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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · Canon 50D: remove and clean focus screen?


It appears my focus screen is quite dirty. I've watched various YouTube videos that show how to remove the screen using a tool you get when you replace a screen but if I don't have that and want to use tweezers, I can't seem to figure out how to do it. The little tab does not want to come forward. Help would be appreciated. ( yes, I've narrowed it down to the point I know it is the focus screen and not sensor, lens,etc.)
Thanks.



Jul 12, 2012 at 07:29 AM
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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · Canon 50D: remove and clean focus screen?


Canon makes a simple tool for grabbing it

http://www.focusingscreen.com/work/picture/5d2/003.jpg

If you buy a new screen from most of the Amazon vendors they include the tool. But you can usually get buy with some flat end (not pointy) tweezers.

I'll add that cleaning a focusing screen without messing it up is pretty much limited to blowing air on it. Once you start brushing it, rubbing it,whatever, you almost always leave marks. A new screen for $30 isn't a bad investment.



Jul 12, 2012 at 07:58 AM
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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · Canon 50D: remove and clean focus screen?


I "cleaned" the focus screen of my 50D and scratched the hell out of it. £25 later for a replacement, lesson learned; Rocket Blower FTW


Jul 12, 2012 at 08:17 AM
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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · Canon 50D: remove and clean focus screen?


Just pull on the small tab on the screen holder so the frame where the screen is mounted drops, and just blow it with a good blower and then put it back. You don't need to remove the screen from the frame.


Jul 12, 2012 at 08:32 AM
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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · Canon 50D: remove and clean focus screen?


The first time changing a focus screen has confounded many a photographer....After you've done it the first time,then it just keeps getting easier.

I recommend using the tool with the old screen, to practice the whole procedure.

Once comfortable with the procedure.Then carefully without touching the new screen with fingers;using the tool only.... insert the screen without scratching it on the assembly.

Seen more then a few bungled jobs,where the new screen looked just as bad,if not worse then the dirty screen replaced.



Jul 12, 2012 at 08:34 AM
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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · Canon 50D: remove and clean focus screen?


Make sure you never touch the focusing screen with anything when you clean it. Just use air. If that doesn't get it, you've done the best that you can do. It scratches VERY easily. Many people don't even bother to clean it since it doesn't have any impact on image quality.


Jul 12, 2012 at 09:10 AM
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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · Canon 50D: remove and clean focus screen?


jaybird555 wrote:
Just pull on the small tab on the screen holder so the frame where the screen is mounted drops, and just blow it with a good blower and then put it back. You don't need to remove the screen from the frame.


Of course the dust you blow off a screen still sitting in the frame goes somewhere and unfortunately it is often on the pentaprism.



Jul 12, 2012 at 12:33 PM
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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · Canon 50D: remove and clean focus screen?


Thank you all..looks like the easiest thing to do is order a new focusing screen...
Appreciate all the help!



Jul 12, 2012 at 12:34 PM
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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · Canon 50D: remove and clean focus screen?


janmcn wrote:
Thank you all..looks like the easiest thing to do is order a new focusing screen...
Appreciate all the help!


You should just have to move the little tang locking the holder in place and the holder should flip down. After that use a gloved hand or tweezers to pull the screen out of the holder. Clean the screen, put the screen back in the holder, and press the holder up to lock it back into place.



Jul 12, 2012 at 12:51 PM
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p.1 #10 · p.1 #10 · Canon 50D: remove and clean focus screen?


Here is my experience to clean the focus screen.

1. Never touch the surface of the screen! You may not need the tweezers, you can hold the edges of the screen by hand.
2. Use water to flush the screen (I prefer water than air blower). If there is oil stain on the surface, drop few detergent first.
3. Finally, use "distilled water" to flush the whole screen, and let it dry. (a fan can speed up the process here)



Jul 12, 2012 at 06:21 PM
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p.1 #11 · p.1 #11 · Canon 50D: remove and clean focus screen?


If you have ordinary dust on the surface of the screen that faces down (into the mirror chamber) then a good rocket blower will ordinarily be all you need. There is no need to remove the screen for this. (Dust may migrate to the sensor, but is usually taken care of by the dust removal system.)

You need to remove the screen if you have something stuck underneath it (facing the pentaprism). Again, just use a blower. I would use a liquid only as a last resort (in case of a fingerprint or grease smear on the screen).

I don't feel the extraction tool is secure enough to hold onto the screen while blowing. While the screen is out of the camera you can grip it carefully between two fingers pressing against opposite right angle points (to minimize the surface area you touch). If you have lint-free cotton gloves use them. If not, wash your hands very thoroughly immediately before doing this to minimize changes of a grease smear should you touch the surface inadvertently.

