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Archive 2011 · NEX-5N or NEX-7

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zhangyue wrote:
Purely on cosmetic, I think it like a fancy P&S. You mean its performance will give me delightful surprise or its build quality?
Thanks.

Performance is good enough to compete against the best DSLR (FF aspect excepted). This is not P&S territory, not even close.

Sep 15, 2011 at 01:12 PM

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p.3 #2 · p.3 #2 · NEX-5N or NEX-7

Just got on the pre-order list for the 7 through a local store -the built-in EVF won me so far; let's see what story the actual images released over the next while will tell.

Sep 15, 2011 at 02:16 PM

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p.3 #3 · p.3 #3 · NEX-5N or NEX-7

You'll find IQ very good, but given your list of "likes" about the D700, as Isaid before, you should really try out a NEX before you commit as the ergo's are an entirely different animal than your DSLR.

I never say I will commit on NEX ONLY

Basically, I want to have a small system handy and can records video sometimes. NEX seems an one of better options out there.
Plus, those Leica lens is really tempting. This seems a logical path for member of alter forum: start with ZF/ZE/ZK, then move up to Leica. I understand there is nothing to do with picture quality,(might be a little, some would say) or make me a better photographer, but just want to own something best by the nature of our member here

I will not part with D700 for the time I can see. It is a perfect SLR camera for me. Plus I have some awesome ZF&Nikkor lens to use with it

Sep 15, 2011 at 09:07 PM

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p.3 #4 · p.3 #4 · NEX-5N or NEX-7

philber wrote:
Performance is good enough to compete against the best DSLR (FF aspect excepted). This is not P&S territory, not even close.

I see, so you were refering picture but not build quality.
Thanks.

Sep 15, 2011 at 09:08 PM

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p.3 #5 · p.3 #5 · NEX-5N or NEX-7

Here are my winners:

Ergonomics: NEX-7, by a huge margin
Sensor: NEX-5N, by an almost equally huge margin
Lenses: m4/3, quality as well as selection

I was considering the NEX-7 as an alternative to m4/3, but if the A77 images are anything to go by, it's not worth it. The ergonomics of the NEX-5N isn't really my cup of tea, and as for lenses, none have impressed me so far. Look at the 5N images at dpr, the corners of the bookshelf photo. Impressive high ISO in a small body, but that's about it. If you use legacy glass, on the other hand, or maybe the two new primes are better...

Sep 15, 2011 at 09:22 PM

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p.3 #6 · p.3 #6 · NEX-5N or NEX-7

zhangyue wrote:
I never say I will commit on NEX ONLY

I will not part with D700...Show more →

I knew you were keeping the D700; I meant that you may find the minimalist NEX quite bothersome to use as I would sacrifice a bit of IQ if the camera "felt" right in my hand.

Sep 15, 2011 at 09:34 PM

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p.3 #7 · p.3 #7 · NEX-5N or NEX-7

Jorgen Udvang wrote:
Here are my winners:

Ergonomics: NEX-7, by a huge margin
Sensor: NEX-5N, by an almost equally huge margin
Lenses: m4/3, quality as well as selection

This is all from personal hands-on experience, right?

Sep 15, 2011 at 09:40 PM

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p.3 #8 · p.3 #8 · NEX-5N or NEX-7

I just got 5n with the kit 18-55/3.5-5.6 lens. The camera is actually for my parents, but I'll be keeping it for about a month. My primary gear is 5D II and 21,28,50,100 ZE lenses. Here are my initial impressions.

The body does feel very much like a fancy P&S. The LCD is busy with multiple little icons (which can be turned-off somewhat). The buttons are tiny. The menu feels busy, switching between shooting modes, changing ISO and other settings is not very fast and convenient. Ergonomically it's certainly very different from a DSLR.

Image Quality is very good. It's not 5D II quality, but it's very good and much better than P&S. Especially outdoors, colors and contrast and detail are looking good. Indoors I do notice a lot more noise than 5D II, but still acceptable (for such a little camera).

