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p.4 #1 · Canon 24-70 II price announced.


List price on the old Canon 24 2.8 is $600, so it will be interesting to see what street prices settle to on the new prime lenses. If the new lenses end up being only $100 or so higher with IS and improved optics, it seems reasonable.

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Feb 07, 2012 at 10:18 AM
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p.4 #2 · Canon 24-70 II price announced.


If the 24-70 II is as good as the 70-200 II, I'm in. I'm brown bagging my lunches from now on to save up. :-)


Feb 07, 2012 at 10:18 AM
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p.4 #3 · Canon 24-70 II price announced.


Laughable and insulting all at once.


Feb 07, 2012 at 10:22 AM
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p.4 #4 · Canon 24-70 II price announced.


I genuinely don't understand so many people on this board.

So it's a little sharper? Is that REALLY worth >$1000 (ONE THOUSAND DOLLARS!) to some people.

Just to remind you...the range is the same, the amount of light it gathers is the same.

Are you seriously prepared to drop close to a month's salary on something that will not in anyway whatsoever allow you more creativity, or improve your photography in any way, shape or form, purely so that when you zoom in 100% on a monitor you can say (presumably in a nasal tone) "mmm....yes, I would have got 4.62% less detail if I'd stuck with my Mark One"

Poke yourself in the eye until your vision is a bit blurry then give the $1000 to a 3rd world charity!



Feb 07, 2012 at 10:24 AM
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p.4 #5 · Canon 24-70 II price announced.


skibum5 wrote:
yes but they strongly hint that the real pictures will be a lot better from the new version
of course it remains to be seen, but there is certainly reason to be hopeful


How you are justifying this outrageous price with "Oh look at the MTF!" is beyond me.

Photographers have been using the v1 24-70mm to take amazing pictures for years, sharpness doesn't even do much for photography compared to the more subtle elements like lighting and subject matter.



Feb 07, 2012 at 10:26 AM
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p.4 #6 · Canon 24-70 II price announced.


akin_t wrote:
How you are justifying this outrageous price with "Oh look at the MTF!" is beyond me.

Photographers have been using the v1 24-70mm to take amazing pictures for years, sharpness doesn't even do much for photography compared to the more subtle elements like lighting and subject matter.


But but but but our EXACTLY THE SAME photo will be sliiiightly sharper! It'd be a bargain at double the price.





Feb 07, 2012 at 10:28 AM
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p.4 #7 · Canon 24-70 II price announced.


Chris Beaumont wrote:
I genuinely don't understand so many people on this board.

So it's a little sharper? Is that REALLY worth >$1000 (ONE THOUSAND DOLLARS!) to some people.

Just to remind you...the range is the same, the amount of light it gathers is the same.

Are you seriously prepared to drop close to a month's salary on something that will not in anyway whatsoever allow you more creativity, or improve your photography in any way, shape or form, purely so that when you zoom in 100% on a monitor you can say (presumably in a nasal tone) "mmm....yes, I would have got 4.62% less
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Exactly!

I don't understand it either. Sharpness is a non issue ... Processing mitigates for it, Lighting mitigates for it, Viewing size mitigates for it ... It's just an inconsequential factor to obsess about in my opinion.

I mean, the original 24-70mm and the MKII are identical for all intents and purposes. Buying the new one won't let you take a better picture.


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Feb 07, 2012 at 10:31 AM
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IQ is very important. But this is a laugh! Could it be that Canon purchased Tamron? And makes their sales now by selling "competitors" gear?

Canon: It is just a WA zoom lens. No special gear. Best possible IQ is great. But the hell where do you live? Even with IS (this range is a crippled version with no IS) can not be sold for more than the best and bestselling zoom 70-200 L II. Without? No way!

Thank you, helping me in doing a decision. If you think its a way to make more money by asking for Nikon prices now, after Nikon starts to drop down to your old price level ... good luck with that new philosophy!

Ralph


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Feb 07, 2012 at 10:32 AM
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A few thoughts on prices and performance trade offs.

Canon is drawing a line across the camera market, which perhaps will no longer be regarded as quasi-continuous from point-and-shoot upward through entry-level-DSLRs through 5D-type-DSLR's to pro bodies at the top. The new reality is going to be down-market customers who are expected to stay down market with point-and-shoots (below the line), and professionals and rich amateurs above the line.

For professionals, at least, creating a chasm to divide pricing and capabilities may prove helpful. It will help differentiate what pros have to offer. The pressure to decide will be on enthusiasts who do not shoot for money. The few rich ones will go above the new line, the many others down to the top of the ever-improving point-and-shoot market. That might ease economic crowding in the pro market, where low barriers to entry have produced distortions. If it happened, that alone could justify paying higher prices for pro gear.

That, at least, is what the new pricing policies might be expected to do, if all you look at is marketing strategy and its impact on prices. But here is a further question. Above the line, what are photographers going to get that a client can see and want to pay for?

The present generation of higher-end bodies and lenses already produces superb quality. Right now, enlargements bigger than a typical wedding client, for example, would choose to order, nevertheless meet fairly exacting image quality standards. Yet more resolution—from bodies or lenses—is mainly going to increase enlargeability, with also some extra benefit for low light capability.

