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roleychiu wrote:
Thanks Mr. Chevy! Do people post their work here often? I can post on here when i get new shots up?


Yes, there are many fine photographers here on the FM forums. We welcome the beautiful shots and how to's you post Roley! FM is one of the best places on the www for many (including me) to learn from excellent teachers such as yourself. Myself and many others look forward to your posts Roley, bring them on !!!



Jul 01, 2004 at 08:48 PM
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p.6 #2 · Is she Americas Next Top Model?


I QUIT!

Wow! Unbelievable! Super! Absolute top notch! You have that expensive look on your images, that's something I haven't seen much outside Big Magazines. So Your LBS's really work! What happens when they let you into a million dollar studio?



You _will_ have a job with a portfolio like this. Btw, I'd like to see more of your LBS's!



Edited by askomiko on Jul 03, 2004 at 12:23 AM GMT



Jul 02, 2004 at 02:15 PM
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p.6 #3 · Is she Americas Next Top Model?


Please keep us updated on your work. Keep posting! Best work I have seen on this board. Your how to was great, keep em coming!
Joe



Jul 02, 2004 at 04:20 PM
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p.6 #4 · Is she Americas Next Top Model?


You are clearly very talented not only are the shots magnificent but the time taken to present them sets them apart from anything else I have seen. Like most others here I wish I were as good as you.

BTW I do have one question.how much of your work is created post production?

Fantastic all the way!





Jul 02, 2004 at 05:35 PM
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p.6 #5 · Is she Americas Next Top Model?



Same here. I'm totally into the Robert Rodriguez school of LBS, and now thanks to you, LBS is a permanent part of my lexicon.

Not only should you quit your day job, but you should write a book!

Fashion you have down...man, I'm curious, what would you do in
Product type shooting! And, don't forget, get Grace to put in a
section on make-up (you can combine it with color-balancing for
make-up)....

Really a nice shoot, really nice shots, but WOW, I appreciate the
break down on the shoot! Amazing!

Proof that its the operator more than the equipment....

G.



Jul 02, 2004 at 07:37 PM
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p.6 #6 · Is she Americas Next Top Model?


lol!!! this thread just never dies does it !!!!

*hides*



Jul 02, 2004 at 07:57 PM
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p.6 #7 · Is she Americas Next Top Model?



I had an idea....why not use those shots (and the behind the scenes) and push hard to get get into a good school for Photo (Brooks?)....some schools are aggressive in recruiting "out-of-the-mold" types....some are just aggressive about getting you loans so they can get kick backs from the Govt

The connections would come out of school etc.

Hey, just another idea...enter some contests! Win some contests and then throw the whole shebang (Portfolio + Contests mentioned in your CV/resume) at the best schools. I bet you an EXCELLENT Oklahoma Steak Dinner I'm right.

G.



Jul 02, 2004 at 09:14 PM
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p.6 #8 · Is she Americas Next Top Model?


Nice work. As a web developer who has worked in the design industry outside of the web world, I can tell you, you have top notch potential. You should consider contacting some Manhattan agencies to arrange doing a portfolio presention. It may take a few to really connect, but you've got a skill that you should capitalize on. You not only show your creativity in your work, but in the preparation needed. You also know what it takes to pull off a successful shoot.


Jul 02, 2004 at 11:58 PM
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p.6 #9 · Is she Americas Next Top Model?


I think this is the first time a young talent surfaced at FM and rocked our world. Bravo!

I have a friend in NY who was very much like you. He actually went to the Academy of Art and has a degree in photography, and he was technically very advanced as you are. He knew if he wanted a career in fashion photography, he would have to move to one of the fashion capitals of the world. So off to NY he went. Most photographers in NY start out as assistants to well-known photographers. He did that for a while and now he's gone solo. You can contact him if you're serious about pursuing photography. But DO you want to do it for a living? Or it's just something you want to keep as a hobby and would rather do something else for bread/butter?

BTW, my friend's website is: http://www.howardhuang.com/ (he's also Chinese)

There is something you ought to know about the fashion industry though--specifically regarding photographers (this is told to me by Howard). You see, the western fashion world is obsessed with young, rebellious, handsome, and European photographers. It is a very shallow industry, (this is not a negative comment. It is afterall, a business about appearances and impressions and fads and trends) and they like nothing more than "celebrity photographers" that look like models themselves, and can look good and matching when standing next to the models. This really applies at the very top of the food chain. If you are not white, European, ruggedly handsome..etc, then you can still get work, but not at the very top. It is a very stupid thing, but like I said, it IS the fashion industry.



Jul 03, 2004 at 02:14 AM
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p.6 #10 · Is she Americas Next Top Model?


Speechless and wholly inspired...simply amazing attention to detail.

Please do share more!



Jul 03, 2004 at 03:22 AM
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p.6 #11 · Is she Americas Next Top Model?


Lunatique wrote:
I think this is the first time a young talent surfaced at FM and rocked our world. Bravo!

I have a friend in NY who was very much like you. He actually went to the Academy of Art and has a degree in photography, and he was technically very advanced as you are. He knew if he wanted a career in fashion photography, he would have to move to one of the fashion capitals of the world. So off to NY he went. Most photographers in NY start out as assistants to well-known photographers. He did that for a while and
...Show more

Rob. this is one of the most helpful posts i've read to date. Firstly because of howard's contact. I love his work. I'm definitely going to contact him to send him some praise. Secondly, for the insight into the industry. Yes it's very brutal from what i've heard. Regardless of talent, there's a glass ceiling for alot of photographers. Part of the reason why i shoot primarily asian women IS the fact that I'm chinese. If i were to break into the fashion world i'd definitely want to promote asian faces in commercial work. With this niche, i'd be able to side step that white european pre-requisite and make a statement of my own. I'm slowly building that foundation right now by merging western photo styles with asian faces. But still, i'm only just starting out, there's so many more shoots to do before i can even make the slightest dent.

