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p.1 #1 · 5d3 shadows much better than thought?


Just thought I'd throw this thread into the mix:
http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=6235.0

Someone has done a DPP conversion of the 5d3 file and then pushed the shadows MASSIVELY and got a really nice result. Nothing like the usual shadow pushing.

It's making me wonder whether DPP is doing something clever or if LR might be part of the problem when it comes to messy Canon shadows?

Very early days on this - don't shoot the messenger if the information turns out to be false or the test flawed Might be interesting for others to test it though?



May 01, 2012 at 04:58 PM
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p.1 #2 · 5d3 shadows much better than thought?


Now this is interesting... I'll give it a shot...


May 01, 2012 at 05:03 PM
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p.1 #3 · 5d3 shadows much better than thought?


If you've not gone to his flickr and downloaded the original, do so - it's WAY cleaner than I expected.

To be honest I originally felt like looking to see if it was a Nikon shot from the exif!



May 01, 2012 at 05:05 PM
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p.1 #4 · 5d3 shadows much better than thought?


Apparently C1-6 is showing cleaner shadows too. Anyone confirm?

What we really need is a nice dark pic at ISO100 pushed in LR, DPP and C1



May 01, 2012 at 05:10 PM
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p.1 #5 · 5d3 shadows much better than thought?


When I use Aperture and push the shadows, I don't get anywhere near the banding what folks were getting with LR. The files seem much cleaner than the 5D2.


May 01, 2012 at 05:14 PM
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p.1 #6 · 5d3 shadows much better than thought?


I just HAD to see for myself... and with a troublesome shot from today
Just jacked the sliders to endpoint to see, then tried to adjust C1 for matching but no way I can resolve the details that DPP can do
http://www.webdog.se/tmp/DPP_vs_C1.jpg
C1 Ver 6.4
No noise reduction on either

Edited on May 01, 2012 at 05:21 PM · View previous versions



May 01, 2012 at 05:20 PM
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p.1 #7 · 5d3 shadows much better than thought?


Keep in mind that LR 4.1 is a Release Candidate and not the final version. So, I fully expect that they, Adobe that is, is still doing a low of tweaking. We will see....

I was wondering what program Fred used back then when he tested/compared the shadow between the 5D Mark III and D800? Fred, will you chime in, please?



May 01, 2012 at 05:21 PM
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p.1 #8 · 5d3 shadows much better than thought?


I find it odd there's such a massive difference. I know each raw converter is different and works differently, but there's such a huge difference! It's not a little bit, but night and day...


May 01, 2012 at 05:31 PM
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p.1 #9 · 5d3 shadows much better than thought?


Jep. Interesting.


May 01, 2012 at 05:48 PM
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p.1 #10 · 5d3 shadows much better than thought?


I use Aperture 3 and get great results from the deepest shadows from my 5D3. Even the 5D2 was decent, much better than some of the results I see on the web.



May 01, 2012 at 05:58 PM
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p.1 #11 · 5d3 shadows much better than thought?


Can you post some?


May 01, 2012 at 06:00 PM
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p.1 #12 · 5d3 shadows much better than thought?


I'm getting some banding with LR but not CS5. It's all about workflow for raw converter. I don't even have DPP installed on my computer.


May 01, 2012 at 06:07 PM
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p.1 #13 · 5d3 shadows much better than thought?


joeisayo wrote:
I use Aperture 3 and get great results from the deepest shadows from my 5D3. Even the 5D2 was decent, much better than some of the results I see on the web.


Joe, that's definitely good news. I would like to see a comparison of the exact same file processed with Aperture and LR in that respect. Could you do that comparison for us, please?

Thanks,
Joshua



May 01, 2012 at 06:34 PM
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p.1 #14 · 5d3 shadows much better than thought?


AGeoJO wrote:
Joe, that's definitely good news. I would like to see a comparison of the exact same file processed with Aperture and LR in that respect. Could you do that comparison for us, please?

Thanks,
Joshua


I'll try to do that for you if Joe doesn't end up doing it. I'm going to reprocess a bunch of my best images over the past month in Aperture this weekend. I had been trying a switch to LR but want to give Aperture one more shot.



May 01, 2012 at 06:43 PM
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p.1 #15 · 5d3 shadows much better than thought?


I am able to push 5d3 100 iso black frame almost 5 stops in DPP without seeing banding. There is some noise but no banding good enough for me.


May 01, 2012 at 06:45 PM
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p.1 #16 · 5d3 shadows much better than thought?


I get great results pulling from the 5D3 files as well. No problems here. I have recovered near-black rocks on a beach shot without a problem.

I tried to look for more examples, but it is rare I need that much more DR then I can capture in a shot. So I have no real good examples.



May 01, 2012 at 06:47 PM
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p.1 #17 · 5d3 shadows much better than thought?


I'll see if I can get some screen shots tonight at ISO 100 pushed up completely on exposure and shadows using Aperture, but I don't have LR. I'll be using the 5D3 + 100L IS macro.


May 01, 2012 at 06:49 PM
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p.1 #18 · 5d3 shadows much better than thought?


So looks like Canon has a secret algorithm for DPP eh ?.


May 01, 2012 at 06:51 PM
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p.1 #19 · 5d3 shadows much better than thought?


Best to snap a 8 stops or wider DR scene then push and verify its shadows in DPP


May 01, 2012 at 06:56 PM
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p.1 #20 · 5d3 shadows much better than thought?


PhilDWedding wrote:
Just thought I'd throw this thread into the mix:
http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=6235.0

Someone has done a DPP conversion of the 5d3 file and then pushed the shadows MASSIVELY and got a really nice result. Nothing like the usual shadow pushing.

It's making me wonder whether DPP is doing something clever or if LR might be part of the problem when it comes to messy Canon shadows?

Very early days on this - don't shoot the messenger if the information turns out to be false or the test flawed Might be interesting for others to test it though?


i still see banding in his original DPP version and the shadow are looks like mush like it's made out of blobs of 4-6 pixels at once or something



May 01, 2012 at 07:05 PM
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