StillFingerz wrote:
I love threads like this, the whiners come out in mass...none of you digital only shooters have any clue how good you've all got it, try living, shooting for a living in the film days...you're all a bunch of children, grow the...up! Now run down to your local Apple store and replace your 3 month old iPhone 4 with a fantastical must have 5 before you cry yourself to sleep...pathetic
Oh thanks! Can't get the 5 yet and thanks for reminding us! I don't know why they talk about it, get us all excited then wham, a few out but then sold out. This is no fun. Geeez.
jamato8 wrote:
Oh thanks! Can't get the 5 yet and thanks for reminding us! I don't know why they talk about it, get us all excited then wham, a few out but then sold out. This is no fun. Geeez.
StillFingerz wrote:
I love threads like this, the whiners come out in mass...none of you digital only shooters have any clue how good you've all got it, try living, shooting for a living in the film days...you're all a bunch of children, grow the...up! Now run down to your local Apple store and replace your 3 month old iPhone 4 with a fantastical must have 5 before you cry yourself to sleep...pathetic
I've shot a few rolls of film in my time and will always have huge respect for good photographers that developed their skills back in the film days! Back then I couldn't afford the learning curve I'll tell you that straight up! It took digital for me to start getting a feel for EV adjustments and even now I usually do it on the 2nd shot after checking the LCD!
I don't think its fair to call anyone considering spending thousands of hard earned dollars on a product they know should be better for the money whiners! I used to hand crank my car windows, put up with standard steering/brakes and not have A/C in my vehicles. If I decided today I needed a car with a stronger engine I sure hope nobody would call me a whiner if a major auto company was trying to convenience us their new model with no power windows and A/C that only worked at highway speeds was a great deal! Lets face it the 5D mkiii should be retailing for $2999 and going on sale for $2600 on a good day. A camera with the rumored 6D specs should be retailing for about $1799 and going on sale within a few months for $1500.
Then again these are just rumored specs so I'll save my real indignation (whining )for announcement day!
StillFingerz wrote:
I love threads like this, the whiners come out in mass...none of you digital only shooters have any clue how good you've all got it, try living, shooting for a living in the film days...you're all a bunch of children, grow the...up! Now run down to your local Apple store and replace your 3 month old iPhone 4 with a fantastical must have 5 before you cry yourself to sleep...pathetic
riderfan wrote:
I've shot a few rolls of film in my time and will always have huge respect for good photographers that developed their skills back in the film days! Back then I couldn't afford the learning curve I'll tell you that straight up! It took digital for me to start getting a feel for EV adjustments and even now I usually do it on the 2nd shot after checking the LCD!
I don't think its fair to call anyone considering spending thousands of hard earned dollars on a product they know should be better for the money whiners! I used to hand crank my car windows, put up with standard steering/brakes and not have A/C in my vehicles. If I decided today I needed a car with a stronger engine I sure hope nobody would call me a whiner if a major auto company was trying to convenience us their new model with no power windows and A/C that only worked at highway speeds was a great deal! Lets face it the 5D mkiii should be retailing for $2999 and going on sale for $2600 on a good day. A camera with the rumored 6D specs should be retailing for about $1799 and going on sale within a few months for $1500.
Then again these are just rumored specs so I'll save my real indignation (whining )for announcement day! ...Show more →
Agreed on many points especially pricing. Being from film days and from the day of the 1st Apple puter it truly amazes me that the DSLR cost/power ratio hasn't caught up with the PC given how tech exponentially seems to grow. But perhaps we high-end DSLRites are a minority to a degree, like a grain of sand in a sea of P&Sooters and are doomed to tinny pixels forever...drum roll or machine; wtfdik I still shoot film n crop bodies with L glass
StillFingerz wrote:
Being from film days and from the day of the 1st Apple puter it truly amazes me that the DSLR cost/power ratio hasn't caught up with the PC given how tech exponentially seems to grow.
Once again, Moore's Law applies to miniaturisation of electronics: the cost is roughly the same for a given die area, so if you can shrink the circuitry the cost goes down. The sensor size here is a fixed 24mm x36mm. Moore's Law does not apply.
As far as the non-electronic costs in making a mechanical device like a camera, such as materials and energy, they have all gone up sharply over the last few years, with really just some relief in the last 4 months.
melcat wrote:
Once again, Moore's Law applies to miniaturisation of electronics: the cost is roughly the same for a given die area, so if you can shrink the circuitry the cost goes down. The sensor size here is a fixed 24mm x36mm. Moore's Law does not apply.
As far as the non-electronic costs in making a mechanical device like a camera, such as materials and energy, they have all gone up sharply over the last few years, with really just some relief in the last 4 months.
I think it's the transistors, not the circuitry itself that shrink. And it should be comparable to shrinking pixels in a sensor. Look at how tiny the pixels are on those 16MP P&S sensor.
Al_10D wrote:
I'd rather not to waste battery (and money) on Wi-Fi and GPS...
I'm not directing this at you personally but it's always the same tune everytime something new gets thrown in. You know... Just because it's not useful for you, doesn't mean it won't be useful for others.
OMG! If this turns out to be truth, I guess my brain will explode and the god of photographers will form a 23MP in head sensor out of the particles, sensitiv noiseless with ISO 25k, one nice shutter with MY lifetime duration, and I will shoot in peace and freedom for the rest of all days.
If the Canon FF-entry has those specs it must have a really unbeatable advantadge - like €999.
Well, if it has good auto focus performance and it doesn't band in the shadows it certainly is not a 5D2. Heck, if they used the old 5D shutter they'd have 1/200th sync and 1/8000th max.
If the specs turn out to be true its pretty clear to me they are crippling the features (1/4000 max shutter, 1/180 flash sync, only 1 cross AF point?, MFA?, slower fps, less robust body, only SD card support, etc.) to justify the much higher price of the 5D mkiii. Most of those feature reductions aren't saving much in manufacturing costs.
The challenge Canon has is to not take away features the purchaser feels are essential. For me if they take away MFA or only provide one cross AF point I'm not interested. If they only provide 1/4000 and 1/180 flash sync then the price had better be very attractive. I can accept the lesser body build, lower fps, fewer AF points and the loss of a few other lesser features as differentiators (something has to be different!)
My gut is telling me a Canon FF isn't in my future for at least another year (maybe by then I can buy a used 5D mkiii for $2K ).
riderfan wrote:
If the specs turn out to be true its pretty clear to me they are crippling the features (1/4000 max shutter, 1/180 flash sync, only 1 cross AF point?, MFA?, slower fps, less robust body, only SD card support, etc.) to justify the much higher price of the 5D mkiii. Most of those feature reductions aren't saving much in manufacturing costs.
The challenge Canon has is to not take away features the purchaser feels are essential. For me if they take away MFA or only provide one cross AF point I'm not interested. If they only provide 1/4000 and 1/180 flash sync then the price had better be very attractive. I can accept the lesser body build, lower fps, fewer AF points and the loss of a few other lesser features as differentiators (something has to be different!)
My gut is telling me a Canon FF isn't in my future for at least another year (maybe by then I can buy a used 5D mkiii for $2K )....Show more →
You have to keep in mind that this rumoured 6D is going to be marketed as an entry level camera. You can't expect it to have most of the higher end 5D3 functions at 60% the price. No such thing as free lunch buddy.
That said, I do expect it to have more than a single cross type AF point. It's about as modern as a live rear axle on a car. No wait...
Back then I couldn't afford the learning curve I'll tell you that straight up! 
It took digital for me to start getting a feel for EV adjustments and even now I usually do it on the 2nd shot after checking the LCD!
)for announcement day!