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JimKied
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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · White Horse

I was in Northern California and Oregon in mid-June and while there, we visited White Horse Falls. Pretty good weather for it, overcast, in the mid 30s, and a morning visit. Being the noob that I am, I still found it quite challenging to get the water flow "contained." It was gushing. I haven't really had the chance to photograph a fall with water flowing that fast. These three images are my best and two are manually blended shots and I go from liking one or the other better each day. I manually blended two of them to try to get more detail in the fall itself, but not sure I pulled it off that well. Feel free to critique all you want. I'm especially curious as to which composition works best. I'm new at this and want to learn.


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Jul 09, 2013 at 05:32 PM

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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · White Horse

They appear much more saturated here than they do on Photoshop. I converted to sRGB before uploading. Would like to know if they look too saturated to others also. If so, is there something I should do before converting to sRGB to make them look more natural?

Jul 09, 2013 at 05:35 PM

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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · White Horse

They don't look too saturated here. Viewing on firefox.

Jul 09, 2013 at 06:02 PM

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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · White Horse

Thanks Andy, good to hear.

Jul 09, 2013 at 07:41 PM

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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · White Horse

Hi Jim,

If you view in IE, everything looks too saturated, so Chrome, Firefox, etc are the better indicators. I like #1 best in terms of comp.

Tim

Jul 09, 2013 at 08:00 PM

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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · White Horse

OK. Anything I could do better, either in comp or processing?

Jul 09, 2013 at 09:00 PM

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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · White Horse

Timmeh wrote:
Hi Jim,

If you view in IE, everything looks too saturated, so Chrome, Firefox, etc are the better indicators. I like #1 best in terms of comp.

Tim

Hey Tim,

Not really true in regards to IE vs Chrome, etc.. It depends on how it was processed because I am viewing these shots in IE and they look fine to me.

Jim

Jul 09, 2013 at 09:50 PM

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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · White Horse

Hey Jim,

That is an interesting waterfall. I like #1 the most and #3 the least. Even though they are basically the same shot, the tighter view with those logs right at the bottom really frame the shot well. In terms of composition, usually a composition like #1 when there is a log at the very bottom of a shot, ends up cutting off the shot and making the shot feel very fragmented and it deters the flow of it. But perhaps because there are 2 of them, that composition really works, so congrats.

#2 is the closer composition to a typical waterfall shot, it doesn't quite work for one reason, and thats because the water is exiting the frame basically on the side of the shot. If you had been able to move over to the left more so that the water exited the frame at the bottom on the left side more, I think it would have worked better. If you noticed the white flow of the water it's all along the left side and not the bottom. That slight change in the composition would have really helped, and it would have eliminated the rather large brown dead space in the lower middle to right side.

Oh, back to one, I really like that little bit of swirls in the lower right of the shot. Did you shoot from in front of those logs at all?

So my favorite would be #1.

Jim

Jul 09, 2013 at 09:57 PM

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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · White Horse

A nice set. No. 1 is my favorite too.

I hope everyone here reads Jim's comments above because they are really great pointers about how to make a great composition.

Jul 09, 2013 at 10:56 PM

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p.1 #10 · p.1 #10 · White Horse

JimFox wrote:
Hey Tim,

Not really true in regards to IE vs Chrome, etc.. It depends on how it was processed because I am viewing these shots in IE and they look fine to me.

Jim
What Jim said. Just right color

Jul 09, 2013 at 11:22 PM

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p.1 #11 · p.1 #11 · White Horse

Well done! This is one of my favorite falls over there. A long time ago I posted one from here with lower water flow, but ever other visit has had big flow like this. I'm not sure what the difference was then - but I know it was about the time Diamond Lake was "poisoned" and maybe something done there affected things?

Jul 09, 2013 at 11:39 PM

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p.1 #12 · p.1 #12 · White Horse

dswiger wrote:
What Jim said. Just right color

This thread is getting to be quite heavy with people named _im

...Let me rephrase: IE doesn't always have oversaturated colors, but sometimes I'll come across a photo that looks way over the top, but no one has said anything about the color. At that point I move over to Chrome or Firefox and the photo looks more normally processed. In the case of this photo, I didn't look at in IE, and it looked fine in Chrome.

