Ben Horne wrote:
I use to shoot sports, and I don't think I've ever used a 1/8000s shutter speed in my life. I rarely used anything beyond 1/2000s. Unless you're trying to shoot a portrait at f/1.2 in full harsh sunlight, I fail to see why people are complaining about the top shutter speed.
You don't need to be at f1.2. At f1.6 you're just about there with 1/8000th, so f2.5 for 1/4000th (unless my maths is wrong this late )
I'd say that presents at least an occasional problem for a fair number of people who use primes.
alfarmer wrote:
6D is a replacement for 5D2, which will soon end-of-life.
exactly, which sucks for those of us who want a 5d3 haven't yet sold our 5d2's. This camera will simply drive the price of used 5d2's down further, but will not affect the price of the 5d3 at all. I simply didn't have the time in my schedule or budget to get it done sooner, and now I'll have to either sell more gear to replace my getting-high-mileage cameras or dig up some more cash
At this point, the allure of used d700's is starting to get stronger....
PhilDrinkwater wrote:
You don't need to be at f1.2. At f1.6 you're just about there with 1/8000th, so f2.5 for 1/4000th (unless my maths is wrong this late )
I'd say that presents at least an occasional problem for a fair number of people who use primes.
I shoot a 5d2 and using fast primes outdoors for portraits, etc I often shoot with SS faster than 1/4000 - just another reason that the 6d looks like a pathetic little camera.
Imagemaster wrote:
Oh no, and here I thought one bought a camera for what it could do.
Gimme a break mate. Any modern cameras can do pretty much the same thing, it's just that some are much easier to use than others. And I'm not one of those fellas who bitch about banding after pushing the exposure way beyond the limit. I'm simply talking about what you get for your money.
I've never really criticise Canon before this, usually I could see the strength of their offering when compared to the competition, eg. 5D2 - high MP compared to D700. But I just can't see it with the 6D. The competition really does offer more for the same money and I simply call it as I see it.
Besides, I'm not all that whiny to be honest. I don't care about the max 1/4000s or the 1/180s sync speed. I can use ND filter to manipulate the shutter speed. I don't care about the single SD card slot. I don't care about what joystick was removed. BUT... I do think some features are unnecessarily crippled by Canon.
You look at the 6D feature like a SINGLE AXIS electronic level and you don't think Canon's being an ass? You tell me what the point is to thrown in a level with only a single axis. Take it away and exchange it for a 100% VF coverage or a pop up flash.
alexdi wrote:
I'm frankly staggered by the AF specifications. The 7D's AF system was the minimum for this body. A single center cross-point is an insult. That's the single most significant issue with the 5D II. I feel like we've gone back to the Elan 7.
I shot with the Elan 7E for many years and every DSLR I've owned--save for the 10D--was a major improvement over the Elan 7. I still have my Elan and my 5D2 whips it black 'n blue in low light and AI servo. Sure, the AF from the 1D4 and 5D3 are much better than the 5D2 but the Elan was pretty funky AF wise.
UCSB wrote:
If the 6D has the much more consistent AF performance of the 5DIII on it's center AF point, it will be the clear winner over the 5DII.
But is the 5D3 centerpoint really that much more consistent than the 5D2 centerpoint? I am not denying that the 5D3 AF system is way better than the 5D2 AF, but I really havent noticed any difference between the centerpoints. (except 5D3 being able to focus down to -2 EV).
Rickuz wrote:
But is the 5D3 centerpoint really that much more consistent than the 5D2 centerpoint? I am not denying that the 5D3 AF system is way better than the 5D2 AF, but I really havent noticed any difference between the centerpoints. (except 5D3 being able to focus down to -2 EV).
Then again, I've only used the 5D3 for 4 days..
I don't think the quality of the 5D2 centre AF point was ever in question, it's just the outer points in low light? The -3 EV of the 6D sounds great, but the spread of AF points is pathetic.
So you caved in and bought the 5D3 then, how are you finding it?
jj_glos wrote:
I don't think the quality of the 5D2 centre AF point was ever in question, it's just the outer points in low light? The -3 EV of the 6D sounds great, but the spread of AF points is pathetic.
So you caved in and bought the 5D3 then, how are you finding it?
Well I only borrowed it. After 4 - 5 days of testing, I realized that the improved AF was the only real point of interest for me, and I'm not willing to spend 3400 bucks just to get better AF.
I have fully mastered the focus-recompose technique anyway, so I have decided to stick with my 5D2 while waiting for Canon to up their sensor tech.
Hopefully a high MP / high DR body will arrive sooner than later.
About the shutter speed, Im lucky if I get 1/500s in the subjects I shoot, never enough light
It is a shame about taking off the joystick tho I use it all the time on my 7D and also on the 40D really handy for making quick changes
Dont understand why people keep going on about the banding thing my friend has a 5D2, his shots have wonderful IQ
looks like its going to be a good landscape camera shame my wide angles only work with crop tho
We cant really form an opinion until its released and we see what the image quality is like thats what matters
I'm completely happy with my 5DII, so I have very little interest in the 6D. I would consider adding it as a back up body once prices come down. But as for now, I couldn't care less.
Since the 5D2 is actually cheaper, I would get that one instead of the 6D. Not enough improvements over the 5D2 to justify the extra cost. Seems to be targeted at landscape shooters: GPS, wifi and 1/4000th doesn't matter if one is between f/8 and f/16 mostly.
Rickuz wrote:
Well I only borrowed it. After 4 - 5 days of testing, I realized that the improved AF was the only real point of interest for me, and I'm not willing to spend 3400 bucks just to get better AF.
I have fully mastered the focus-recompose technique anyway, so I have decided to stick with my 5D2 while waiting for Canon to up their sensor tech.
Hopefully a high MP / high DR body will arrive sooner than later.
Yes I'd love the AF too, but it won't make a difference for my photography other than the cost.
Imagemaster wrote:
Gee, well how about the option that I would like to actually know how the 6D performs and its cost, before making any stupid verdict
Would have been nice to have that option to vote for
And some people can actually take excellent photos with a body that only focuses well with one centre-point.
People made excellent photos without AF at all. Should we go back to full manual focus while we're at it? A good camera doesn't make a good photo, but it allows one to capture more good photos particularly in fast-paced, high-pressure shooting situations.
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