p.6 #1 · Nikon D800 Vs Canon 1Dx image quality [ very funny ]
Yes I use MF and I am aware of its limitations and strengths. The larger sensor gives you a different look and they are different types of cameras. That being said, I've used both the P45 and the 1DS3 extensively and done comparisons, sharpness, perspective, color, DR. Other than MP and pixel acuity, the dMF doesn't offer a huge increase in IQ. DR, highlight retention is noticeably better in the P45 but if you don't nail exposure, noise can be a big issue especially past base ISO, the lenses are large and slow and color can be wacky. The FPS is slow and AF selection is laughable (1 point as opposed to 61) What I do like is the per pixel sharpness and the ability to crop, things that are addressed by the D800E. Maybe things would be different if I was shooting with the IQ180, then I'd be singing praises about the untouchable IQ of dMF. But I don't have $50K sitting around to buy it.
The D800E offers me everything I think the 1DS4 could have been. I'm more than happy with the 1DS3's AF, but wanted more DR, MP, and weaker AA. I think Nikon nailed this one. Still waiting for Canon to make an announcement but can't hold my breath forever. I bought the 1DS2 and 1DS3 as soon as they were introduced. The 1DX will be the first Canon "flagship" I do not buy. I feel they have ignored 1DS users in favors of sports shooters and am really annoyed. Then here comes Nikon with the 1DS4 that I wanted.
PhilDWedding wrote:
This is the a great example of "mega pixels isn't everything". Comparing a D800 with a P45 back is missing the point. They're completely different animals with different characteristics. The D800 will NOT approach the quality of a medium format back or even give you quite the same look.
That's not to take away from the D800 - I'm sure it'll be a great camera.
*edit* I notice you use medium format. I'm surprised to see your comment..
p.6 #3 · Nikon D800 Vs Canon 1Dx image quality [ very funny ]
M Lucca wrote:
Hey don't get mad at me! I didn't start those threads.
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A am not mad at you and I know you didn't start them!
I wasn't directing my speach at you in particular, even though I quoted you.
You were making a reference about other topics, and my "whys" were just about that, the other topics that are questioning the D800 performance.
p.6 #5 · Nikon D800 Vs Canon 1Dx image quality [ very funny ]
safcraft wrote:
Luis, i believe people tend to compare the D800 to the 5D/5D2/5D3.
Well, what I have been seeing is actually versus the 1Dx.
There are several posts on this very same thread about this and with links to them.
Hence my posts. I believe it's unfair and, well, unrealistic and IMHO makes no sense, since they are not competing products.
But I already stated my opinion twice before, so no point in keep on doing it ad nauseum.
safcraft wrote:
IF the canon version (5D-3 or X) can deliver same per pixel noise and increase 21 to 32/36 it will be king again. Just as happened with 5D to 5D2. I believe that even with a "so so" AF it will be King.
Fully agree and really hope so!
I have some lovely canon lenses waiting for the next non-series1 FF canon camera.
I would love to be able to afford the 1Dx, but alas, at the present time, it's not possible...
BTW, I have wondered for some time, are you portuguese?
Abraço!
Interesting article! I hadn't seen that one yet. I'm sure it won't mean much to the people that say their 16mp cameras make awesome 40x50" prints.
Feb 11, 2012 at 01:15 AM
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p.6 #8 · Nikon D800 Vs Canon 1Dx image quality [ very funny ]
Zaitz wrote:
Interesting article! I hadn't seen that one yet. I'm sure it won't mean much to the people that say their 16mp cameras make awesome 40x50" prints.
or some of these poor canon shooters trying to grasp at straws by trying to compare D800 images the the 1dx lol
I understand what you mean. I have three "photography 101" questions I would like to ask him about the last flower comparison, but I will leave that out of here
p.6 #13 · Nikon D800 Vs Canon 1Dx image quality [ very funny ]
Going over some shots last night I have to say that more DR reallllly would be nice. If for some odd reason Canon couldn't learn how to add more MP and also have enough time left to fix DR I'd pick DR over more MP.