Tim

Jul 10, 2013 at 12:34 AM

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p.1 #13 · p.1 #13 · White Horse

Thanks to all (and all the _ims :-) ) who provided great feed back. I just realized that I didn't provide camera info. I shot with a d600 and a 24-70 at 24mm and f11. I also exposure bracketed.

I also appreciate Jim Fox's detailed analysis. In response to some of Jim F's Qs,:

Image with runoff - yeah, I wanted to move further over, but to do so would have put me in thigh deep raging current. I actually would have considered it but there was also a 6 feet or so drop. This would have put the log blocking the fall. So I ruled that one out. And no, I didn't even think about in front of the logs. It looked pretty deep.

Jul 10, 2013 at 06:49 AM

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p.1 #14 · p.1 #14 · White Horse

I agree with _im on all points, but _im's analysis is somewhat flawed.

Seriously, though, I prefer #3 because it has a better front-to-back flow compositionally. The lines of the logs connect with other lines in the rocks to take the eye right to the falls. Conversely, in #1, the lines of the logs lead the eye out of the frame on either side; they don't connect as well with the rest of the comp and are more like visual barriers than structural components. Likewise in #2, the log acts as a barrier cutting across the frame.

So yeah, #3 for me, but you might consider bringing down those bright foreground tones so that they don't compete with the falls.

Jul 10, 2013 at 07:43 AM

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p.1 #15 · p.1 #15 · White Horse

JimFox wrote:
Hey Tim,

Not really true in regards to IE vs Chrome, etc.. It depends on how it was processed because I am viewing these shots in IE and they look fine to me.

Jim

You are both right in different regards.

IE isn't color managed while Chrome is, but this only creates an issue when you're viewing with a wide gamut monitor. If you have a wide gamut monitor and you're viewing in IE, everything will look terribly oversaturated as opposed to Chrome. 99% of people are viewing on standard sRGB monitors though, so IE looks just fine.

Jul 10, 2013 at 08:53 AM

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p.1 #16 · p.1 #16 · White Horse

Colours and saturation look fine to me too and I LOVE the first shot. In my opinion the composition is right on. I really like the foreground logs and the bottom right corner where the water swirls a bit and the falls themselves look great too.
I'm not a big fan of the second or third shot you posted. In the second one, what bothers me most is the fallen log that essentially splits the frame in to two. It feels disjointed to me.
The third shot feels too "distant" and doesn't quite have that "in your face" foreground full of rich textures that the first image has.

Jul 10, 2013 at 09:29 AM

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p.1 #17 · p.1 #17 · White Horse

I think I'm going to start up another thread in the processing forum on the monitor issues. And I appreciate all your comments on the composition. I admire the photos that you guys put on this forum, so getting positive comments is rewarding.

Jul 10, 2013 at 12:02 PM

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p.1 #18 · p.1 #18 · White Horse

They look great to me, I wish I had taken them

Cheers Ray

Jul 10, 2013 at 05:56 PM

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p.1 #19 · p.1 #19 · White Horse

Phrasikleia wrote:
I agree with _im on all points, but _im's analysis is somewhat flawed.

Ha ha...

Jul 10, 2013 at 06:02 PM

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p.1 #20 · p.1 #20 · White Horse

JimKied wrote:
I think I'm going to start up another thread in the processing forum on the monitor issues. And I appreciate all your comments on the composition. I admire the photos that you guys put on this forum, so getting positive comments is rewarding.

Hey Jim,

Threads have been written and questions have been asked about color issues a dozen fold, I really hate to say it like this... but it is, what it is... Nothing in the short term will change, fortunately most of us run IE on normal run of the mill monitors, so it's not that big of an issue. If you just are curious and have questions, do a search on it, you will find threads even here in the Landscape Forum that it's discussed to death in.

Jim

Jul 10, 2013 at 06:06 PM

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