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Alan Brock
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Hey everyone, first FM post! I was going to upload several of my astrophotos, but I'm having trouble uploading more than one image. Oh well... Anyway, I've been lurking for several days and I must say there are some truly talented landscape photographers here! I look forward to learning from everyone. So as my first post, I thought I would submit something a little different. Hope you enjoy; C&C always welcome!




M42 The Orion Nebula




Aug 20, 2013 at 07:34 PM
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Welcome! Nice shot--look forward to more of your posts in the future.

Dave



Aug 20, 2013 at 07:41 PM
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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · Orion Nebula Astrophotography


Beautifully executed! Details, please - how guided, exposure info, etc...


Aug 20, 2013 at 07:54 PM
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Chaz wrote:
Beautifully executed! Details, please - how guided, exposure info, etc...


Thanks Chaz! I took 102 images at 2 minutes each for the nebula and 40 images at 15 seconds long for the bright core. Camera was a stock 7D with a light pollution filter, and the scope was an Orion 80mm EON f/5.25 refractor. My mount was an autoguided CGEM; I've done 8 minute long exposure before, but had to limit this one to 2 minutes sub-exposures because it was taken in my light polluted back yard. I took an equal number of flat and dark calibration frames. Everything was stacked in Deep Sky Stacker and then edited in Photoshop. While I'm at it (and since I had trouble posting multiple images earlier), below is another one. Nearly the same setup, except I used a 40D and 7 minute sub-exposures for just under 3 hours.





M31 The Andromeda Galaxy




Aug 20, 2013 at 08:20 PM
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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · Orion Nebula Astrophotography


Outstanding stuff.


Aug 20, 2013 at 09:17 PM
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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · Orion Nebula Astrophotography


WOW! love the colors and the gas cloud patterns. Do post more, I love to see more astrophotography work.

Jason



Aug 20, 2013 at 11:22 PM
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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · Orion Nebula Astrophotography


Such nice images guys & Alan you made quite an entrance to the forum with those images! Welcome on board

+1000 to an astrophotography section...



Aug 20, 2013 at 11:24 PM
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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · Orion Nebula Astrophotography


amazing photos, thanks for sharing!


Aug 20, 2013 at 11:53 PM
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Hey Alan,

Welcome to FM Landscape! You have some really cool images that will have several of our members here drooling I am sure.

Nice work in both, I like them. A suggestion for the 2nd, you might want to run a light sharpening on it after downsizing the photo for the web as the stars appear just a bit soft.

Jim



Aug 21, 2013 at 12:10 AM
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YEY!! This is what I have been waiting to see!!! Thanks Alan.

You've got to illustrate/explain 'how' in great detail!

I am all excited!

Kee



Aug 21, 2013 at 12:33 AM
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cooooool


Aug 21, 2013 at 05:18 AM
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Thanks to everyone for the kind words; really encouraging!

@Jim - Thanks for the feedback! It's definitely something I will look at this closely in the future as I've yet to find a satisfactory method of web sharpening. Unfortunately, the softness in this image is not (at least completely) a result of resizing. In order to keep background noise to a minimum I had to balance finding an acceptable level of sharpness and noise control. At some point I need to reprocess it and/or shoot it with a newer camera.

rhee wrote:
YEY!! This is what I have been waiting to see!!! Thanks Alan.

You've got to illustrate/explain 'how' in great detail!

I am all excited!

Kee


Alright Kee, here is an in-depth look at capturing an astrophoto. Fair warning...LOTS of boring stuff written below! Also, I don't mean to seem like I'm talking down to anyone. Since I don't know anyone's experience with this, I'm just going to go through it assuming there is no previous experience with astronomy.

First, the gear. I've included a cell phone pic of my setup at the end. The mount is by far the most important piece of equipment. It HAS to be stable and able to track the night sky smoothly. Also, for imaging, you should never weigh it down anywhere close to its carrying capacity. I use a Celestron CGEM which is really good for imaging with small scopes. Speaking of telescopes, there are two involved: an imaging scope and a guide scope. For an imaging scope (black one in the pic below), I use an 80mm f/6.25 refractor. This may seem slow, but it's actually really fast in the world of telescopes. It's relatively small; only slightly longer than a 70-200 w/lens hood attached and much lighter. Next is the guide scope. As you are setting up the mount, it has to be aligned VERY precisely with the celestial north pole/north star through a process called polar alignment. This way the rotation of the mount can cancel out the earth's rotation through the night. However, in spite of precise alignment, there can still be movement based on slight imperfections in the gearing of your mount, slight gust of wind, etc. Since we're imaging in minutes/hours, even movement of a few pixels can ruin an image. Therefore, we use a guide scope. A small camera is attached to this scope and locks onto a single star. If it detects any movement in that star, it sends a signal to your mount so it can compensate for this movement and keep your image stable.