From a landscape and general shooting perspective:
More MP would be nice for insanely detailed 13x19"s but even 'just' 22MP still looks pretty solid at that size and messed up DR is a lot more hurtful to the eye than living with just 300PPI to say the least. And sure panning around a 40MP shot at 100% is fun and cool but having stunning scenes with really unusual lighting and conditions that make things to get around DR limitations extremely tricky or impossible is more hurtful than that is fun.
Now the thing is, more MP wouldn't really have to mean any loss of low to mid ISO DR so it's kind of a false choice I present here in some sense although perhaps looking into column ADC and radically changing their sensor might take too much effort if they spend all the time shrinking things to add more MP, probably they should be able to do both, since the latter they should already have down, but anyway, if it came to it now that we are to the 21MP limit I'd rather 3 stops more DR at ISO100 than more MP (although I'd rather both ).
From a wildlife shooting perspective:
Here I really, really would miss the extra MP and I'd have to say more than the extra DR. Although if the subject is that far away it might be a true prize winning photo anyway and the DR loss could hurt an awesome landscape so I guess I'd still slightly favor DR increase first.
So I hope they at least fix up the DR if they are giving us lower MP.
I have a bad feeling though that the 5D3 will have WORSE DR at low ISO than the D800 AND less MP.
p.6 #14 · Nikon D800 Vs Canon 1Dx image quality [ very funny ]
skibum5 wrote:
I have a bad feeling though that the 5D3 will have WORSE DR at low ISO than the D800 AND less MP.
i feel the same way based on canon last 5D to 5D2 transition just look at above crops, how does nikon reserve those pixels so healthy. I believe, at least 10 stops DR for those shots. just pray that we're wrong on this one.
p.6 #15 · Nikon D800 Vs Canon 1Dx image quality [ very funny ]
So the D800 is better than a 4 year old camera (5D2)... kinda expected no?
And because of this, we bash whatever Canon has prepared to replace the 5D2 , saying it WILL NOT meet up to D800 specs? Please.....
p.6 #17 · Nikon D800 Vs Canon 1Dx image quality [ very funny ]
safcraft wrote:
So the D800 is better than a 4 year old camera (5D2)... kinda expected no?
And because of this, we bash whatever Canon has prepared to replace the 5D2 , saying it WILL NOT meet up to D800 specs? Please.....
Luis, 100% nascido e criado por cá
the D7000 and D3x also have 2 stops better low ISO DR than the 5D2 and the actual nicely usable difference is even larger, maybe closer to 3 stops advantage, that is pretty huge.
I just hope the stuff they use to get the max DR out of the sensor at low iso is either not patented or, if so, there is another way to do it and that canon knows how and has the desire to do so.
Also note that the high MP D3x actually has much higher low ISO DR than the low MP D3s so it's not right to say please keep MP low because we want better DR. It's much more about what type of sensor read out tech is used than the MP count.
p.6 #18 · Nikon D800 Vs Canon 1Dx image quality [ very funny ]
skibum5 wrote:
the D7000 and D3x also have 2 stops better low ISO DR than the 5D2 and the actual nicely usable difference is even larger, maybe closer to 3 stops advantage, that is pretty huge.
I just hope the stuff they use to get the max DR out of the sensor at low iso is either not patented or, if so, there is another way to do it and that canon knows how and has the desire to do so.
Also note that the high MP D3x actually has much higher low ISO DR than the low MP D3s so it's not right to say please keep MP low because we want better DR. It's much more about what type of sensor read out tech is used than the MP count. ...Show more →
+1, take the canon hat off and face the reality...bottom line, always IQ at the end.
p.6 #20 · Nikon D800 Vs Canon 1Dx image quality [ very funny ]
D800: 100% shadows crop @ 100 iso & wide DR. This crop speaks for itself, isn't it
It doesn't speak to me. Until I see some challenging EVs for the D800 I am not going to join those applauding its landscape capabilities. What seems suggested (not proved) by example so far is that the D800 is—at best—a breakthrough studio-fashion-wedding camera for 35mm. Flashy stuff.
I'm open to the possibility (the hope?) that It could be much more, but examples to show it have not yet appeared. I'll be among the first to applaud, and maybe line up to buy one, when the proof is in. However, it seems like some commenters are ignoring the fact that Nikon and its surrogates are rather conspicuously not calling this a landscape camera, which, given the resolution, would seem like the first thing you would say if it were true. So I'm not sure what to expect.
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