Mescalamba wrote:
Keeping stuff with active coal (hope its right name) helps getting rid of that stench.
Otherwise it doesnt have any effect apart from that..
Wanna bet? I used to smoke. When I quit, I moved from my apartment because of the smell. I pitched the bed and mattress. I had to wash all my clothes twice. Drapes were pitched, even after dry-cleaning. The discoloration was apparently permanent.
Activated charcoal cannot reach the innards of cameras and other gear to remove the stench. A friend stopped smoking and had to pitch a computer. Everything inside was coated with gunk. Every time he started it, he had to shut it down.
runamuck wrote:
Wanna bet? I used to smoke. When I quit, I moved from my apartment because of the smell. I pitched the bed and mattress. I had to wash all my clothes twice. Drapes were pitched, even after dry-cleaning. The discoloration was apparently permanent.
Activated charcoal cannot reach the innards of cameras and other gear to remove the stench. A friend stopped smoking and had to pitch a computer. Everything inside was coated with gunk. Every time he started it, he had to shut it down.
In case you didn't know, nicotine is a poison.
Should been more specific. Keeping gear of smoker after he sold it to you in small airtight space with active charcoal for some time should help. Tho I guess it depends how heavy smoker was previous owner. I bought one like this and its fine now (tho wasnt horrible before either).
Yep I know its poison. Very efficient on certain plant bugs too. I prefer nargileh/hookah over cigarettes.
It's not the nicotine that kills either the people or the camera gear...
What are you smoking
The LD50 of nicotine is 50 mg/kg for rats and 3 mg/kg for mice. 30–60 mg (0.5–1.0 mg/kg) can be a lethal dosage for adult humans.[6][71] Nicotine therefore has a high toxicity in comparison to many other alkaloids such as cocaine, which has an LD50 of 95.1 mg/kg when administered to mice. It is unlikely that a person would overdose on nicotine through smoking alone, although overdose can occur through combined use of nicotine patches or nicotine gum and cigarettes at the same time.[7] Spilling a high concentration of nicotine onto the skin can cause intoxication or even death, since nicotine readily passes into the bloodstream following dermal contact.[72]
Historically, nicotine has not been regarded as a carcinogen and the IARC has not evaluated nicotine in its standalone form and assigned it to an official carcinogen group. While no epidemiological evidence supports that nicotine alone acts as a carcinogen in the formation of human cancer, research over the last decade has identified nicotine's carcinogenic potential in animal models and cell culture.[73][74] Nicotine has been noted to directly cause cancer through a number of different mechanisms such as the activation of MAP Kinases.[75] Indirectly, nicotine increases cholinergic signalling (and adrenergic signalling in the case of colon cancer[76]), thereby impeding apoptosis (programmed cell death), promoting tumor growth, and activating growth factors and cellular mitogenic factors such as 5-LOX, and EGF. Nicotine also promotes cancer growth by stimulating angiogenesis and neovascularization.[77][78] In one study, nicotine administered to mice with tumors caused increases in tumor size (twofold increase), metastasis (nine-fold increase), and tumor recurrence (threefold increase).[79]
The teratogenic properties of nicotine has been investigated. According to a study of ca. 77,000 pregnant women in Denmark, women who used nicotine gum and patches during the early stages of pregnancy were found to face an increased risk of having babies with birth defects. The study showed that women who used nicotine-replacement therapy in the first 12 weeks of pregnancy had a 60% greater risk of having babies with birth defects compared to women who were non-smokers.
Nicotine use among pregnant women has also been correlated to increased frequency of ADHD. Children born to mothers who used tobacco were two and a half times more likely to be diagnosed with ADHD.[80] Froelich estimated that "exposure to higher levels of lead and prenatal tobacco each accounted for 500,000 additional cases of ADHD in U.S. children".[81]
Effective April 1, 1990, the Office of Environmental Health Hazard Assessment (OEHHA) of the California Environmental Protection Agency added nicotine to the list of chemicals known to cause developmental toxicity.[82]
The most dangerous thing about nicotine isn't merely that it's poisonous, but that it rapidly (and near permanently) re-wires your brain to insist on dumping poisons/particulates/radioisotopes into your body over and over again.
If your alt glass is encouraging you to ingest poison several times a day, then you're definitely getting different results from your lenses than I am...
My mother used to manage a small apartment complex and I used to paint apartments between tenants. If you didn't scrub the walls at least twice with TSP, the paint wouldn't even stick...it was like trying to paint over vaseline. And, even with the TSP washes, if you didn't paint multiple coats of Kilz before using paint, the nicotine would bleed through. It was at least 5X as much work painting after a smoker vs a non-smoker. I won't buy anything from a smoking household.
When the old 20d was the camera rage, I picked up an extra body from a local guy on craigslist, my wife kept asking what that smell in the living room was. Well it was that camera body, we tried everything including putting in a sealed container with baking soda to soak up the odor. Finally put it in the garage and sold it. I just couldn't use it, every time I put the camera up to my eye to take the shot all you did was smell cigarettes.
mpmendenhall wrote:
If your alt glass is encouraging you to ingest poison several times a day, then you're definitely getting different results from your lenses than I am...
I was only commenting on the habit forming aspect of Alt glass.
My wife took a small bureau from the family next door when the elder matriarch passed away 15 years ago. She was a smoker. That bureau still smells to this day and if my wife hadn't loaded it with crap, I'd toss it to the curb. And I'm an ex-smoker.
My son took his wife's grandmother's china cabinet when she died about 10 years ago. That thing still reeks and It's only the sentimental value that keeps it in his house.
My mother was a heavy smoker for most of her life but was forced to quit over 10 years ago due to a near-death medical emergency. Despite replacing almost all of her furniture, her long held apartment still smelled until the day she died last year. The landlord refused to return the security deposit because of the extreme measures required to re-paint and get rid of the smell.
Long story short - yes, gear owned by a smoker will stink until it is retired to the ashbin of photographic history.
mpmendenhall wrote:
If your alt glass is encouraging you to ingest poison several times a day, then you're definitely getting different results from your lenses than I am...
jcolwell wrote:
I was only commenting on the habit forming aspect of Alt glass.
Because if I have a lens with some radioactive material in it-- my first thought (instead of shooting it, where it's contained and safe-- is to pulverize and hope I inhale some of the particulate matter resulting from said pulverizing.
Re smoking homes and gear: It stinks like hell-- just like the inhabitants though they have no idea. It gets gunky/sticky stuff inside and out. It's just nasty from a functional/olfactory sense.
Smoke can be pervasive and work its way into the permeable parts of the camera such as the rubber grip and leave a lingering smell that many find uncomfortable.
The smoke can also leave a grime/residue on components in the camera. That's the long term effect. I doubt anyone actually owns a digital camera long enough and smokes often enough around it to really have a detrimental effect aside from the smell.
Whenever I photograph a fire my camera and bag usually smell like smoke for the next 3-4 days, I let it air out and the smell is gone.
I prefer nargileh/hookah over cigarettes.
