Imagemaster wrote:
I'll take the 7D over the Mk2's any day.
We know, we've seen your bird photos a gazillion times, nice photos for sure. However, not everyone shoots birds on a limb or enjoys post processing as much as you do.
Had the 1D2 (non-n). Sold it after 389,000 actuations.
Bought the 7D. Tried so hard to like it.
Sold the 7D
Bought another 1D2 (non-n) and have no regrets.
To the person that said the battery life is mediocre on the 1D2, you must have had a short in your camera. I routinely got 2000 - 3000 shots on one battery charge (pretty standard... do the research).
The 7D was difficult to exploit the max FPS, AF wasn't even close (the guy that said it was similar to his 1D4 must've had a *really* bad 1D4).
I shot for my surfing website (www.FreeSurfPix.com) and my keeper rate from the 7D was about 1/4 of that from the 1D2.
onegreatcity wrote:
Great information here you guys, thank you very much! I have heard from the seller and the story gets a bit more interesting (causing my Spidey send to tingle somewhat) but I intend to meet him this weekend regardless. For the record, he says he has used 2 different pieces of software (CanCount and Foxbat free 1D Count) to verify shutter activity.
Now, if the shutter had been replaced, would these types of software reveal that? I inquired if the body had ever been sent to Canon for repair and to his knowledge, it hasn't. I say 'to his knowledge' because he's not the original owner.
I have asked for a raw file to run the test myself and hope to see the camera tomorrow.
Thanks again...
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I would meet with regardless, just gives you more room to talk him down in price . As far as the different software I've used to try and get an accurate shutter count, none of them were even close for me. I had a mkIIn serviced a while back and the two different programs I used told me I had 42K & 67K, Canon sent me a report and said I had 82K. So, I don't think I would trust any program to tell me my shutter count (some it might work for, mine didn't). I wouldn't really care about the shutter count anyway as long as the price was good. I had one replaced a couple months ago for $250.
mco_970 wrote:
Call Canon and ask if it has had the shutter repaired if you are curious. They will probably tell you if you ask nicely.
I bought a higher milage 1D2n and it has been a champ.
IMO 1D2n's images are beautiful on the screen where 7D's show more noise at lower ISOs. OTOH, 7D is great for larger prints with loads of detail. I need to sell either my 7D or 1D2n soon and it's a TOUGH choice. My head says keep 7D, my heart adores the 1D2n.
I tried to call Canon about a camera I was looking to buy and they told me that unless it had been in the system for service or repair within 6 months, they wouldn't have it in their system. I guess that could be a good thing?
I have one that has over 200K on it, and it still clicks away smooth as ever. Don't worry about high miles.
Good luck with your purchase, hope you get a good deal. You'll have to post some photos after you buy it.
vince_ross wrote:
I wouldn't really care about the shutter count anyway as long as the price was good. I had one replaced a couple months ago for $250.
I have one that has over 200K on it, and it still clicks away smooth as ever. Don't worry about high miles.
If and when you bought a used car, didn't you worry about high miles ?
"Good price" on 1DMkIIN can turn into a "bad price" when the shutter fails earlier than expected.
Canada Canada charges non CPS members $400+ for 1DMkIIN shutter replacement. That is significant on top of a $1,000 camera.
Furthermore, I have found Opanda exif reader to be reliable when it comes to the camera shutter count, in fact it correlates well with whatever Canon Canada repair folks use for that purpose.
gheller wrote:
Had the 1D2 (non-n). Sold it after 389,000 actuations.
Bought the 7D. Tried so hard to like it.
Sold the 7D
Bought another 1D2 (non-n) and have no regrets.
To the person that said the battery life is mediocre on the 1D2, you must have had a short in your camera. I routinely got 2000 - 3000 shots on one battery charge (pretty standard... do the research).
The 7D was difficult to exploit the max FPS, AF wasn't even close (the guy that said it was similar to his 1D4 must've had a *really* bad 1D4).
I shot for my surfing website (www.FreeSurfPix.com) and my keeper rate from the 7D was about 1/4 of that from the 1D2.
Furthermore, I have found Opanda exif reader to be reliable when it comes to the camera shutter count, in fact it correlates well with whatever Canon Canada repair folks use for that purpose.
Tried Opanda Peter, only good for Windows I'm afraid. I now have the camera serial number and a raw file. Using the foxbat shutter count application, number was as low as he described.
I will attempt to contact Canon Canada to see what, if any, info I can glean. I'm meeting the seller on the weekend and I'm kinda jazzed...gosh, listen to me. Like a school boy combing his hair before the big dance!
I can tell immediately which files are which when viewing on my computer.
The 1D2 is nice, but it lacks a bit of resolution and "pop" that the 5D has.
I am waiting as we speak for my new (to me) 1Ds2 purchased here on FM. The 5D will be listed soon.
