p.1 #1 · Confused on which smaller camera system to invest in...
HELP!!
I am confused on which smaller camera system to invest in. I am selling my DSLR gear for a smaller system and I am totally stumped on what to invest in. I've been researching the Oly OMD, the Fuji X Pro 1 or xe-1, and the NEX systems, but I am at a loss. I know that a smaller camera will not give me the same results as a full frame DSLR, but I still want great image quality. The OMD images look flat to me, but I'm scared of the X Pro-1's sluggy focusing.
I want the X Pro-1 image quality with the OMD fast focusing! What a DREAM that would be.
Any insight into these systems would be appreciated.
p.1 #3 · Confused on which smaller camera system to invest in...
Haha! I knew someone would post the RX-1 sooner or later. Why, why, why, did Sony price it so HIGH?? And it doesn't even have a viewfinder. BOOOO SONY!
p.1 #4 · Confused on which smaller camera system to invest in...
cannpope wrote:
HELP!!
I am confused on which smaller camera system to invest in. I am selling my DSLR gear for a smaller system and I am totally stumped on what to invest in. I've been researching the Oly OMD, the Fuji X Pro 1 or xe-1, and the NEX systems, but I am at a loss. I know that a smaller camera will not give me the same results as a full frame DSLR, but I still want great image quality. The OMD images look flat to me, but I'm scared of the X Pro-1's sluggy focusing.
I want the X Pro-1 image quality with the OMD fast focusing! What a DREAM that would be.
Any insight into these systems would be appreciated. ...Show more →
You and everyone else. All three systems have significant holes/flaws.
OMD (never held one, just based on user comments): great AF, very good lens lineup, sensor is too small, fair number of complaints about the buttons being really annoying to work with
Sony (Nex-7): Very comfortable to hold. Great image quality (especially at lower iso) in terms of resolution and dynamic range. Interface a bit fiddly. Body didn't hold up well under use (buttons got looser, rubber on grip came off). Sony lenses mediocre. So mediocre I ended up using manual focus rangefinder glass, but got tired of manually focusing and switched to:
Fuji (X-Pro1): Less comfortable to hold than the Nex, but manageable. AF slow-ish, prone to grabbing the background if given the chance (just like my DSLRs). Still, it's fast enough for street photography and you can pseudo-zone focus easily. Image quality at lower iso almost as good as the Nex-7 and better at higher iso. Colors are very pleasing. OVF IS AWESOME, but framelines annoyingly inaccurate. Despite the sometimes slow AF, a very enjoyable camera to shoot with. The three available lenses range from quite good to superlative.
p.1 #8 · Confused on which smaller camera system to invest in...
FlyPenFly wrote:
With how big the lenses will have to be for FF NEX... I'll probably not enter into such a system until it's at least a year or two mature.
Why would they have to be big? Won't for instance the tiny Contax G Zeiss lenses do the job on a FF NEX?
p.1 #10 · Confused on which smaller camera system to invest in...
I picked Fujifilm X-Pro 1, because I like a decent optical finder, and I also like a decent EVF. I like the size, feel, and controls of the X100 (which I've had since day one), and I really like Fujifilm lenses - I've been using them for decades. The Fujifilm "roadmap" includes two primes that I'm really interested to try; Fujinon XF 14/2.8 R, and Fujinon XF 56/1.4 R. I have the original three primes that make up the current "set".
Autofocus on the X-Pro 1 was much improved with the recent firmware upgrade - don't let out-of date information cloud your vision. OTOH, the X-Pro and related X-series cameras are certainly not the best choice for moving subjects, like many sports and wildlife situations. I use Canon 1DX and 1DIV cameras for the tough stuff.
It's a rapidly changing market. Information overload and anaylsis paralysis are common. If you like the IQ, then you're pretty close to the 90% solution. Every system has quirks. You have to decide which characteristics are most important to you, and then jump in!
p.1 #11 · Confused on which smaller camera system to invest in...
Lens size for a FF NEX system is total speculation. My Pentax 43/1.9 and 77/1.8 are both full frame autofocus lenses which are quite compact and the register distance of the NEX is obviously shorter than the K mount register distance.
p.1 #12 · Confused on which smaller camera system to invest in...