I think it's a neat little camera with good quality and price. If this was camera for myself (remember this is my parent's camera), I would probably either just keep it with the kit lens or wait for the nex-7 and pair that with higher-end lenses. I feel that the ergonomics of the 5n are limiting for someone who likes to change settings like aperture, shutter speed, exposure compensation, flash compensation, iso, etc. a lot. The nex7 with its extra buttons, wheels and larger size should be a more ergonomical solution.

Sep 15, 2011 at 09:52 PM

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p.3 #9 · p.3 #9 · NEX-5N or NEX-7

First day of shooting with the 5N and I'm very disappointed with the amount of NR I'm seeing in the JPEGs, even with the lowest possible NR settings. However, I did find a couple more than I forgot to neuter before it got too dim outside, so I'll see what I can get tomorrow.

Lightroom support can't come soon enough.

Sep 15, 2011 at 10:20 PM

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p.3 #10 · p.3 #10 · NEX-5N or NEX-7

Jorgen Udvang wrote:
Here are my winners:

Ergonomics: NEX-7, by a huge margin
Sensor: NEX-5N, by an almost equally huge margin

Re: the sensor. Really? You really have very little to go on to determine that the 5N 16mp sensor is better than the 7 24mp sensor "by an almost equally huge margin" from the limited amount of per-production information out there. I do think: 1) such an assessment is very premature, 2) we have to wait and see, 3) Compared to the A77, the IQ of the NEX-7 is almost certainly better because of the A77 translucent mirror technology, and 4) effective comparison would involve NEX-7 images down sampled to 16mp, where I think you'll find that "huge margin" you suggest exists will disappear (but we'll wait and see).

I suspect, but do not know and can not categorically say, that at base and low ISO the NEX-7 will be superior to the 5N and at high ISO equal to it. This combined with the better ergonomics. controls and features, made the pre-ordering NEX-7 an easy decision.

Sep 15, 2011 at 10:23 PM

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p.3 #11 · p.3 #11 · NEX-5N or NEX-7

Excellent samples from the 50 AIS, you make me wanna get that lens!

I own a D700 and a NEX 3. I want to upgrade in the near future and it looks like the 5N is the one. Samples from the 7 doesn't look mighty good and I imagine shooting 24MP on a cropper would require excellent lenses and high precision to really squeeze the full potential of the sensor. For me, the NEX is my street and holiday camera so I don't need that level of scrutiny.

Sep 15, 2011 at 10:30 PM

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p.3 #12 · p.3 #12 · NEX-5N or NEX-7

Lotusm50 wrote:
Re: the sensor. Really? You really have very little to go on to determine that the 5N 16mp sensor is better than the 7 24mp sensor "by an almost equally huge margin" from the limited amount of per-production information out there. I do think: 1) such an assessment is very premature, 2) we have to wait and see, 3) Compared to the A77, the IQ of the NEX-7 is almost certainly better because of the A77 translucent mirror technology, and 4) effective comparison would involve NEX-7 images down sampled to 16mp, where I think you'll find that "huge margin" you...Show more →

We all guess when it come to the quality of the NEX-7 sensor, but comparisons I've seen so far between the A77, NEX-5N and the A900 indicates larger differences that what should be expected from the translucent mirror of the A77. Add to that the mediocre quality of some of the NEX lenses already at 16MP, and I wonder how they are going to handle 50% more pixels. It's nice if the 24 and 50mm are good quality lenses, but for most photographers, that is not enough to build a system upon.

One can always claim that with only 15 months on the market, one cannot expect a complete system yet, but in that case, the release of the NEX-7 is probably a bit premature. The average buyer for a camera in this category will most probably expect a reasonable selection of lenses that match the quality of the camera. I was considering this camera seriously for my own use, but I cannot see how it can replace m4/3 for me. A nice camera for high quality legacy glass though, and the gadget freaks will obviously buy it in zillions

Sep 15, 2011 at 10:54 PM

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p.3 #13 · p.3 #13 · NEX-5N or NEX-7

if you want to shoot now get the 5n. Remember 7 is sony/minolta's magic number.

