is fantastic, well exposed and nicely composed. Well done and deserving of being recognized.


Aug 27, 2013 at 07:13 AM
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p.1 #10 · p.1 #10 · Maui Morning (and how Peter Lik owes me!)


Its a great shot, I like it a lot...I don't care for Peter...he is overly full of himself.

Dan...I stopped submitting anything to magazine contests and other similar things, after reading things very carefully...so many of them have terms that basically tell you that they will and can do anything they want with an image...nothing I have is good enough to win anything, but it was fun at first to enter...I still have nothing good enough to win, but don't want to give up my images.



Aug 27, 2013 at 07:30 AM
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p.1 #11 · p.1 #11 · Maui Morning (and how Peter Lik owes me!)


Well, I think it's a nice colorful image. Something about it bothers my eyes however. I think the cloud blur. Oh well. Still it's very nice.

I didn't read this as the OP really complaining about lack of credit, maybe just a little, but more the OP showing off a little. Nothing wrong with that!

You're all adults. For 95% of the people here, signing a photo's rights away is no big deal for an occasional contest. That's part of being an amateur, you have to climb the ladder. If you evolve into a real "pro" then you'll know it and be more careful and selective which photos you use.



Aug 27, 2013 at 07:46 AM
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ckcarr wrote:
Well, I think it's a nice colorful image. Something about it bothers my eyes however. I think the cloud blur. Oh well. Still it's very nice.

I didn't read this as the OP really complaining about lack of credit, maybe just a little, but more the OP showing off a little. Nothing wrong with that!

You're all adults. For 95% of the people here, signing a photo's rights away is no big deal for an occasional contest. That's part of being an amateur, you have to climb the ladder. If you evolve into a real "pro" then you'll know it and be
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VERY good eye ckcarr! I had to apply a slight Gaussian blur to the sky (don't remember how many pixels, but it wasn't very much) because I was getting some strange blotchiness in the dark part of the clouds. There is motion there as this was a 30 second exposure, but there is also some Photoshoppery to it. And to clarify, I'm not complaining at all. I knew the image was theirs when I entered the contest, and that they could use it without credit as they pleased. For some this is understandably a big deal, but for me, I was fine with it. Just as long as they don't credit it to someone else. This post was nothing more than shameless bragging on my part...which may be kind of a douchey move I realize, but hey, I was excited about it!



Aug 27, 2013 at 08:20 AM
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p.1 #13 · p.1 #13 · Maui Morning (and how Peter Lik owes me!)


nothing wrong with bragging...every post of images is a form of that...


Aug 27, 2013 at 08:22 AM
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p.1 #14 · p.1 #14 · Maui Morning (and how Peter Lik owes me!)


Firstly, very nice photo!

Secondly, I agree with Dan. Some contest conditions can be veryyyy unsettling. Unless they are VERY clear that they won't use my image for just random promotions/resale, or unless they allow submissions to be very small (~800px), I don't even consider it.



Aug 27, 2013 at 02:02 PM
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p.1 #15 · p.1 #15 · Maui Morning (and how Peter Lik owes me!)


Fantastic photograph...sucks how they robbed you...and continue to rob you. It BLOWS. You should write to them to give you credit. I wonder if Lik entered the contest following the same rules..and why they didn't USE HIS image as promotion for the new contest.

something to think about.



Aug 27, 2013 at 05:39 PM
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p.1 #16 · p.1 #16 · Maui Morning (and how Peter Lik owes me!)


Not a huge fan of the wild colors here and overexposed right-side of the sky, but I suppose it works in a photo art kind of way.


Aug 27, 2013 at 07:00 PM
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p.1 #17 · p.1 #17 · Maui Morning (and how Peter Lik owes me!)


yuck. the sky is heavily blown on the right side and there are a couple bits of lens flare along the right side. the sky is hard to look at because of the blur and the colors are over the top. i guess this is what makes good magazine material.


Aug 28, 2013 at 04:28 AM
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p.1 #18 · p.1 #18 · Maui Morning (and how Peter Lik owes me!)


I think this could be refined a lot better, and I think the composition is a bit empty looking. Toning things down would make for a stronger image (maybe not for thumbnail appeal though). Right now it kind of looks like a colour wheel from a paint store.


Aug 28, 2013 at 08:01 AM
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p.1 #19 · p.1 #19 · Maui Morning (and how Peter Lik owes me!)


I'll try not to bump this anymore, but I wanted to thank everyone for their feedback. I'm in agreement about the colors and sky; it's honestly a bit hard to look at now almost 2 years later. Hopefully I've improved since this image, and will continue to do so in the future. But again, thanks for the feedback. It's refreshing to have honest opinions!


Aug 28, 2013 at 09:04 AM
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p.1 #20 · p.1 #20 · Maui Morning (and how Peter Lik owes me!)


Alan Brock wrote:
I'll try not to bump this anymore, but I wanted to thank everyone for their feedback. I'm in agreement about the colors and sky; it's honestly a bit hard to look at now almost 2 years later. Hopefully I've improved since this image, and will continue to do so in the future. But again, thanks for the feedback. It's refreshing to have honest opinions!


Thought I would bump this Have you improved ?

Also, just a reminder that any shot you post here will certainly be stolen and used by somebody. Put it up on an open forum and it's gone with the wind. Just shoot to have fun

Brian



Mar 20, 2014 at 10:47 AM
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