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douglasf13
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p.2 #1 · Fuji EX-1 & Sony Nex-6 ?


frank gross wrote:
All Fuji = Trans-X (incl. the x100?)
All Sony = Bayer
?


Just about everything, outside of Sigma, is Bayer. The X-Pro1 and XE-1 are Trans-X, the X100 is Bayer. Again, though, all of this may not be worth worrying about. It depends how picky you are, and we're about as picky as it gets in this forum.



Sep 13, 2012 at 12:21 PM
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p.2 #2 · Fuji EX-1 & Sony Nex-6 ?


douglasf13 wrote:
"The Fujifilm principle will in any case never get better than 50% of the Bayer chroma resolution.


What exactly does this mean in terms of real world use?



Sep 13, 2012 at 12:24 PM
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p.2 #3 · Fuji EX-1 & Sony Nex-6 ?


flashinm wrote:
What exactly does this mean in terms of real world use?


Sir, please step off the internet. Real world use is of no concern to us here. Only wild speculation and fantasies allowed here.





Sep 13, 2012 at 05:22 PM
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rattymouse wrote:
Sir, please step off the internet. Real world use is of no concern to us here. Only wild speculation and fantasies allowed here.



I'm confused, rattymouse?? I seem to remember you being pretty vocal about smearing issues with the X-Pro1.

flashnm, it just means that you'll get lower color resolution in good light.



Sep 13, 2012 at 05:26 PM
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p.2 #5 · Fuji EX-1 & Sony Nex-6 ?


Let me go back to the original question of the OP. In addition to the items that the OP raised this sensor issue could be simplified to say that the EX-1 should have a slight high ISO advantage and the NEX 6 should have a low ISO advantage. To that point I would add that the Fuji lens line up has and as far as we can see is likely to have slightly faster lenses (Fuji has a 25 f/1.4, and the road map calls for a 23 f/1.4, and a 53 f/1.4), but the NEX lens lineup with the newly announced lenses is becoming more complete, but so far the lenses tend to be f/1.8.

I like the fuji lens lineup a lot, but the NEX lineup may end up having more small lenses. Both systems look good, but with slightly different strengths.



Sep 13, 2012 at 05:49 PM
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p.2 #6 · Fuji EX-1 & Sony Nex-6 ?


Agreed, Steve. The Fuji lenses tend to be a little faster, and the Sony lenses often have OSS. I don't shoot a lot of video, but when I do want to shoot the occasional family video, I usually switch from my X100 to my NEX cameras, because, although the X100's video is mostly good enough, it has a lot of quirks (I'm sure the XE-1 will be better,) and the NEX has OSS and great video.

My biggest curiosity with the XE-1 will be AF speed. I'm curious how fast it is, both with the new lenses and original primes.



Sep 13, 2012 at 06:04 PM
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p.2 #7 · Fuji EX-1 & Sony Nex-6 ?


I'm not seeing those issues when I checked. There looks to be a slight problem with the RAW file, but it's not found in the jpg, which leads me to believe that it's a problem with the converter.

JPG
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8037/7984254150_01640d102d_o.jpg


RAW
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8450/7984254076_0a0ea5939c_o.jpg



Sep 13, 2012 at 08:57 PM
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douglasf13 wrote:
I'm confused, rattymouse?? I seem to remember you being pretty vocal about smearing issues with the X-Pro1.

flashnm, it just means that you'll get lower color resolution in good light.


I dont understand your confusion.




Sep 13, 2012 at 09:12 PM
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Andrew W wrote:
I'm not seeing those issues when I checked. There looks to be a slight problem with the RAW file, but it's not found in the jpg, which leads me to believe that it's a problem with the converter.


It's a trade off. The jpeg conversion does look better in regards to aliasing (although you can still see it in places like the woman on the dollar's face,) but it does smear foliage. People have been using RPP because it smears foliage less, but then you get other issues. Trans-X needs better raw conversion, for sure, and that will help a lot.



Sep 13, 2012 at 10:18 PM
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rattymouse wrote:
I dont understand your confusion.



I must have misunderstood you.



Sep 13, 2012 at 10:21 PM
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p.2 #11 · Fuji EX-1 & Sony Nex-6 ?