Sep 15, 2011 at 11:17 PM

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Sep 15, 2011 at 11:53 PM

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p.3 #15 · p.3 #15 · NEX-5N or NEX-7

So summarize:

NEX 7

Plus:

On board EVF
24M sensor
ergonomics
build quality

Cons:

$600 more expensive for body only, about $250~$350 more than 5N+EVF depend on deal
Not release yet
24M file (if you don't need that size, it is become a burden)
High ISO performance compare to 5N
May slower for Continuous shooting in RAW or full size JPG. (it is not clear from SONY's spec, but I interpolate it by the way Sony's spec and feature based on it use the same processor engine)

NEX-5N

Plus:

Cheaper
Slightly smaller and lighter
can have it now
16M sensor with better low light performance

Minus:
build quality
no on board EVF($350 option)
handling
look (at least to my eyes)
16M sensor (could be bad for you)

Is that it?

Sep 16, 2011 at 12:01 AM

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p.3 #16 · p.3 #16 · NEX-5N or NEX-7

Lotusm50 wrote:
4) effective comparison would involve NEX-7 images down sampled to 16mp, where I think you'll find that "huge margin" you suggest exists will disappear (but we'll wait and see).

Do I need any special setting to down sample to 16mp to have it has the same or better looking file than 5N, or I just need resize it. I automatically get better file quality?

I see this down sample theory many time, (5dII vs D700) but never bother to digger into it

Sep 16, 2011 at 12:06 AM

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p.3 #17 · p.3 #17 · NEX-5N or NEX-7

Jorgen Udvang wrote:
We all guess when it come to the quality of the NEX-7 sensor, but comparisons I've seen so far between the A77, NEX-5N and the A900 indicates larger differences that what should be expected from the translucent mirror of the A77. Add to that the mediocre quality of some of the NEX lenses already at 16MP, and I wonder how they are going to handle 50% more pixels. It's nice if the 24 and 50mm are good quality lenses, but for most photographers, that is not enough to build a system upon.

One can always claim that with only 15...Show more →

The only "scientific" comparison I've seen so far puts the A77 pretty much _at_ the 5N in high iso noise-capacity when resized and sampled. I suspect that the 5N and the 7 will be hard to pick apart when it comes to noise characteristics.

When it comes to quality of lenses, I've never understood why people hate on the 16/2.8. Stopped down it looks good and a kit consisting of 16, 35 and 75 for instance, is superb (24, 50 and 105 ekvivalent). That means that you would have to settle for two manual focus lenses, but I suspect most people in this forum sees this as a plus, not minus... :P

Sep 16, 2011 at 01:28 AM

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p.3 #18 · p.3 #18 · NEX-5N or NEX-7

ulrikft2 wrote:
we'll wait and see).

When it comes to quality of lenses, I've never understood why people hate on the 16/2.8. Stopped down it looks good

Ulrik,simply, I tried two copies on my NEX 5 and the results were that corners looked like mush at infinity, including at f:8.0. Many others reported the same, though some pics showed that this was not a universal truth. Which leads to suspect unusuall nasty copy variation.
I tried another, more recent copy on a NEX C3 and it was much better. Certainly not great corner performance, but in line with reasonable expectations from a cheap plastic kit lens. At that stage, it becomes possible to appreciate the nice colours and good flare resistance this lens offers.

Sep 16, 2011 at 02:06 AM

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p.3 #19 · p.3 #19 · NEX-5N or NEX-7

Ah, ok, mine is quite good actually. Got lucky

Sep 16, 2011 at 04:01 AM

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p.3 #20 · p.3 #20 · NEX-5N or NEX-7

Is there any kind of remote release for the NEX's? Like a cable release or something?

Sep 16, 2011 at 05:25 AM

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