p.7 #1 · Nikon D800 Vs Canon 1Dx image quality [ very funny ]
mttran wrote:
i feel the same way based on canon last 5D to 5D2 transition just look at above crops, how does nikon reserve those pixels so healthy. I believe, at least 10 stops DR for those shots. just pray that we're wrong on this one.
Why do you want to be wrong? I'd love to see technology progress, even if Nikon is pushing that wheelbarrow right now. I just don't understand people who still get hung up with the them versus us childish viewpoints.
p.7 #2 · Nikon D800 Vs Canon 1Dx image quality [ very funny ]
chez wrote:
Why do you want to be wrong? I'd love to see technology progress, even if Nikon is pushing that wheelbarrow right now. I just don't understand people who still get hung up with the them versus us childish viewpoints.
It is not about who win the battle. Nikon read-out patent has been discussed in the other thread which might has tied canon hands to improve sensor DR and if this was the case then we might not see a better read-out one from canon for a long time. Which can be bad for all canon shooter, myself included.
p.7 #4 · Nikon D800 Vs Canon 1Dx image quality [ very funny ]
Some canon shooter does not realize how heathy 5D2 low iso banding discussion is about. It's all about canon true IQ game changing in future model. It does not turn out that way. Sad, isn't it
p.7 #5 · Nikon D800 Vs Canon 1Dx image quality [ very funny ]
mttran wrote:
Some canon shooter does not realize how heathy 5D2 low iso banding discussion is about. It's all about canon true IQ game changing in future model. It does not turn out that way. Sad, isn't it
well not yet, it is possible they fixed it all up, or at least some of it, we will have to wait and see
p.7 #6 · Nikon D800 Vs Canon 1Dx image quality [ very funny ]
Ralph Conway wrote:
But I just saw that and asked myself why comparing a 36MP consumer camera
ericvgill wrote:
You realize the specs of the D800 exceed the 1Ds MKIII, right?
Yes. But what does that mean?
It means you unwittingly called the mighty 1DsMKIII a "consumer camera" in all it's $7000 glory.
5D IIs exceeded 1Ds MK III IQ, too.
No, for example, the 1Ds doesn't suffer the low iso banding issues to the degree of the 5DII. Also, limiting the comparison to strict IQ ignores other very useful features such as pro-grade autofocus and a slew of other things.
If nothing else. D800 does the opposite, imo (exceeds everything but IQ).
I have no idea what you're basing that on. Certainly not the sample jpgs we've seen so far.
But this is comparing a new, just announced not available Camera with a 5 year old flagship. That those specs are overcome in the last half decade does not make a prosumer body a pro camera.
Exceeds the 1DMKIV in everything but FPS, too. And Nikon has older bodies that, new sensor aside, compare favorably with the D800's feature set. The fact is, Canon has been lagging on this front for a very long time.
Still D3x is. D4 will be.
That of course does not mean, that you can not use it for pro shooting.
1D X is for pro shooter, who earn money with jobs that confront them with special needs.
Aside from FPS, I'm not seeing anything the D800 lags behind the 1dX on. Clue me in here?
p.7 #9 · Nikon D800 Vs Canon 1Dx image quality [ very funny ]
sigh...comparing image quality of unreleased cameras is a little weird.
Comparing image quality of an unreleased camera and 4-5 year old cameras is even weirder!
Who knows how many shots were taken at the photo session before they picked the SHARPEST images. Real world difference may be different.
p.7 #10 · Nikon D800 Vs Canon 1Dx image quality [ very funny ]
Was the 7D an overreaction, considering its pixel pitch equates to a 46MP FF sensor?
That from Snapsy is worth some thought. The 7D has been commercially successful. But how many people use it to make and sell large landscape prints? I'm not aware of any, although you might presume that someone somewhere is doing it. I tried the 7D, and rejected it out of hand, because large landscapes are what I do, and it is a bad camera for that purpose. Even at ISO 200, noise effects start to obliterate subtle contrast, and notably limit enlargeability.
The D800 is newer technology, and does not go quite so far with the pixel cramming. But unless it has far better technology than the 5D II, which it may, of course, then it will also be a bridge too far for detailed landscapes, perhaps excepting the most brightly lit scenes. I know that because I shoot the 5D II, and learned early that it is easy to push its images too hard, even at relatively low ISO values, like 400.