HTH
greg
As for a "duff" 7D, I guess it is possible, but I did research and many experienced those issues, so probably not. To get 2K - 3K shots out of my 1D2, I usually had my LCD off. If it was on, I would get 1000 - 1500 per charge. Still stellar IMO
vince_ross wrote:
I tried to call Canon about a camera I was looking to buy and they told me that unless it had been in the system for service or repair within 6 months, they wouldn't have it in their system. I guess that could be a good thing?
I think they BS'd you on this. They can tell on a 1D3 or 5D if warranty work was ever done, I know this because I've called and gotten the info. I had asked them last year whether a 1D3 ever had the shutter replaced and they were able to tell me it had never been sent in.
Hmmm, well I called Canon Canada and the nice man won't tell me anything as parting with that information apparently contravenes our privacy laws of the land. Sigh.
Imagemaster wrote: Oh, bad me. I guess you missed my gazillion shots using other bodies such as 10D, 20D, 1D, 1DMk2, 1DMk3, and 1DsMk2.
No kidding? Such helpful insight. I never knew I enjoyed post-processing so much, or that 7D files required any more PP than those from a 1DMk2.
But since you want some birdies off the perch, or non-birdies, these are just for you:
I only see your 7D photos because every time someone states they don't like it you get hurt and post all your bird photos that have been thoroughly cleaned up in PP with selective NR/masking and act like it's not the noisiest body to date - do you really expect it not to be with 18MP on a cropper? It's no secret there Imagemaster. Your BIF's actually aren't very impressive compared to your other images - nothing to brag about there as far as 7D AF goes. Try shooting them at larger apertures and see what happens - pretty easy to nail stuff at f/10 and f/11. Not saying the 7D's AF isn't impressive or capable but it's no 1DIIN when put to the challenge. The only thing here the I see 7D is better for is shooting at high ISO's 1600+. Not everyone needs that, nor does everyone want to tolerate the noise. I've owned a 7D since the day it was released and put 1000's of clicks on it. It's a nice body and I would suggest it for someone like you who shoots stationary wildlife.
artsupreme wrote:
I only see your 7D photos because every time someone states they don't like it you get hurt and post all your bird photos that have been thoroughly cleaned up in PP with selective NR/masking and act like it's not the noisiest body to date - do you really expect it not to be with 18MP on a cropper? It's no secret there Imagemaster. Your BIF's actually aren't very impressive compared to your other images - nothing to brag about there as far as 7D AF goes. Try shooting them at larger apertures and see what happens - pretty easy to nail stuff at f/10 and f/11. Not saying the 7D's AF isn't impressive or capable but it's no 1DIIN when put to the challenge. The only thing here the I see 7D is better for is shooting at high ISO's 1600+. Not everyone needs that, nor does everyone want to tolerate the noise. I've owned a 7D since the day it was released and put 1000's of clicks on it. It's a nice body and I would suggest it for someone like you who shoots stationary wildlife.
I have done many shots of this exact type, using a variety of Canon's fastest lenses on 1DMkIIN, 1DsMkII, 40D and 7D.
The reasons this particular target type was favoured:
(1) It really challenges (mostly) the camera AF system, and
(2) I can get a reasonable repeatibility of individual test runs because in my area pijuns are much more plentiful than Bald eagles and such, they generally fly faster than eagles, and I can get them to fly head on towards me.
To cut the long story short, this is the typical in-focus capture score I get:
1DMkIIN......2-4 shots OK out of 100 shots fired.
7D..............0-1 shots OK out of 100 shots fired.
The bottom line is that in my test an OK shot with 7D should really be viewed as a lucky (random) success.
As a result, I do not use 7D for any sort of fast action photography any longer. 1DMkIIN, while far from perfect, still does an OK job on action shots for me.
I have also tried to use 7D Servo AF for fly-by type BIF shots where the focusing distance doesn't change much (nor fast)....see an example below done with 1DsMkII + 400 f/2.8 IS wide open.
Even on that type of target motion, 7D doesn't perform nowhere as well as 1DMkIIN (or 1DsMkII).
Grantland wrote:
peter if i might ask what do you use the 7d for?
Grant, 7D has evolved to fulfill the following tasks for me:
(1) When higher-than-usual enlargement cropping is anticipated (typically very distant stationary or slow moving birds)
(2) When spot precision AF focusing is required for flower and bug photography. (That is a great feature, I find)
(3) When small/light/unobtrusive lens and camera is desired. Typically we go somewhere and photography is only a side consideration, "just in case".
. As far as the different software I've used to try and get an accurate shutter count, none of them were even close for me. I had a mkIIn serviced a while back and the two different programs I used told me I had 42K & 67K, Canon sent me a report and said I had 82K. So, I don't think I would trust any program to tell me my shutter count (some it might work for, mine didn't). I wouldn't really care about the shutter count anyway as long as the price was good. I had one replaced a couple months ago for $250.
Oh, bad me. I guess you missed my gazillion shots using other bodies such as 10D, 20D, 1D, 1DMk2, 1DMk3, and 1DsMk2. 