I think 1/8000th is a big deal. Means I have to buy and carry NDs and drop the IQ of my lenses due to extra glass. I also don't want to buy all new memory cards
I agree otherwise. Interchangeable screens is my #1 reason of not going to the 5DIII. I may go 1DX or just wait for them to make a camera I want.
pkupcik wrote:
6D has only 1/4000s max shutter speed, which basically kills it for me as a viable option against 5D II or 5D III, regardless of nice things such as smaller body, nice LCD, GPS and WIFI. 1/180s flash X-sync speed is also a disappointment.
thw2 wrote:
Most of the points listed here are either trivial and can be easily dismissed (1/8000 vs 1/4000 shutter speed, higher resolution of 21 vs 20 MP?, 1/200 vs 1/180 flash x-sync speed), unproven (weather vs splash resistance?) or simply wrong (6D also has replaceable VF screen).
As for AI Servo, 6D may have 8 invisible assist points to the center AF. See here.
Only the advantages of CF vs SD and joystick seem to stick. Even these may not be all that important for some folks.
Seriously, the 5D2 has little to offer over the 6D apart from a bigger and heftier body.
+100
after 30D, 40D, 50D and 5D II I am used to and really like the joystick. But I do not see any hint to get familiar with its "in wheel" equivalent of 6D within one or two days, I guess.
For some the change from 1/8000 to 1/4000 might cause a step down (I myself never "needed" 1/8000th since I got the 30D). So for me the only steps down seems to be the switch to SD and the loss of 50K shutter cycles ( ). In all other points the 6D looks better to much better to me than the 5D II at (near) the same price.
StillFingerz wrote:
This is HORRIBLE, the elusive city/landscapes, flowers n plants I shoot regularly will be no more
I like the guy who complained about the 1/4000 top shutter speed and 100k shutter rating and then said he was planning to use the camera for landscape shooting.
thw2 wrote:
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Seriously, the 5D2 has little to offer over the 6D apart from a bigger and heftier body.
To me the question is not whether 5D2 has an advantage over 6D, rather the question is whether it is worth spending the extra dollars to get the 6D instead of 5D2.5D2 has gone down a lot in the used market with $1250-1300 being a typical price these days. So what are the areas where 6D has significant enough advantages to consider it over a 5D2?
Well, until the first detailed reviews come out we are all guessing. If the 6D does have a significantly better sensor than the 5D2, and if the price drops to a reasonable level over time, I might be interested. Or I might prefer to await the 5D4. Just have to wait and see.
David Baldwin wrote:
"Sorry to break it to you but we're past the point of huge steps forward"
Yes, I think you are right. I am beginning to realize that this is behind my own lack of excitement about recent Canon releases. Mind you, Nikon still manage to bring out some exciting stuff at affordable prices. D800 and D600 are relatively interesting cameras.
One good reason I won't be upgrading my 5D2 to 6D are the memory cards. I have a good collection of CF cards, having to buy the other kind would add a lot to my purchase price if I got a 6D. I understand that the 6D isn't actually aimed at 5D users, but Rebel/xxd series upgraders, but surely those people are very price sensitive and the 6D doesn't seem a bargain, pricewise....Show more →
I shoot digital since 2002 and invested a huge amont of money in CF cards.
1 x 1GB IBM Microdrive for about 200 € (I stoped using it when I purchased my first 4Gig CF
2 x 4 GB cards about 80€ each (I gave to my daughter when I purchased a 50D)
1 8 GB card about 25 € my girlfriend is using regulary (my backup, if needed)
2 x 16 GB cards about 70-90 each. I still use both since 4.5 years
Never ever one failed. They all still work. They cost me € 545 all together (more than a third of it for the first, slowest and smallest IBM). Those I used the last 4.5 years where about € 160. They are good for over 1000 raw pictures per shooting without a break.
Nobody likes to spend money for memory cards, neither me. And it might be a question of reliability and transfere speed, yes. But I do not really understand why the switch to a 32 GB SD card at about 70€ is a big hint when purchsing a 2000 € camera?
Ralph Conway wrote:
Thank you Jerry. As far I see bobatkins page is not up to date. But Robs tests show a huge speed difference in SD to CF. Of course it depends on the used body and maybe adapter. I can not find the 6D in his list - .