Next is image capture. There are far more advanced cameras out there, but for simplicity I use a DSLR. You can have them modified specifically for astrophotography, but I've found no need to do that. I use a stock camera and attach a light pollution filter. This picks up plenty of detail for me. When capturing the image, you takes lots of sub-exposures of your target. Mine have ranged anywhere from 15 seconds to 8 minutes each. The reason for this is noise control. You're using a high ISO and will be pushing the image a lot in pp. Therefore, since noise is random, you take a lot of subs and stack them together in post. Then software will remove the noise in the image while keeping stars and other detail intact. It is also necessary to take several sets of callibration images. I take darks and flats. First the darks. Because imaging is in minutes at high ISO, there will inevitably be several "hot" pixels...completely red, blue, or green pixels with no data. Taking completely black images will identify these pixels so they can be subtracted in post. Finally, you've got flats. Telescopes inherently have curvature and vignetting, most pronounced at the edges. Taking pics of a completely flat, evenly illuminated surface again lets software calibrate and correct these imperfections (as well as dust spots).

Finally, there is image processing. I use a free program called Deep Sky Stacker to stack all of my images together and get a final stacked/calibrated image. It then goes to photoshop where you can spend hours teasing out the little bits of detail while keeping noise in check. This was the steepest learning curve for me and there is no part of it that is similar to "normal" image editing. I use the tutorials by Jerry Lodriguss and his astropix.com website as my Bible.

Some final notes. There is no type of photography that is more frustrating than astrophotography. There is so much that can go wrong, it's cold, and you're often fighting exhaustion. That being said, there is no feeling in photography like when a nebula pops up on the camera screen after a successful 8 minute sub-exposure! Also, find the darkest sky possible, including no moon. I've got everything set up to run off a deep cycle marine battery so I can hit the road to a dark sky site in the mountains. So, if you're still reading...God bless you! Happy hunting and clear skies!




Astrophotography Setup




Aug 21, 2013 at 08:21 AM
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p.1 #13 · p.1 #13 · Orion Nebula Astrophotography


Hi Alan,

Another Astro-imager here. There are several here that do deep sky stuff. There's also seems to be a lot of interest in the topic, so keep posting. As soon as the weather clears I'll be doing the same.

Nice M42 shot, well processed into the trapezium. Maybe a bit of a green cast (LP filter?). Have you given HLVG plug-in a try. It works really well for removal of green cast. I typically set the White point on an appropriately chosen star. The core of M31 and a couple of the stars look to be saturated. But also a really fantastic shot. Looks like good tracking and flat field.

Looking forward to seeing more. Thanks for sharing,

Eric



Aug 21, 2013 at 08:35 AM
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p.1 #14 · p.1 #14 · Orion Nebula Astrophotography


Great Image.
Very cool looking rig

Bob



Aug 21, 2013 at 08:56 AM
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p.1 #15 · p.1 #15 · Orion Nebula Astrophotography


Thanks Alan. Yes, I have been reading with checking some references you mention.
I have been going through NASA's photo daily for those pictures like you posted here.
Just simple question.
Light Pollution Filter: what does it do? And what kind? Would this help to subdue the city light for a regular night photography?

Kee



Aug 21, 2013 at 10:08 AM
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p.1 #16 · p.1 #16 · Orion Nebula Astrophotography


Eric - Thanks for the feedback! The green is probably from the LP filter. I always use a custom WB off of a gray card with it, but somehow the green still shows through I guess. I had not actually heard of the HLVG plug-in; I will definitely give that a try. I've never been thrilled with the core of my M31 image. I should've taken shorter subs and blended them; IIRC, it took quite a bit of PS shenanigans to get the core as it is now. Color isn't right still, but upon saving, PS froze and deleted ALL of my layers! I have not had the desire to go back and reprocess. Good to see others interested in AP; I look forward to seeing your work!

Kee - A light pollution filter is a mandatory piece of equipment IMO...even if you are shooting from a dark sky site. I use an Astronomik CLS filter that clips into my camera; it's removable so it doesn't affect normal imaging at all. It blocks out certain wavelengths of light, such as those in street lamps. If you are shooting in an area of high light pollution or light from the moon is making the sky bright, it allows you to still photograph your target without the sky washing out too much. It also makes your camera more sensitive to wavelengths of light found in certain nebulae, such as the red areas in M42 above.



Aug 21, 2013 at 10:48 AM
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p.1 #17 · p.1 #17 · Orion Nebula Astrophotography


haha, and I thought I used a lot of exposures to get my images. Thats just nuts. Great shot and patience!


Aug 21, 2013 at 11:05 AM
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p.1 #18 · p.1 #18 · Orion Nebula Astrophotography


Great shots and welcome to FM!

Where are you in TN?



Aug 21, 2013 at 11:10 AM
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p.1 #19 · p.1 #19 · Orion Nebula Astrophotography


Amazing image and thanks for taking the time to explain your process.


Aug 21, 2013 at 01:02 PM
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p.1 #20 · p.1 #20 · Orion Nebula Astrophotography


Stellar!! Thanks, Alan, for the technical details regarding capture, pp and rig set-up. Much appreciated and will look forward to seeing more of this splendid work!

P.S. - "Good seeing" to you!



Aug 21, 2013 at 01:26 PM
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