In rare cases you can get dust into the pentaprism itself (this only really ever happened on my 5Ds, no other Canon bodies). Canon will have to clean this for you if you suffer from this issue.



Jul 13, 2012 at 12:15 AM
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p.1 #12 · p.1 #12 · Canon 50D: remove and clean focus screen?


Roger shares his knowledge to be helpful and typically with the most successful procedure.Due to trial and error,those insights are quite viable.


Every effort I've ever seen by a novice on his first attempt to remove a focusing screen and clean it with any other means then air,resulting in a failed procedure...and frustration; in repeated attempts to remove marks or mineral spots or streaks from dried pure water.

There are vids on the net showing individuals using alcohol.Most importantly;one shouldn't attempt cleaning a focusing screen with wet cleaning solution and especially alcohol,since the focusing screen is not designed to get wet and usually results in stains,smudges or wipe mark stains.Once contaminated in such a way it will never be like its original exact pristine condition.

If one feels compelled to use a wet cleaning solution,here are a few viable options that have worked to some degree for experienced camera repair technicians.

Some use water with a few drops of mild dish soap in a 8oz. container and a two to three bath rinse,then a hot air blow across the surface...unless you know what your doing and have some experience,this method usually results in failure as well due to residual pure water spots or streaks.

The procedure is as follows:

1. get three clean foam cups, a bottle of distilled water, some dish soap(sensitivite skin ver), a roll of toilet paper(hehe) and a hair-dryer.

2. Drop three drop of soap in the first cup and fill it with distilled water.
3. Fill the remaining two cups with clean distilled water.
4. taking your plastic screen tweezers, grab your screen and soak it in the water for a good 30mins. This will allow the soap to break down the oils and residue that have built-up on on your screen.
5. Once it has soaked, you can carefully swish it around in the solution to help propagate the cleaning agent throughout the fine groves of the fresnel texture. Don't worry if the screen falls into the cup, the foam is not hard enough to affect the screen. Though fishing it could require care.
6. Carefully lifting the screen out of the water allow to drip dry and dip it in the first clear water rinse. Rinse and repeat until the screen shows no more signs of cleanser(soap colors) and shows rapid clear dissipation. However... do not allow it to dry out the air(it will leave residue stains).

Now here comes the hard part...

7. With the hair-dryer in one hand and your screen in the other, gently place the screen above the tissue roll so that the corner or edge of it is gently resting on the tissue, while blow drying the screen along the edges(not face on!). This will hopefully and with a little luck,force the water droplets off the screen and into the tissue quickly enough to dry without leaving residue marks.


The second alternative is film rinsing agent.Some consider film rinsing agent to be the cat's meow for wet cleaning a screen...

In place of the mild soap as in the above procedure, add a small portion of film rinsing agent. This is actually a very mild soap that is designed for modifying the surface tension of the rinse water so that it will not form droplets. The formation of droplets, regardless of size will ultimately lead to a spot because no matter how hard you try, you will never end up with pure water. There will always be some dissolved minerals in the water, even if it is carried over from the first rinse bath. The ring that these spots leave is due to the concentration of minerals as the droplet evaporates, but if you use a solution that is specifically designed NOT to permit this, the problem is avoided. The film rinsing agent is intended to achieve this and avoid spotting on the negatives. If it can result in clean negatives, it can result also in a clean focusing screen if done properly.


Sure,these may work as long as the individual is experienced and well versed in the procedure....and if one want's to practice it on some old focusing screens till one becomes proficient at the task...have at it...



Either using air only or buying a new focusing screen and carefully installing it after some practice with the old screen,is the simplest solution with the least frustration.

If one must remove the screen and use air,I prefer the screen tweezers.Once the screen is extracted for cleaning with the tweezers,grab the tweezers on the clamping end,to give extra pressure to hold the screen by the clip while blowing air across the surface.




Jul 13, 2012 at 09:06 AM
janmcn
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p.1 #13 · p.1 #13 · Canon 50D: remove and clean focus screen?


Again my thanks to you all for valuable comments! And to Depp for taking the time to thoroughly explain one way of doing all this. I had used a blower already, but still seemed to have enough "stuff" on the screen that it bothered me. With the little cost of a new screen, along with positive comments about its usefulness (getting the gridded one), i've decided to get a new one (B & H is sending it now)…and shall take your advice and "practice" on my old screen just for the heck of it and to get used to the procedure once I have those nifty tweezers that come with the new screen. This is just my backup camera, but we're off to AK, so shall be mounting my 70-300 on it for wildlife, so want to have it ready soon. If I have a problem with this, there is still time to send it to Irvine for a thorough cleaning.
Thanks again…jan



Jul 13, 2012 at 01:55 PM





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