Thanks again Rob for this post. You reminded me that regardless of all this praise on here for my work, I'm only at the bottom of the climb upward.

I gotta do some thinking... It's a dream to do this as a career.. but regardless of what anyone says, I still do not have what it takes to go pro just yet. I'm heading back to school in the fall and i'll be trying to get my advertising degree. My parents would freak if I moved to NY to become a photographer. It's not stable work and its very risky.

*sigh*.... i do need a mentor. definitely.



Jul 03, 2004 at 07:04 AM
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p.6 #12 · Is she Americas Next Top Model?


You're most welcome. Gotta help out the brothers, you know?

Don't feel too discouraged about the negative stuff though, there are many ways to make a living as a photographer. To make money at it and to become famous at it are two very different things. There are photographers here at FM that clear 6 figure earnings a year, and that is pretty damn good. But I bet you and I have never heard of them--and that's something you have to ask yourself. Can you live with the fact that you can most likely make a good living doing photography, but just not as a high profile "celebrity photographer" shooting for the big fashion mags?

Shooting Asians is a nice niche, but is there a market for it? Asian publications are few and far between and going to Asia would mean you'd have to change your lifestyle. Howard did that for a bit--he went back to Taiwan to check out the opportunities there, and he realized that in such a small place, there are too little jobs for too many photographers, and all the limited number of record companies, magazines, advertising..etc already had long-term relationships with selected photographers. He figured if he was going to spend the time and energy to break into an industry, he might as well spend it in NY. Hong Kong is the same way, and China is even worse, because the pay sucks and they don't wany anything that shows too much skin--it's still kinda "backwards" here. Japan's got a great photography industry, and have plenty of very talented photographers, but they are a very homogenized race, and foreigners are generally shunned. Malaysia, Singapore, Thailand..etc certainly cannot compete with the U.S. or Canada in terms of opportunities. I dunno, maybe try Europe? !

I myself am considering making a career change to photography, and we'd be in the same shoes, both being Chinese, and loves shooting women (I shoot tons of Asian girls too--look at my signature for my photography). I tend to like more fine arts and fashion than straight glamour, and that would mean even less opportunities. I've been shooting only with a P&S for 3 years with crappy equipment, and I've squeezed as much I can out of it. Now I'm ready to upgrade to a professional system, and it's going to cost me an arm and a leg--maybe even a torso!

But anyway, I'll say this though, studying advertising is something that will be very helpful to photography, because they are directly connected in the marketplace. Just like a lot of photogs are also graphic designers too, and make a living combining the two. You can do that as well.



Jul 03, 2004 at 09:37 AM
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p.6 #13 · Is she Americas Next Top Model?


I would suggest asking someone from Singapore to send copies of 8 days and Her World or Female magazines. The photography is of much higher standard compared to Malaysia IMHO.

I think you'll be able to make a living in Singapore.



Jul 03, 2004 at 11:39 AM
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p.6 #14 · Is she Americas Next Top Model?


Roley,

I'm no professional photographer so I don't know exactly how it works... but I'm sure you can get work in Vancouver doing all sorts of random stuff while working your part/full time job.

There are many places that need photography, it may not be the fashion center of the world or whatever, but it's definitely more than in my home town, and there are people here who are living off of their photography... and driving a bus on the side, but that's because my town really sucks! haha.

Anyways, with talent like yours, you can get work in Vancouver to build up a portfolio, and... send off CDs with your shots on them every once in a while to Maxim, Stuff, whatever you prefer, it's a good way to get noticed. I've been shooting for about a year now, and I sent a photo of mine to a Mountain Biking Magazine and they told me to send in a CD with more shots for possible magazine opportunities... i would've sent them shots except I didn't have any more :P The rider I was shooting broke his frame after 1/2 an hour.

Anyways, you've got the talent to go far, and I agree with you that photography is a very risky career, but you have the talent to go far, just need to build up a portfolio, shoot more models for your website and promote yourself. It's only a matter of time.



Jul 03, 2004 at 01:02 PM
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p.6 #15 · Is she Americas Next Top Model?


....OR you could just be turning out great work, enjoying your hobby, earning a few bucks on the side until you decide to either make it your career, or keep it as a part time thing.

Sometimes turning Pro 'kills' the joy of the hobby you loved in the first place?

just a thought...

jon



Jul 03, 2004 at 07:59 PM
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p.6 #16 · Is she Americas Next Top Model?


10 pages of realy good repley's
Here's the next one
They are very nice to look at. Looking forward to your next one's



Jul 10, 2004 at 04:34 PM
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p.6 #17 · Is she Americas Next Top Model?


Well Roley, whatever you do, make sure that you keep having so much fun!!!
Your enthousiasm radiates from evrythinh you said and showed.
One thing you also have going is your goal directness and ability to get things rolling your way. Be aware of that and use it.

And thanks for triggering such a great set of replies...!



Jul 10, 2004 at 06:38 PM
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p.6 #18 · Is she Americas Next Top Model?


Roley, well done.
Your photo quality is like a pro. I saw first time your post in lighting technique forum and I was impressed. I here, I got my self to admire your works.



Jul 12, 2004 at 12:28 AM
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p.6 #19 · Is she Americas Next Top Model?


Your portfolio and the asian models are very nice. I think you are a true top glossy photographer.




Jul 18, 2004 at 02:20 AM
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p.6 #20 · Is she Americas Next Top Model?


Nice!

Questions:
What lenses are you using?
Post processing? What do you do?
Lighting...What types of light are you using?

Thanks!



Jul 18, 2004 at 03:53 AM
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