There will be a market for that among landscape shooters, for sure. But who else? High end fashion, probably. Products, probably. Sports? Stage? Events? News? Are they all crying out for prints bigger than 30- or 40-inches? Maybe not, or maybe their standards will simply increase to embrace higher image quality as it becomes available. But it's not easy to see how a news photographer is going to use—or even not be inconvenienced by—much bigger image files delivering resolution that publishing outlets can not reproduce.

If Canon's new prices are harbingers of a push toward 35mm photography good enough to rival large format film, then it's reasonable to ask how big was the market for large format film?







Feb 07, 2012 at 10:34 AM
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p.4 #10 · Canon 24-70 II price announced.


Exactly Ralph, there's no way on God's green earth my mkI is going up for sale, for that $1000+ 'upgrade' fee I could buy a monobloc and selection of softboxes.

I know which is going to make the bigger difference to my work!!!!!



Feb 07, 2012 at 10:35 AM
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M Vers wrote:
Laughable and insulting all at once.


Didn't I tell you earlier to prepare to get violated?



Feb 07, 2012 at 10:35 AM
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stanj wrote:
Didn't I tell you earlier to prepare to get violated?


I was actually just looking for that post, Stan!



Feb 07, 2012 at 10:41 AM
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M Vers wrote:
I was actually just looking for that post, Stan!


Nice to see you laughing! I guess in this case we are of similar opinion!
Thank you Canon. Canon connects people!




Feb 07, 2012 at 10:47 AM
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Ralph, I believe Canon just offended +95% of it's DSLR customer base. They are real matchmakers.


Feb 07, 2012 at 10:48 AM
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I'll reserve judgement until I see street prices but I'm inclined to bite. You're right Ralph about the improbable resale value close to the 70-200 II.

Totally agree with folks who say there's no change in zoom range but the benefit of IS for a not so steady hand is invaluable. I know bump the ISO and increase your shutter speed, etc. I'm not that old but do come across these scenarios at times.

Seems like a lot of people including me wished for IS on the 24-70 and now Canon has delivered. Same situation for the 1DX. We all wished a full frame with a similar frame rate as the 1D Mark IV and Canon also delivered granted the 1Dx limitations beyond f/8 but again they listened.

Now folks just have to decide if they want to pay to play. My two cents.



Feb 07, 2012 at 10:50 AM
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voltaire wrote:
Seems like a lot of people including me wished for IS on the 24-70 and now Canon has delivered.


News Flash...the 24-70II doesn't have IS.



Feb 07, 2012 at 10:53 AM
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New Canon Lens

All of the new Canon Lens at the new pricing, will only have one effect, and that is to drive the price of used ones up!!!!!

Look what happened to the price of 1Ds3 crazy, same thing with 500 and 400....nuts
Les



Feb 07, 2012 at 10:56 AM
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splathrop wrote:
A few thoughts on prices and performance trade offs.

Canon is drawing a line across the camera market, which perhaps will no longer be regarded as quasi-continuous from point-and-shoot upward through entry-level-DSLRs through 5D-type-DSLR's to pro bodies at the top. The new reality is going to be down-market customers who are expected to stay down market with point-and-shoots (below the line), and professionals and rich amateurs above the line.

For professionals, at least, creating a chasm to divide pricing and capabilities may prove helpful. It will help differentiate what pros have to offer. The pressure to decide will be on enthusiasts
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Your post would make sense if the more expensive gear guaranteed better pictures than the cheaper gear.

When it comes to any technically sound picture (by technically sound I mean focus is good, exposure is good, no handshake), lighting and subject matter are the only things that dictate if it's a good shot or not.

Sharpness, Chromatic Aberrations, etc are all important, but it's not as if the cheaper lenses are unusable.

Photographer 1: 5D classic + 70-200 f/2.8 IS MK1
Photographer 2: 5D MK2 + 70-200 f/2.8 IS MK2

You honestly think, photographer 2 is going to be undoubtedly deliver better pictures because his gear is more expensive? I beg to differ, even if they obtain identical shots, you'd be hard pressed to see the difference in their work.

I mean, for every f/2.8 zoom on the high end, there's an f/2.8 zoom on the cheap end, same goes for f/1.8 primes and telephotos, wide-angles etc.

In other words, there exist tools that allow a photographer of any budget to get any shot.



Feb 07, 2012 at 10:59 AM
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p.4 #19 · Canon 24-70 II price announced.


Oops, I missed that M Vers. Then I'm NOT spending a single penny on it.

Thanks for opening my eyes! I knew I should have taken my cup of tea first.



Feb 07, 2012 at 10:59 AM
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I've been hanging on with my older gear....which still produces great images...waiting to see what Canon offers. I want to stay in the Canon camp but eventually I'm going to retool my entire bag...at these prices, I don't know if that is my best option anymore. And, what the dark side has been producing recently is quite an attractive alternative. I sure hope these prices settle down to more manageable figures. $2300 for this lens is way too much. Seriously!


Feb 07, 2012 at 11:01 AM
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