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Tariq Gibran wrote: I think the sensationalist thread title invites "petty" comments since there is actually NO comparison here between the two cameras

Hello Tariq: The internet is full of opinions and you are certainly entitled to yours. Looking at your profile your gear line up is extensive. And I'm sure you have found that each of your cameras provide you with different outcomes. In the end it's all about capturing the image and being satisfied with what you have. To that end you can compare the two cameras. There are many things on the D800 that are supierior and there are things on the Fuji that are better than than the D800. To me all I really care about is capturing a moment in life. The Fuji and it's form factor is allowing me to capture more images in a style that I prefer so in that regard compared to my D800 the Fuji XE-1 is better for me. Just my opinion.
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Apr 10, 2013 at 11:21 AM

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p.2 #2 · p.2 #2 · My Fuji XE-1 outperforms my D800......

Alt junkies are a pretty tough crowd when it comes to expecting an objective comparative analysis. I think the thread title had us leaning that way a bit.

That being said ... you make a compelling case regarding the subjective/objective rationale (vs. a head-to-head). One that I've been wondering about myself.

It kinda reminds me of getting a lens with 95% of the performance for 30% the price. It looks like the XE-1 is an excellent bang for the buck (size & weight) performer. I'm looking for something I can tote with me when I'm with family or not wanting to do the pack mule thing (dual platform possibly). How is the shutter response / shutter lag (personal pet peeve)?

BTW, is there any mount compatibility (adapted/electronics/etc.) between the XE-1 and F mount glass?

Thanks for sharing.

Apr 10, 2013 at 11:26 AM

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p.2 #3 · p.2 #3 · My Fuji XE-1 outperforms my D800......

It seems like a completely sane and valid comparrison to me. Why is comparing the finest grades of IQ, which is way beyond the needs of most photographers most of the time, any more valid than comparing portability/ergonomics/tendency and ease of use?

I'm not suggesting that even the most refined and arcane IQ comparrisons are not interesting, but 'user' comparrisons are also worth hearing about.

Apr 10, 2013 at 11:48 AM

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p.2 #4 · p.2 #4 · My Fuji XE-1 outperforms my D800......

RustyBug wrote:
It kinda reminds me of getting a lens with 95% of the performance for 30% the price. It looks like the XE-1 is an excellent bang for the buck (size & weight) performer. I'm looking for something I can tote with me when I'm with family or not wanting to do the pack mule thing (dual platform possibly).

Having owned the D800E (and a number of Fujis - X100S, X-Pro1), it's really NOT the case one is going to get really close to that performance. Yes, in the hands of a skilled user - such as the OP'r - one can of course get great images from even a pinhole camera

but AF, resolution, speed, versatility and so on will not come close to a D800E (as long as you don't end up with a defective D800 that is!). All that said, it's about the right tool for the task and, as everyone has echoed, the camera that gets the shot is the one you have with you.

I too am in the process of shopping for an all around, small compact/ take everywhere camera at the moment. The only Fuji I have used thus far that would fit that bill is probably the X100(S) since the X-Pro1/ XE-1 is really not that small at all, particularly with lens (yes, it's obviously smaller than a D800). It is light in weight though. For myself, I'm deciding between the Nikon Coolpix A (If I really want APS IQ in a really small package) or maybe some of the less expensive P&S's (Pentax MX1, Sony RX100). My reasoning is that if I set aside the room for something like an XE-1/ X-Pro 1 size wise, I would be just as well off bringing my Pentax K5 DSLR + pancake limited's. My experience is that I simply will not carry anything larger than the Fuji X100's around with me everywhere at all times, and on every family outing. Just my opinion though.

Apr 10, 2013 at 12:17 PM

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p.2 #5 · p.2 #5 · My Fuji XE-1 outperforms my D800......

I think we've been brainwashed by years of clear FF DSLR superiority into thinking we must have the absolute highest performance and versatility at all times. At least, that's the pattern that I'm fighting. Now that there are plenty of high performing mirrorless options out there, the real issue for me is coming to grips with the fact that I probably don't really need all the power a D800 provides. I like it, don't get me wrong, but I probably don't need it.

