saneproduction wrote:
The 5DIII is a great camera for those of us that don't need 1DX frame rate, spot metering per AF point or 1 series build but want almost everything else and for half the cost. It is a really great body for $3k. Yes I would love a 1DX someday, but my "mini 1 series" is really great.
Not replying to you specifically, but to a string of recent sort-of-similar posts. No one said that the 5D3 is not "better" than the 5D2. The point was that its betterness for certain types of usage is not enough that it makes sense for quite a few 5D2 owners to upgrade. I'm in that category, though I did write earlier that if I had no full frame DSLR in this category and I had to buy a new I would happily get a 5D3.
I would not "upgrade" from my 5D2 to the 5D3 for my purposes, but I've written frequently that I regard the 5D3 as very fine camera.
I was really on the fence about the 5DII to 5DIII, but in the end the features were worth it. I 100% agree that it may not be worth it to everyone. The title of the thread ".. Not much better than the 5DII" does not seem accurate to me. The improvement in AF alone = much better to me. Add the other improvements and the 5DIII is a real refinement of the 5DII.
David Baldwin wrote:
The issue is though, if you already had a 5D2, and don't need the best AF or video capability then the 5D3 release was a bit disappointing. If the 5D3 had increased its resolution over the 5D2 we would not be having this thread.
For some of you I fully appreciate the 5D3 was a major upgrade, but by the same token, for many of us it seems hardly an upgrade at all. Thats really what we are talking about.
Correct. Ideal camera: 5D MkIII features and D800E sensor (at least for me). Those threads simply wouldn't exist - or only with people who would then complain about larger file sizes and a bit slower fps (at least in the past the 5D series was never made to do fast shooting as compared to the 7D for example).
I don't see the 5DIII as being able to do everything, this is why so many people have one and keep a crop camera such as 7D. Unless you can afford the huge high priced lenses, a full fame can NOT get close enough to birds in flight, Ive used one with my 100-400, The 7D did a better job
form wrote:
ISO3200 from last wedding, not a scientific test but a rough comparison:
http://www.joeyallenphoto.com/5d2vs5d3-3200.jpg
In this, the 5d3 looks better for DR but maybe only slightly better for actual noise quantity. It's also possible part of the DR difference is because the 5d2 image is slightly brighter at base.
Sorry you have a defective camera or something else is wrong, as that's far worse than I see even on a 7D at ISO3200 and at ISO 6400 on my 5D III.
form wrote:
ISO3200 from last wedding, not a scientific test but a rough comparison:
http://www.joeyallenphoto.com/5d2vs5d3-3200.jpg
In this, the 5d3 looks better for DR but maybe only slightly better for actual noise quantity. It's also possible part of the DR difference is because the 5d2 image is slightly brighter at base.
The 5D3 shot looks like it has a bit of camera shake on it?
Perfectly prepared to believe the 5D3 would have done it better, but I don't think the 5d2 image of the suits is fair to that camera, for what its worth.
David Baldwin wrote:
The 5D3 is clearly the most rounded and comprehensive DSLR Canon make. No doubt.
The issue is though, if you already had a 5D2, and don't need the best AF or video capability then the 5D3 release was a bit disappointing. If the 5D3 had increased its resolution over the 5D2 we would not be having this thread.
For some of you I fully appreciate the 5D3 was a major upgrade, but by the same token, for many of us it seems hardly an upgrade at all. Thats really what we are talking about.
Speaking entirely personally I would prefer a 6D to a 5D3 due to the formers better high ISO performance, but thats just me....Show more →
The problem is with Canon's current sensor technology, any more mp (to equal the D800) would result in a dramatic loss of IQ. Can you imagine if Canon had released that high mp body in place of the 5D3 as we know it? The only feasibly upgrades Canon could make was to the overall body, not increase IQ or mp much.
David Baldwin wrote:
Perfectly prepared to believe the 5D3 would have done it better, but I don't think the 5d2 image of the suits is fair to that camera, for what its worth.
