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Nero
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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · Help with B&W conversion...


Would anyone be willing to give me a hand with a b&w conversion? I am starting with the following image:
http://mdobossy.student.princeton.edu/~nero/meadowcolor.jpg


Using a hue saturation adjustment layer, and a selective color adjustment layer, I was able to come up with this, which I think is good, but from seeing some of the things everyone here does, I suspect can be much better (BTW: this is my first ever attempt at converting to B&W):
http://mdobossy.student.princeton.edu/~nero/bestOfGrand/theMeadows.jpg


Any attempts and description of what you did would be greatly appreciated!!

Thanks!



Aug 13, 2004 at 09:32 AM
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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · Help with B&W conversion...


Hi Mark,

I took a shot at converting your gorgeous photo

I think if you want a good B&W conversion, you have to start with the best color image you can, and I saw room for improvement in your color image. Things that struck me right off the bat were that colors weren't super saturated, there is a blueish cast to it, it's a tad dark, and not sharp. I first corrected those things before doing any b&w conversion. I bumped the saturation by 30, then I used a color balance adjustment layer and "warmed" the image with some subtle reds and oranges.

I used a channel mixer adjustment layer to go to black and white, with monochrome checked and 80% red, 20% green, and 0% blue. It still seemed a bit dark, so I used a curves adjustment and brightened it a bit. I sharpend it a tad at the end, something like 20%, 5, 0, and 150%, 0.2, 0, and that's it. I've added some noise with my corrections, but I suspect working with a tiff converted from raw you could avoid a lot, especially if you bumbed the saturation in the raw, and corrected the color cast and exposure there first.

Feel free to critique what I've done as well.

http://www.anti-rejection.com/meadowcolor-1.jpg




Aug 13, 2004 at 10:21 AM
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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · Help with B&W conversion...


Thanks so much Digital Matt! Looks fantastic. I thought my color was close, but it seems like they always have room for improvement . As for the sharpness, the original is much sharper.. I think when I reduced it down and re-saved, it came out a little less sharp.

Unfortunately, I didnt shoot that particular series in RAW. I was limited to 1 512 meg card, and the altitude was high enough that for 4 days, at 11,000 feet, I couldnt use my PSD, so I shot in jpeg for those 4 days..

I'll give your method a try, and see what I can come up with on the original.. should be a little sharper. Thanks again!



Aug 13, 2004 at 10:33 AM
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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · Help with B&W conversion...


Your welcome Mark. When you resize photos for the web, you should sharpen them again, because they always lose some detail. As I said before, this is a beautiful shot. Good luck


Aug 13, 2004 at 10:40 AM
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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · Help with B&W conversion...


Always use the Channel mixer in photoshop. Do not make the image monochrome - its wrong! This is the recommendation from Adobe themselves. The reason why is that by using the channel mix you are still keeping colour information in the image, which most printers need in order to print an accurate picture. If you turn the file into a monochrome image, you throw all of the colour info out, and when you go to process the file, it has to create new colour info. This is not good.


Aug 13, 2004 at 03:45 PM
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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · Help with B&W conversion...


I think your first try looks pretty good. To my eyes a bit more contrast wouldn't hurt but in your place I wouldn't necessarily try to please me. Matt's version is on the crispy side (too much USM) for my taste. As for tonality...this is very subjective. There is no "correct" b&w look. I wouldn't worry about conforming to any particular look or even any particular conversion technique. What I would do is visit the bookstore or the library or, best of all, a gallery or museum and study lots of photos. Find photos with looks you like and try to figure out what exactly it is about the tonality that appeals to you. Some people like soft contrast, others hard. Some people like fine tonal gradation, others prefer a harsher image. Etc. Then it's a matter of translating what you like to Photoshop or whatever software you're using.

-Dave-



Aug 13, 2004 at 04:33 PM
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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · Help with B&W conversion...


I agree with Digital Matt is concerned as far as only adding in Red and Green channels only. I first used an unsharp mask to enhance the original image. I then overlayed the Red and Green channels over a composite grayscale base to create the following BW (I'm new to BW too). I like a little brighter sky, so that is what the result was. I created the base grayscale layer by using VanDerLee's Unplugged color filter weighed grayscale (http://www.v-d-l.com/up.html). The other two layers were created using GIMP's channel mixer filter (Red and Green only). I then overlayed the Red and Green layers as lighten only to achieve this result. Though I did not do it here, a program like Neatimage could be used to clean up some of the noise in the sky. Anyway, what do you all think of the result below?

park.jpg



To see the full resolution image, just click on the image. You may have to hover your mouse cursor over the lower right side of the image in order to click on the image expand button so see the "Big picture" when you do so.



Edited by lylejk on Aug 14, 2004 at 01:30 AM GMT



Aug 14, 2004 at 01:24 AM
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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · Help with B&W conversion...


Do you like a little tone in your B/W?

Here is a version with Johnny's B/W action:
http://kajmonty.com/stl-web/gallery/albums/Post/acw.jpg



Aug 14, 2004 at 01:27 AM
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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · Help with B&W conversion...


Here is another way of rendering B/W. Since it is truly black and white, the rendering is also xerox capable (also prints quite well on laser). Since I outlined this technique in earlier posts, I won't rehash here. The big picture will print out as 5.33" X 3.55".

meadowcolor-bw.png



To see the full resolution image, just click on the image. You may have to hover your mouse cursor over the lower right side of the image in order to click on the image expand button so see the "Big picture" when you do so.





Aug 14, 2004 at 12:09 PM
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p.1 #10 · p.1 #10 · Help with B&W conversion...


FWIW here's a version I made last night. I took a bit of cyan and magenta out of the sky, then ran the image through a red filter in Photoshop (Image > Adjustments > Photo Filter) and desaturated. This was followed by adding a bit of brown/red tone via Curves, then a simple Levels adjustment. All of this was done via Layers in 16-bit mode.

http://home.twmi.rr.com/davesden/Graphics/MeadowColor_Dave.jpg

-Dave-



Aug 14, 2004 at 08:18 PM
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p.1 #11 · p.1 #11 · Help with B&W conversion...


Hey Nero. I've been spending some time at the People Photography site and got some good advice on this subject from noeljackson

https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/121335#976127



Aug 17, 2004 at 12:35 AM
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p.1 #12 · p.1 #12 · Help with B&W conversion...


Here is a conversion I did using the Imaging Factory Pro Converter.
red filter, Agfa profile.
The did a curves adjustment to bring down the highlights a bit and open up the shadow on the side of the mountain.

Finally, used the photokit sharpener web output sharpening.

One Man's View
David



Aug 17, 2004 at 12:14 PM
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p.1 #13 · p.1 #13 · Help with B&W conversion...


I have to admit that this method brings out the details in the shadow areas; it just seems that the overall look feels a little bland though. Can't put my finger an it yet, but I think the overall contrast is too even (darks and lights match too closely between the transitions). Particularly the levels between the trail and the grassy area.


Aug 17, 2004 at 12:48 PM





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