All of this said, I don't think there are many people who would suggest the D800 is a great choice for family travel photography in the first place

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p.2 #6 · p.2 #6 · My Fuji XE-1 outperforms my D800......

allstarimaging wrote:
Tariq Gibran wrote: I think the sensationalist thread title invites "petty" comments since there is actually NO comparison here between the two cameras

Hello Tariq: The internet is full of opinions and you are certainly entitled to yours. Looking at your profile your gear line up is extensive. And I'm sure you have found that each of your cameras provide you with different outcomes. In the end it's all about capturing the image and being satisfied with what you have. To that end you can compare the two cameras. There are many things on the D800 that are supierior and there...Show more →

All that matter's is that you're happy with it in the end.

Apr 10, 2013 at 01:17 PM

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p.2 #7 · p.2 #7 · My Fuji XE-1 outperforms my D800......

Well said. For me, it was a toss up between a compact and lightweight system camera (viz the OM-D) ... or upgrading from a 5D II to a 5D III. At the end of the day, the OM-D won. Is the OM-D a better camera than the 5D III? Of course not ... but for what I do, the OM-D certainly fits my needs better than any FF DSLR.

itai195 wrote:
I think we've been brainwashed by years of clear FF DSLR superiority into thinking we must have the absolute highest performance and versatility at all times. At least, that's the pattern that I'm fighting. Now that there are plenty of high performing mirrorless options out there, the real issue for me is coming to grips with the fact that I probably don't really need all the power a D800 provides. I like it, don't get me wrong, but I probably don't need it.

Apr 10, 2013 at 01:34 PM

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p.2 #8 · p.2 #8 · My Fuji XE-1 outperforms my D800......

Would the ability to use "M" mount glass (it is the Alt Forum) be considered "superior" to the D800's mounting capabilities?

Apr 10, 2013 at 01:42 PM

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Would the ability to use "M" mount glass (it is the Alt Forum) be considered "superior" to the D800's mounting capabilities?

Unless there is a huge difference between the XE-1 and X-Pro1 sensor (I don't believe there is in this respect), the X-Pro1 that I owned did not play very well with wide M mount lenses (blurry edges due to the sensor not being designed for traditional M mount wide angle lenses...and you would require a wide just to end up with a normal AOV on APS). I have the adapter laying around here somewhere which I used maybe once!

Apr 10, 2013 at 01:57 PM

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p.2 #10 · p.2 #10 · My Fuji XE-1 outperforms my D800......

allstarimaging wrote:
Tariq Gibran wrote: I think the sensationalist thread title invites "petty" comments since there is actually NO comparison here between the two cameras

Hello Tariq: The internet is full of opinions and you are certainly entitled to yours. Looking at your profile your gear line up is extensive. And I'm sure you have found that each of your cameras provide you with different outcomes. In the end it's all about capturing the image and being satisfied with what you have. To that end you can compare the two cameras. There are many things on the D800 that are supierior and there...Show more →

You're a dork. Just my opinion. Oh, and the pics are lovely.

Mike

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p.2 #11 · p.2 #11 · My Fuji XE-1 outperforms my D800......

"My Fuji XE-1 outperforms my D800......"

... in portability. Duh.

Apr 10, 2013 at 02:08 PM

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p.2 #12 · p.2 #12 · My Fuji XE-1 outperforms my D800......

Tariq Gibran wrote:
All that matter's is that you're happy with it in the end.

I'm just curious though, in what areas do you find the Fuji "outperforming" the Nikon? I completely get the whole size, weight, carry-ability/ form factor argument but in regard to actual objective performance, where do you see the Fuji being superior (and I'm just stressing performance as that's what is mentioned in the thread title)?