Can you define color resolution? I'm not trying to be dense, I just understand how that term makes any sense. Do you mean color depth?


Sep 13, 2012 at 10:43 PM
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I have an X-pro1 and am happy with the image quality. I have converted the raw files with LR4 and made prints that are 10 x 12 inches and really haven't encountered the issues that get raised about the X-trans sensor.
The thing that I've been most pleasantly surprised about the X-trans files is how great the OOC jpegs are.
I was a dyed in the wool RAW file only fanatic. the X-pro1 jpegs have me using jpeg files 80% of the time.
-rasterdogs


douglasf13 wrote:
It's a trade off. The jpeg conversion does look better in regards to aliasing (although you can still see it in places like the woman on the dollar's face,) but it does smear foliage. People have been using RPP because it smears foliage less, but then you get other issues. Trans-X needs better raw conversion, for sure, and that will help a lot.



Sep 13, 2012 at 10:49 PM
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p.2 #13 · Fuji EX-1 & Sony Nex-6 ?


rasterdogs wrote:
I have an X-pro1 and am happy with the image quality. I have converted the raw files with LR4 and made prints that are 10 x 12 inches and really haven't encountered the issues that get raised about the X-trans sensor.
The thing that I've been most pleasantly surprised about the X-trans files is how great the OOC jpegs are.
I was a dyed in the wool RAW file only fanatic. the X-pro1 jpegs have me using jpeg files 80% of the time.
-rasterdogs

Yes, my experience too. I couldn't remember the last time I shot jpg before the X-Pro 1. The auto white balance is the best of any camera I've used.



Sep 14, 2012 at 08:27 PM
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douglasf13 wrote:
My biggest curiosity with the XE-1 will be AF speed. I'm curious how fast it is, both with the new lenses and original primes.


As I understand it, the X-E1 is supposed to have the same or similar firmware as the 2.0 firmware update coming for the X-Pro 1 on September 18. I've been able to find this link for a general idea of how it might perform with the original lenses.

&feature=player_embedded

Autofocus seems to be slightly improved though manual focus seems to have been greatly improved. Autofocus might be faster on the new lenses due to the new motor.



Sep 15, 2012 at 06:43 AM
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using my x100 since it came out i just leave it on jpg, and i've been shooting nef since the nikon cp5000. fujis jpgs, wb and on board flash are the best ive seen, i'd tweak the seting to produce the files you like 1 for landscape and another for portraits, maby a neutral one too...


Sep 15, 2012 at 12:31 PM
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lou f wrote:
using my x100 since it came out i just leave it on jpg, and i've been shooting nef since the nikon cp5000. fujis jpgs, wb and on board flash are the best ive seen, i'd tweak the seting to produce the files you like 1 for landscape and another for portraits, maby a neutral one too...


Unfortuantely, having used - and tested - both the X100 and X-Pro1, the jpegs of the X-Pro1 are not at the same artifact free level as the X100 (which I agree, produces exceptional jpegs).



Sep 15, 2012 at 12:56 PM
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X100 RAW files are good ??


Sep 15, 2012 at 01:22 PM
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p.2 #18 · Fuji EX-1 & Sony Nex-6 ?


frank gross wrote:
X100 RAW files are good ??


Yes, no issues at all. In fact, when I ran them through RPP, some of the best files I have seen.



Sep 15, 2012 at 01:31 PM
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p.2 #19 · Fuji EX-1 & Sony Nex-6 ?


it sounds like THE camera


Sep 15, 2012 at 01:37 PM
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p.2 #20 · Fuji EX-1 & Sony Nex-6 ?


Tariq Gibran wrote:
Unfortuantely, having used - and tested - both the X100 and X-Pro1, the jpegs of the X-Pro1 are not at the same artifact free level as the X100 (which I agree, produces exceptional jpegs).



Well we all have different criteria for 'artifacts'. I've not encountered anything I'd call an artifact in 10x12 inch prints from the X-pro1 files.

That having been said I'm not much of a peeper. I don't see the point.

-rasterdogs

I do use 'oxygen free' gold cables on my stereo, though



Sep 15, 2012 at 02:59 PM
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