My opinion of the various systems after having used m43, NEX and samsung NX:
m43: The best bet as a system for native AF lens users at this point. The sensor is marginally smaller than APS-C but the latest generation sensors are very close to the best APS-C sensors, and even outperform the canon APS-C sensors. And the lens selection is easily the most comprehensive and attractive.
NEX: Best sensors in town. However lens selection is mediocre. That is changing gradually but it is still not quite there. Plus the lenses are still fairly big. So far it doesn't seem likely that NEX can compete with m43 in compactness department anytime soon. So if compactness is a high priority then I doubt NEX will become any more attractive anytime soon
Samsung NX: The most overlooked one. The lens selection is good, bodies are good, sensor is good. Overall a very capable system. I have been using it for a short while and prefer it over NEX for AF lenses.
Fuji: Lens selection is small but attractive. Price of admission is high. I haven't used it myself but looks to be a very nice system if you can afford it.
Personally I am currently giving Samsung NX a run as my compact system and so far it has been good. I also have just acquired an RX100 as a "wife's camera" for those times when a truly P&S experience is required.
p.1 #13 · Confused on which smaller camera system to invest in...
Are you suggesting that the pro version of the OM-D won't be as good and there won't be more and better m43 lenses in 2013 although the current lens line up is already quite formidable?
FlyPenFly wrote:
Do what I do, all of them.
NEX will be a much better option starting April next year.
IMO, OM-D is the best option out there until April. I'm picking up a second body before a big trip.
p.1 #14 · Confused on which smaller camera system to invest in...
Jeff Kott wrote:
Lens size for a FF NEX system is total speculation. My Pentax 43/1.9 and 77/1.8 are both full frame autofocus lenses which are quite compact and the register distance of the NEX is obviously shorter than the K mount register distance.
That's kind of the point. Add another 27mm-ish to those lenses to get an idea of what they'd look like on a FF NEX, and that's assuming those lenses perform well on FF digital in the first place, which is an unknown.
As far as I know, and as far as I can guess, there is no FF NEX still camera coming anytime soon. Zeiss going with aps-c lenses for the system seems to indicate that, as well.
p.1 #15 · Confused on which smaller camera system to invest in...
Panasonic GX1 + EVF + any lens you wish. If you know how to PP, that camera is secret gem. Or at least, thats what I think. And m4/3s are most complete system. Along with "fringe" Samsung NX.. (which btw. if you are decent photographer is very interesting system).
p.1 #17 · Confused on which smaller camera system to invest in...
Mescalamba wrote:
Panasonic GX1 + EVF + any lens you wish. If you know how to PP, that camera is secret gem.
And what should be done in PP to make the files shine?
p.1 #18 · Confused on which smaller camera system to invest in...
bobbytan wrote:
Are you suggesting that the pro version of the OM-D won't be as good and there won't be more and better m43 lenses in 2013 although the current lens line up is already quite formidable?
No, then it'll be a fair match up, right now the native lens selection nex is quite poor along with a terrible UI... Who knows olympus might even make an e-mount camera.
p.1 #20 · Confused on which smaller camera system to invest in...
briantho wrote:
Perhaps because you need to be able to handle RAW, as Samsun JPG sucks.
I agree that Samsung doesn't have the best JPEG engine when it comes to handling noise. Of course that mostly becomes relevant when you look at the image in its full 20MP glory. At "normal" viewing sizes the differences will go away. At the same time I seem to think that my Samsung NX200's jpegs actually have better white balance under artificial lights, compared to my NEX 5N. Nevertheless I mostly shoot RAW so I haven't at the jpegs enough to give a very firm opinion about that.
on which smaller camera system to invest in. I am selling my DSLR gear for a smaller system and I am totally stumped on what to invest in. I've been researching the Oly OMD, the Fuji X Pro 1 or xe-1, and the NEX systems, but I am at a loss. I know that a smaller camera will not give me the same results as a full frame DSLR, but I still want great image quality. The OMD images look flat to me, but I'm scared of the X Pro-1's sluggy focusing.