For people such as myself with a substantial Leica R arsenal, there is a big advantage of being able to use all of this glass on my Fujifilm X-E1 with only my Novoflex R to Fuji Adapter (and the Novoflex rotating collar). To use all of the Leica R glass on a Nikon I would have to Leitax or equivalent all of the lenses and (and with difficulty use my Leica R 1.4X and 2X Apo extenders) for a substantial additional outlay of money. Additionally, with the Fujifilm camera I can work, focus and meter easily with my Leica lenses. With the Nikon, it would be much more challenging to do this with my manual focus Leica R lenses. Additionally, once Leitaxed I could not use my Leica R lenses on my Leica R film cameras.

My Fujifilm 14mm f2.8 lens is a stellar performer to add to my Leica glass. It is the only Fujifilm lens that I have.

By the way, I am still waiting for a FF mirrorless camera for my Leica R glass due to the difficulties in using the manual focus lenses at stopped down apertures. Unfortunately for me the Leica M240 did not prove to be the Leica R "solution" that I had hoped that it would be. So, for me, I still bide my time with the Fujifilm X-E1 that I anticipate will become my second camera/body once a suitable FF camera is released.

Rich

Apr 10, 2013 at 02:14 PM

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p.2 #13 · p.2 #13 · My Fuji XE-1 outperforms my D800......

Tariq wrote: where do you see the Fuji being superior (and I'm just stressing performance as that's what is mentioned in the thread title)?

also:

To me the Fuji system outperforms my D800 in the following ways:

1) Exposure- The metering system on the Fuji is very accurate and seems to consistently provide better out of the camera exposures.
2) White balance- The Fuji nails white balance almost every time.
3) Color- I prefer the Fuji color more than Nikon.
4) JPEGS_ When I'm taking the type of shots I've posted I'm not interested in shooting RAW and spending hours processing images. I want clean well exposed jpegs and the Fuji jpegs are way better than my D800.
5) File size- With the Fuji I can shoot, hook into my IPAD and just process the files in IPHOTO. One click on auto enhance and I'm done. I don't need billboard file sizes that crush my computer.
6) The 35 1.4 is as good as any Nikon lens that I have.

Jack

Apr 10, 2013 at 02:21 PM

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Apr 10, 2013 at 02:27 PM

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p.2 #15 · p.2 #15 · My Fuji XE-1 outperforms my D800......

allstarimaging wrote:
1) Exposure- The metering system on the Fuji is very accurate and seems to consistently provide better out of the camera exposures.
2) White balance- The Fuji nails white balance almost every time.
3) Color- I prefer the Fuji color more than Nikon.

I find these interesting points ... particularly given that they are coming from a film mfr.

Kodak's knowledge of color seems to have gotten lost in the technological advances of the digital era and business model issues (I'm still using my SLR/c). In shooting with the FujiFilm (was also my first digital bridge camera way back when), do you feel that their understanding of light & color relative to film is showing up in their recent digital camera offerings?

Back in the day, I shot FujiChrome 50 on a Nikon FE. It was a combination of great metering with great color and great simplicity (with interchangeable lenses). I'm beginning to think that the likes of the Fuji body might be reminiscent of that which used to seem so natural. Shutter dial on top, aperture on lens, meter, shoot, go. Any chance they've got a "match needle" metering system too.

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zapatista wrote:
Have you thought about the speed booster with the Leica R glass and your XE-1. BTW, got the 14mm yesterday and it's quite the lens!

No, I haven't thought about a Speed Booster for the camera and my Leica R glass. I would probably only find it useful with some of my wide angle R lenses. I don't want to perform surgery on some of the lenses. Tests that I have seen with the Speed Booster with the R lenses lose some sharpness at the edges and the corners.

Rich

Apr 10, 2013 at 02:34 PM

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naturephoto1 wrote:
For people such as myself with a substantial Leica R arsenal, there is a big advantage of being able to use all of this glass on my Fujifilm X-E1 with only my Novoflex R to Fuji Adapter (and the Novoflex rotating collar). To use all of the Leica R glass on a Nikon I would have to Leitax or equivalent all of the lenses and (and with difficulty use my Leica R 1.4X and 2X Apo extenders) for a substantial additional outlay of money. Additionally, with the Fujifilm camera I can work, focus and meter easily with my Leica lenses....Show more →

Everything that I have seen posted from that Fuji 14mm lens looks outstanding!