I'm hopeful that Canon may have found the sweet spot with the 1DX, at 18MP. With the right technique and subject matter, that is probably enough pixels to make a 40-inch enlargement. If the subtlest contrast is there as well, then such an image ought to be noticeably better than what you get from the 5D II. I think it will take a remarkable breakthrough to get the very best contrast from a full-frame camera with megapixels in the upper 20s, let alone more. I'm not optimistic about that happening in this generation of equipment.
p.7 #11 · Nikon D800 Vs Canon 1Dx image quality [ very funny ]
splathrop wrote:
That from Snapsy is worth some thought. The 7D has been commercially successful. But how many people use it to make and sell large landscape prints? I'm not aware of any, although you might presume that someone somewhere is doing it. I tried the 7D, and rejected it out of hand, because large landscapes are what I do, and it is a bad camera for that purpose. Even at ISO 200, noise effects start to obliterate subtle contrast, and notably limit enlargeability.
The D800 is newer technology, and does not go quite so far with the pixel cramming. But unless it has far better technology than the 5D II, which it may, of course, then it will also be a bridge too far for detailed landscapes, perhaps excepting the most brightly lit scenes. I know that because I shoot the 5D II, and learned early that it is easy to push its images too hard, even at relatively low ISO values, like 400.
Wow...I push my images hard and shoot often at ISO 1000+ with no noise issues. Print often at 20x30 and 40x30 too. I don't think ever ever even seen anything that mimics noise on 5DII at ISO 640 or bellow...
p.7 #13 · Nikon D800 Vs Canon 1Dx image quality [ very funny ]
splathrop wrote:
That from Snapsy is worth some thought. The 7D has been commercially successful. But how many people use it to make and sell large landscape prints? I'm not aware of any, although you might presume that someone somewhere is doing it. I tried the 7D, and rejected it out of hand, because large landscapes are what I do, and it is a bad camera for that purpose. Even at ISO 200, noise effects start to obliterate subtle contrast, and notably limit enlargeability.
The D800 is newer technology, and does not go quite so far with the pixel cramming. But unless it has far better technology than the 5D II, which it may, of course, then it will also be a bridge too far for detailed landscapes, perhaps excepting the most brightly lit scenes. I know that because I shoot the 5D II, and learned early that it is easy to push its images too hard, even at relatively low ISO values, like 400.
I'm hopeful that Canon may have found the sweet spot with the 1DX, at 18MP. With the right technique and subject matter, that is probably enough pixels to make a 40-inch enlargement. If the subtlest contrast is there as well, then such an image ought to be noticeably better than what you get from the 5D II. I think it will take a remarkable breakthrough to get the very best contrast from a full-frame camera with megapixels in the upper 20s, let alone more. I'm not optimistic about that happening in this generation of equipment....Show more →
If you're looking at the 1DX for landscapes, then I'd say wait until Photokina in September to see what Leica does for an M9 replacement. If they actually do the unthinkable and include live view in an M10, and keep with their current non-AA filtered sensor philosophy (don't see why that would change due to the image degradation AA filters cause with many rangefinder wide angle lenses), it may well be the only new FF camera on the market with a true AA filter-free sensor (D800E still has the AA layers, just they supposedly neutralize each other). If it has live view, there should be no reason not to be able to use most SLR lenses on it, though of course EF lenses will be a special issue due to the electronically actuated aperture. And it will probably be in the ballpark price of the 1DX, give or take a thousand.. or two.
Between now and Photokina chances are very high we'll see a Canon response to the D800, which should answer your question about how well a Canon high MP sensor will suit your needs.
p.7 #14 · Nikon D800 Vs Canon 1Dx image quality [ very funny ]
rscheffler, thanks for your thoughts.
My move from the 5D to the 5D II provided a mixed experience—mostly positive, but not entirely. The 5D II meets my needs better, but I was just reviewing some prints from the 5D, and they renewed the memories, from the time I switched, that the 5D II sacrificed a bit of contrast control for its higher resolution. I suspect Canon has not yet found the sweet spot where the contrast and resolution strike an ideal balance. Of course it must be hard to do that with technology improvements as a constantly-shifting input. It would be truly wild to discover that Nikon, with the D800, is working in an entirely different universe. I doubt that has happened, so patience seems to be the order of the day.
p.7 #15 · Nikon D800 Vs Canon 1Dx image quality [ very funny ]
splathrop wrote:
so patience seems to be the order of the day.
Nice to read someone who is willing to wait to decide rather than rush out and sell all of their gear on the back of specs and a few sample photos
p.7 #16 · Nikon D800 Vs Canon 1Dx image quality [ very funny ]
PhilDWedding wrote:
Nice to read someone who is willing to wait to decide rather than rush out and sell all of their gear on the back of specs and a few sample photos
I'm always surprised at the number of man-hours wasted on sites like this speculating on what might be at some future date......waiting to see must be easier!!
just look at above crops, how does nikon reserve those pixels so healthy. I believe, at least 10 stops DR for those shots. just pray that we're wrong on this one.
hope canon will fix it in 5d3