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Archive 2011 · 1D X Feature Set Pros & Cons

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Pixel Perfect wrote:
Well compared to a 1Ds III, it pretty much blows it away. 3MP in res is nothing. If this is not worth $6800, then 1Ds III is not worth $5800, but is still $7K and was $8K. So it's better value than it could have been seeing US dollar is in the toilet. But it's a bitter pill for those that have been the 1D non s series, as it's a 40% price increase on an already expensive camera.

I agree that, if I had to make a choice between buying a 1Ds Mark III and a 1D X for the same price, my choice would easily be to buy the 1D X. I agree that 3 mp is negligible, and the other improvements in the 1D X would be very compelling. On the other hand, if I already had a 1Ds Mark III, I'm not sure that I could make a case for why it would make sense to sell the 1Ds Mark III, add a few thousand dollars, and buy a 1D X. As I've said in another post, the 1D X would seem to be a worthy upgrade for owners of 1Ds Mark II and other older bodies, but I'm not convinced that the same thing is true for those who already have a 1Ds Mark III.

Les

Oct 18, 2011 at 10:24 PM

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p.2 #2 · p.2 #2 · 1D X Feature Set Pros & Cons

uz2work wrote:
As I've said in another post, the 1D X would seem to be a worthy upgrade for owners of 1Ds Mark II and other older bodies, but I'm not convinced that the same thing is true for those who already have a 1Ds Mark III.

Les

Except birders with older bodies (well maybe 1D II(N) users). What they giveth with one hand they taketh with the other.

Oct 18, 2011 at 10:28 PM

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uz2work wrote:
As I've said in another post, the 1D X would seem to be a worthy upgrade for owners of 1Ds Mark II and other older bodies, but I'm not convinced that the same thing is true for those who already have a 1Ds Mark III.

Les

Pixel Perfect wrote:
Except birders with older bodies (well maybe 1D II(N) users). What they giveth with one hand they taketh with the other.

Just one single center point f/8 AF point…that would be worth quite a bit!

Omar

Oct 18, 2011 at 10:46 PM

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p.2 #4 · p.2 #4 · 1D X Feature Set Pros & Cons

It better be better than the D3s in high-ISO noise to justify the higher price tag.
It better have a better AF system than anything to justify the price tag.

I like a simple AF system that just works. This one seems to be very complicated requiring an engineering genius to figure out how to set it in a given situation.

I am still waiting for greater AF point spread in a FF body. Not seeing it yet.

Like others have said, why no AF sensitive at f/8? Not a deal breaker for say but just saying given the price tag.
Why so many different types of AF point, some being better than others? I like the IV philosophy make all of the points cross type.

12 FPS

? Really how many FPS is enough?

Oct 18, 2011 at 11:06 PM

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p.2 #5 · p.2 #5 · 1D X Feature Set Pros & Cons

I like all the pro's and even all of the con's except no articulated LCD Screen which is very helpful if you are getting old enough to not want to be getting up and down a lot for unusual perspectives.

Oct 18, 2011 at 11:18 PM

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elPDX wrote:
I like a simple AF system that just works. This one seems to be very complicated requiring an engineering genius to figure out how to set it in a given situation.

Interesting…according to this C. Westfall quote, the AF system on the new 1D X is simpler to use while at the same time, the official press release calls it the most sophisticated system ever. I am very interested to see how Canon will employ both sophistication & simplicity of use with 61 AF points.

"A common response to the 1D III and 1D IV was that people loved the idea of a high spec AF system but they wanted an easier way of get the most out of it. The improvements from the 1D III to the 1D IV were substantial but also incremental - to make a bigger step forward this time we needed to start from scratch."

"The EOS-1D X includes a brand new 61-Point High Density Reticular AF, the most sophisticated DSLR AF system Canon has ever released."

Omar

Oct 18, 2011 at 11:26 PM

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p.2 #7 · p.2 #7 · 1D X Feature Set Pros & Cons

There will be dozens of threads about which AF modes and options to use in which situations. Simple - no way.

EBH

Oct 18, 2011 at 11:29 PM

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elPDX wrote:
It better be better than the D3s in high-ISO noise to justify the higher price tag.
It better have a better AF system than anything to justify the price tag.

I like a simple AF system that just works. This one seems to be very complicated requiring an engineering genius to figure out how to set it in a given situation.

I am still waiting for greater AF point spread in a FF body. Not seeing it yet.

Like others have said, why no AF sensitive at f/8? Not a deal breaker for say but just saying given the price tag.
Why so many different...Show more →

8 FPS is enough for me.

EBH

Oct 18, 2011 at 11:36 PM

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no box for "I don't want to haul around an absurdly big body around the World" option?