When i owned the X-Pro1, I did try out my Leica R 50 Summicron on it. It was quite a cumbersome combination, and that was just the 50/2. I had a fairly similar experience using it on the NEX-7. The Leitax adapters can get expensive - and it certainly would be a pain to remove when shooting with an R film camera regularly - but I found that lens ergonomically better on a DSLR msyelf with regard to handling (though I can understand the EVF advantage here with focusing).

http://www.gibranstudio.com/xpl1.jpg

Apr 10, 2013 at 02:37 PM

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p.2 #18 · p.2 #18 · My Fuji XE-1 outperforms my D800......

allstarimaging wrote:
Tariq wrote: where do you see the Fuji being superior (and I'm just stressing performance as that's what is mentioned in the thread title)?

also:

To me the Fuji system outperforms my D800 in the following ways:

1) Exposure- The metering system on the Fuji is very accurate and seems to consistently provide better out of the camera exposures.
2) White balance- The Fuji nails white balance almost every time.
3) Color- I prefer the Fuji color more than Nikon.
4) JPEGS_ When I'm taking the type of shots I've posted I'm not interested in shooting RAW and spending hours processing images. I want clean...Show more →

Thanks for the reply. I agree with most of those, particularly with regard to default color (3). Fuji really knows color! I can see the advantage for someone who mostly intends to use ooc jpegs.

For myself, even when I'm only shooting travel/vacation/ family stuff, I'm always shooting raw because I never know what I might end up wanting to use the images for at some point. So, I would never be shooting (4) jpegs, (2) would always be correcting WB during raw conversion, (5) no longer care about file size as memory is cheap and even my MBP Retina has no issues with anything I have thrown at it yet, and (6) Fuji makes great lenses when they want to.

Apr 10, 2013 at 02:53 PM

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p.2 #19 · p.2 #19 · My Fuji XE-1 outperforms my D800......

Numbers 1-5 are all about convenience and speed aimed at getting personally preferred jpegs, which, jpeg being a miserable 8 bit reduced gamut format, actually need WB, etc. to be very good OOC - because there is no fallback option whatsoever.

And indeed that is why the dude with the knife has a beard as black as a coal mine with no detail in it and the table, the what looks like fish and the car behind are blown at the highlight end, and there is clipping in many others shown here. These details are now gone never to return, if these are OOC jpegs.

Number 6 is a comment on Nikon's lenses at the FL equivalent of 50mm, right?
You can mount some of the finest 50mm lenses made on the highest resolution, state of the art camera currently available, either out of the box with auto aperture or with 30 minutes work putting on a mount. The D800, and I am no special fan of Nikon, is the .44 Magmum of sub-medium format camera performance with the best lenses in front of it. Just for starters these include Leica Summicron 50/2, ZF 50/1.4 or ZF 50/2, a kit that would satisfy all but the pickiest and cashed up medium format pros.

It's good that people enjoy the convenience of jpeg oriented cameras and usability is a personal matter, many small cameras are real fun - but 'performance' is actually measurable, and in the real world it's not even close. It really depends what you are looking for, what output you may want in the future, whether you print large, and so on.

'In the end it's all about capturing the image and being satisfied with what you have.'

So might say many phone camera and compact users at a guess, but for a lot of folks it's about the joy of selecting and using fine equipment so they can capture images that can be optimised to their full potential - that is the enthusiast's approach.

Now if the thread was called: 'My Fuji XE-1 outhandles my D800', or 'My Fuji XE-1 makes better jpegs than my D800' or 'My Fuji XE-1 fits my pockets better than my D800' who could quibble - no one. Me, I'd feel physically sick if I came back from a trip with a bunch of jpegs.

Apr 10, 2013 at 11:34 PM

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My iPhone 5 outperforms my D3s.

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