There's more to noise than just ISO, for instance I can set the ISO to 3200 but if one photo is shutter speed 1/100 and the other 1/1000, the shorter shutter speed will have less noise.
" Can you imagine if Canon had released that high mp body in place of the 5D3 as we know it?"
Well, I don't know if it would have been easily possible for Canon to release say a 30 mpx body, but my point really is that for some users of the 5D2 the 5D3 doesn't appear to add that much. Increased resolution would have thrown such people a bone.
"There's more to noise than just ISO, for instance I can set the ISO to 3200 but if one photo is shutter speed 1/100 and the other 1/1000, the shorter shutter speed will have less noise."
You may well be right. My point here is that the 5D3 does have better ISO 6400 performance than the 5D2, but how much better, and also how inferior to the 6D? For some users the 5D3 appears definitively better than the 5D2, for others not. Its the first time I can remember that a major body upgrade has served some of its predecessors user base, but not others. Hence threads like this.
David Baldwin wrote:
" Can you imagine if Canon had released that high mp body in place of the 5D3 as we know it?"
Well, I don't know if it would have been easily possible for Canon to release say a 30 mpx body, but my point really is that for some users of the 5D2 the 5D3 doesn't appear to add that much. Increased resolution would have thrown such people a bone.
As I've written before (probably too many times, but this is a photography forum!), for me the other improvements - and they are improvements - were not enough to make me consider upgrading from the 5D2 to the 5D3. Probably 80% or more of my photography is from the tripod, often using live view, and for that sort of work the 5D3 offers no significant advantage. The other 20% includes low light event photography, wildlife, a bit of sports, and so on... and in 1 1/2 of those (you get to figure out which) the 5D3 should offer some improvement... but I can photograph those subjects quite will with the current camera, too.
Increased resolution was the one thing that - again, for my work - would have induced me to move from a 5D2 to an upgraded camera, though the magnitude of the increase would have made a difference. Believing that such a higher MP camera will come, it makes more sense for me to continue using the 5D2 until that time.
I shot most photos from yesterday's wedding with the 5d3. While people were dancing in an environment with especially low light - say 1/125 ISO6400 f/1.6 - there were times when I was misled to believe that the AI Servo tracking system was actually working. however, when examining the photos in review I found about ~90% of them to be completely out of focus. When I switched to one shot, I got much better focus results (actually locking, for instance, but of course only with flash AF assist) - however, I could not track the subjects, so I had to lock focus, then try to guesstimate when the moving subjects approximately returned to the position they were focused at, then click. Except for being able to do this with outer points, this is basically the same workaround as I have had to do with my 5d2s for years.
form wrote:
ISO3200 from last wedding, not a scientific test but a rough comparison:
http://www.joeyallenphoto.com/5d2vs5d3-3200.jpg
In this, the 5d3 looks better for DR but maybe only slightly better for actual noise quantity. It's also possible part of the DR difference is because the 5d2 image is slightly brighter at base.
I see quite a bit more noise in the 5DII shot, not only less DR.
form wrote:
I shot most photos from yesterday's wedding with the 5d3. While people were dancing in an environment with especially low light - say 1/125 ISO6400 f/1.6 - there were times when I was misled to believe that the AI Servo tracking system was actually working. however, when examining the photos in review I found about ~90% of them to be completely out of focus. When I switched to one shot, I got much better focus results (actually locking, for instance, but of course only with flash AF assist) - however, I could not track the subjects, so I had to lock focus, then try to guesstimate when the moving subjects approximately returned to the position they were focused at, then click. Except for being able to do this with outer points, this is basically the same workaround as I have had to do with my 5d2s for years....Show more →
I had the same experience at the beginning, a few goes with the AF configuration made the trick. No locking or else required. Just the AF in AI Servo makes it at ISOs of up to 12800, f1.8 at 1/200.
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