Gimme this feature set in a 7D body size and I may actually be interested in paying something within this price range, well a grand or two under, but, count me only very, very only mildly interested in this.

Oct 18, 2011 at 11:51 PM

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EB-1 wrote:
There will be dozens of threads about which AF modes and options to use in which situations. Simple - no way.

EBH

What would be funny if the differences between settings were minimal anyway.

Oct 18, 2011 at 11:52 PM

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p.2 #11 · p.2 #11 · 1D X Feature Set Pros & Cons

As i do not shoot ultra long tele with 2xTCs I am unfamiliar with the problems. I understand that a 300 f4 with a 2xTC becomes a 600mm f8.
Are there current cameras that handle the AF for these setups?
If so it seems to me that the specs that Canon are publishing may be on the conservative side.

As they are enormously sensitive about their AF performance these days I can hardly believe they had gone backwards in capability. What is the case with current bodies?

Oct 19, 2011 at 12:13 AM

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FF in high fps

Oct 19, 2011 at 12:21 AM

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I like the multiple exposure capability

Oct 19, 2011 at 12:33 AM

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p.2 #14 · p.2 #14 · 1D X Feature Set Pros & Cons

Voted for the high fps, but mainly for the larger faster clearing buffer that comes with it. The no AF at f8 is a non issue for me personally, but is probably the only weakness of the camera. Then again that market may not be its intended target.

Oct 19, 2011 at 01:23 AM

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p.2 #15 · p.2 #15 · 1D X Feature Set Pros & Cons

I read most of Canon docs on 1D X. I missed the part about f/5.6. Can you point me in the right direction ?

Oct 19, 2011 at 01:43 AM

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p.2 #16 · p.2 #16 · 1D X Feature Set Pros & Cons

It may sound weird but the thing which most impressed me having owned and shot professionally with the 1Ds3 and would be a seller for me if I was rich enough (I ain't) was the addition of C modes. Finally!

Oct 19, 2011 at 06:07 AM

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ciprian.trofin wrote:
I read most of Canon docs on 1D X. I missed the part about f/5.6. Can you point me in the right direction ?

Two sources...
From an e-mail from Chuck Westfall to Arthur Morris:

"AF is unavailable on the EOS-1D X if the maximum aperture reported to the camera through the electronic lens mount is smaller than f/5.6. This is a lower specification than previous EOS-1 series DSLRs. On the plus side, consider the fact that with most f/4 lenses including the 400 DO, 500/4L IS and IS II, and 600/4L IS and IS II, you now have 41 cross-type AF points plus color and face detection, whereas you had no cross-type points and no color or face detection during AF with previous EOS-1 series DSLRs using the same lenses, not to mention a significantly wider AF coverage area from left to right."

And from the actual press release:

"The 21 focusing points in the central area are standard precision cross-type and effective with maximum apertures as small as f/5.6, depending on the lens in use. The center five points are also high-precision diagonal cross-type points for maximum apertures as small as f/2.8. All 61 points are sensitive to horizontal contrast with maximum apertures as small as f/5.6"

Omar

Oct 19, 2011 at 06:50 AM

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p.2 #18 · p.2 #18 · 1D X Feature Set Pros & Cons

I'd only celebrate the loss of 1.3 x crop if the 1Dx pixel count was higher. This camera is not a 1Dmk4 replacement despite its FPS and superior high ISO capabilities. This is just my opinion, others will disagree vehemently and probably attempt to flame! As brilliant as this surely is, it just isn't for me, I'll wait for something else.

I'd only be interested in selling the 1Dmk4 if the 1Dx had a 26mp ff sensor with a 16-ish mp crop mode. I'd take a 1 stop advantage over the 1Dmk4 in ISO performance for this spec. As it is, I'm sure those who buy the new camera will love it and there is a lot to love about it, once their spouses and bank managers have finished beating them around the head

Oct 19, 2011 at 08:03 AM

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p.2 #19 · p.2 #19 · 1D X Feature Set Pros & Cons

Since I'm not buying one I didn't vote as I see no point in skewing the poll results. However the loss of f8 is going to hurt sales to birders/wildlife shooters. Its almost as if they just blindly left that market segment out of the planning. Unless it can be replaced with software. I would guess a slower frame rate is software programmable as well if its not buried in some custom feature.

But if I were a birder I'd be taking good care of my 1d4.

John

Oct 19, 2011 at 08:07 AM

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p.2 #20 · p.2 #20 · 1D X Feature Set Pros & Cons

This camera hits pretty much all the points I've been looking for. I do want one badly but I am still disappointed there isn't a camera with a smaller form factor and this level af / build / weather seal. 6-8 FPS is more than enough for me.

Oct 19, 2011 at 08:12 AM

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