The D800 listed shows sandisk pro CF cards are about 25% faster than the comparable (?) 95 MB/s SD card .
Ralph
Yes as stated Bob's is a older article, there are more recent speed tests, Ken Rockwell usually does them with each camera he reviews and he updates his card test articles on a regular basis.
As for CF vs SD and why use them, the cynic in me says the SD choice is purely bottom line profit driven. The 6D is targeted at group 1 (60D, Rebel and Point & Shoot users), not necessarily group 2 (xxD or 5Dx users.) The group 1 users buy EF-S lenses (the lower end) more than they do EF mount....a move to the 6D requires EF lenses thus more sales/dollars into Canon's pocket.
It's a simple equation, the 6D is suppose to be a "consumer" based full frame body, an introduction to "Pro" level sensor IQ...and how many everyday consumers don't have SD card based digital cameras. I have 2, a G12, my lady an S100, we already have a set of SD cards up to 16gb. Most consumers could care less about card speed, the card just need to save images.
For those that need the speed, Pros like yourself, the CF vs SD speed issue is a real-life issue in many circumstances, time is money. For even a lifer hobbyist like myself I do like a fast card, but I can also manage quite well with a slower one, slower transfer from camera to computer, I just do something else while the transfer grinds on.
My greedy side would love a two body kit, a 7D and 5D3, just for the high FPS, newer AF and stronger bodies. But I can also see a two body kit consisting of a 60D and 6D being just as usable...for me.
Either kit would be a killer combo, the later being the reduced budget option
I am "thinking" about a 6D/5D III combo, Jerry. If price levells to "real world" economics this combo might be available at € 4.000 - 4.400 next year around may/june
6D first as soon it is available (or better 2-3 month later) should do it for me. I can decide later next year if a 5D III is a worthy backup or I might stay with two 6Ds
Ralph Conway wrote:
I am "thinking" about a 6D/5D III combo, Jerry. If price levells to "real world" economics this combo might be available at € 4.000 - 4.400 next year around may/june
6D first as soon it is available (or better 2-3 month later) should do it for me. I can decide later next year if a 5D III is a worthy backup or I might stay with two 6Ds
That's an option as well, hadn't thought of a full frame only combo, I'm so rooted in the crop body mindset as I'm a bit reach disabled. However, from an IQ standpoint that would make for a great combo and the 6fps/AF of the 5D3 is just high enough for light action shots...most excellent thinking Ralph!
Glad I'm waiting until next year to make the jump, prices may indeed be reasonable, $4K sounds good to me, perhaps we'll see the next iteration of the 7D as well...so many choices and more L glass to pick up
Ralph Conway wrote:
I am "thinking" about a 6D/5D III combo, Jerry. If price levells to "real world" economics this combo might be available at € 4.000 - 4.400 next year around may/june
6D first as soon it is available (or better 2-3 month later) should do it for me. I can decide later next year if a 5D III is a worthy backup or I might stay with two 6Ds
I'm thinking the same thing. I'll wait until next summer to see if the price will come down to around $1,700-$1,800. (I'm hoping for the same eBay/Beach/Adorama deals just like those of 5DIII.)
StillFingerz wrote:
That's an option as well, hadn't thought of a full frame only combo, I'm so rooted in the crop body mindset as I'm a bit reach disabled. However, from an IQ standpoint that would make for a great combo and the 6fps/AF of the 5D3 is just high enough for light action shots...most excellent thinking Ralph!
Glad I'm waiting until next year to make the jump, prices may indeed be reasonable, $4K sounds good to me, perhaps we'll see the next iteration of the 7D as well...so many choices and more L glass to pick up
Sooner or later I have to get a FF backup. My 40D is still agreat camera. But you see the difference in IQ immediatelly when shooting the same event with both.
kpjsy wrote:
6D is just not compelling enough unlike a 5D Mark III. Save your money.
It depends o what you need. If IQ is same like 5D III, I would prefere the 6D.
- around 1000 € saving
- AF enhanced compared to 5D II
- center AF down to -3 EV
- Viefinder comparable to my well known 5D II (red AF confirmation)
- wifi
- nearly all what I really wish what 5D III offers (ISO, silent mode)
- small and less weight
The 5D III advantadges (for me) would be:
- new top AF system (nice to have but not really "needed")
- CF & SD card slot
- Joystick
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