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nixland wrote:
Please post some more portrait shots (like MichaDs photo above, which looks so good to me) where the model is about 4 meters/13 feet and the background is about 10-15 meters and the background should be full of leaves or busy background. Thanks.

Does this qualify? Was shot on a crop though as my 5DII was in repair at the time.

Aug 04, 2011 at 12:50 PM

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p.2 #2 · p.2 #2 · Voigtlander 125 Images

What's the going price on the V125? Any word on a version II?

Aug 04, 2011 at 06:35 PM

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sebboh wrote:
look through the admirable blur thread, i believe there are a number such shots there.

Ah yes, I will looking through it too.

MichaD wrote:
Does this qualify? Was shot on a crop though as my 5DII was in repair at the time.
http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/4824/img2267lowres.jpg

Uhm, the background is too close to the model or the model is too far from camera, either way

(the BG is not blur enough), but the set is exactly what I want. If the model is closer to the camera than that's what I need to see

But thanks for sharing the photo.

netexpress wrote:
What's the going price on the V125? Any word on a version II?

You could check the latest eBay auction price for V125 on different mount for the last couple of months in this thread

https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1025651/3

Aug 04, 2011 at 07:27 PM

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netexpress wrote:
What's the going price on the V125? Any word on a version II?

There is no version II in sight, or even rumoured. The word is that Cosina won't make one as they make the Zeiss lenses these days and won't ruin their relation with Zeiss.

That's unfortunate as the Zeiss 100mm macro has quite some of LoCA compared to the Voigtländer. The CV is also more APO than the Leica 100/2.8 APO macro in my experience.

I have a copy of the CV125/2.5 Macro in C/Y mount. Basically all my lenses are for sale and I think I would ask EUR 1.250 for it (very good condition).

Different mount versions go for different prices, you can see that in the link nixland gave you.

/Jonas

Aug 04, 2011 at 08:15 PM

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p.2 #5 · p.2 #5 · Voigtlander 125 Images

Cool shots here. I'm lurking this thread and lusting for this lens. It is way better than my Micro-Nikkor 105 VR.

Aug 05, 2011 at 02:49 AM

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p.2 #6 · p.2 #6 · Voigtlander 125 Images

Mhh, difficult. Not too many shots with people in my portfolio. A few more you might be interested in, all from the same gig.

and just to show off the CA control

Aug 05, 2011 at 03:37 PM

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p.2 #7 · p.2 #7 · Voigtlander 125 Images

Thanks MichaD. I really appreciate it. Cool shots!
I think I can get the rendering character of the V125 from your photos for portrait/people shots, including blur/bokeh character for busy background.
Also from "Admirable" blur samples thread at page 59 (stork and model shots).
It looks great. It has resemblance to the character of my Olympus Zuiko 85/2 MC.

Aug 05, 2011 at 07:53 PM

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p.2 #8 · p.2 #8 · Voigtlander 125 Images

Several good members have already contributed to this thread, or linked to other places. Still, I have the CV125APO and the thread made me curious. Why is it I never use this lens?

I once owned a Pentax mount version of the CV125. Back then the lens didn't cost a lot and I bought it as it was the recommended lens for macros. I used it for a short time only as i I went to Canon (5D and 5DMkII) and the lens didn't fit, at least not without performing a leverectomi getting rid op the lens' aperture control pin. I sold it and have since then tried other great lenses in the range, including the Elmarit-R 100/2.8 Macro APO. When I found a CV125 again I bought it thinking it should serve me for many years.

By that time I went to 4/3 and micro 4/3 systems hailing portability rather than image quality. By time my eyesight got worse and I now need an EVF. For the moment APS-C is the biggesr sensor available for me.

Yesterday I needed to buy a few things. I decided to bring the CV125 for the short walk just to get a feeling of it with with a modern APS-C sensor.

Conditions: heavy overcast
Camera: A Sony Nex-5
Tripod: no, not when out for buying some groceries
Post processing: very mild only, ACR, standard contrast, no LCE, nothing special

I'm mainly into documentary and happy snaps. I'm good at that, or average. With a tele lens like this I'm a little lost. My bag usually contanis a 16mm, a 31mm and a 50 or 60mm lens. 125 is a very long lens for me.


	http://photos.imageevent.com/jonas_b/fotoforum2011mixed/fmaltgear2011/b173_CV125APO_f2.5_flower_window.jpg

This against the bright window, wide open. There is hardly any fringe and the little there is can be seen to the right."

We have trams in Gothenburg. That means a lot of noise and a lot of poles holding the wiring system:


	http://photos.imageevent.com/jonas_b/fotoforum2011mixed/fmaltgear2011/b178_CV125APO_comp_powerline.jpg


	http://photos.imageevent.com/jonas_b/fotoforum2011mixed/fmaltgear2011/b187_CV125APO_f4_chimney.jpg

That worked OK. Both the f/2.5 and the f/4 images are OK showing the metal work around the background chimney without too much purple. Here is a crop showing what associations the pipes gave to somebody:


	http://photos.imageevent.com/jonas_b/fotoforum2011mixed/fmaltgear2011/b187_chimney_crop.jpg

Now I'm closer to the square and the grocery store. The signs made take this image, the bottom third is cropped away:


	http://photos.imageevent.com/jonas_b/fotoforum2011mixed/fmaltgear2011/b191_CV125APO_f2.5_street.jpg

At the other side of the small local street a guy came biking, I think he listened to the music more than he payed attention to the traffic or his bike:


	http://photos.imageevent.com/jonas_b/fotoforum2011mixed/fmaltgear2011/b193_CV125APO_f2.5_biker_overview.jpg

Ooops. That came out smaller than meant. Above. uncropped. Below a cropped version:


	http://photos.imageevent.com/jonas_b/fotoforum2011mixed/fmaltgear2011/b193_CV125APO_f2.5_biker.jpg

Thinking about it he probably was more like 15 meters away. With a Nex you can have the camera set to S priority and the ISO to Auto. That's what should have set it to. Now I didn't have the time to change both the aperture and the ISO value.

At Wieselgrensplatsen, a kind of square with several shops:


	http://photos.imageevent.com/jonas_b/fotoforum2011mixed/fmaltgear2011/b194_CV125APO_f2.5_gatumusik.jpg

So it goes, shame on me for not checking the focus in enlarged view. An 190mm equivalent lens is tricky for street works. I know some like it... Normally i would have used my 31mm lens here. Now I had to be fast to capture the woman before other people around us got in the way. A lame excuse, I know. Here is the crop:


	http://photos.imageevent.com/jonas_b/fotoforum2011mixed/fmaltgear2011/b194_transition_crop.jpg

and


	http://photos.imageevent.com/jonas_b/fotoforum2011mixed/fmaltgear2011/b222_CV125APO_f4_flower.jpg

I don't know if this help or not. I learned the lens is too long for me. I'll put it up for sale as it deserves a better home. The day a FF Live view EVF camera surfaces I'll regret selling it. But having lenses on the shelf collecting dust is no good thing. I hope somebody else can put it to good use. I'll stay happy with my "long" 60mm lens for now.

/Jonas

Aug 06, 2011 at 05:47 PM

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p.2 #9 · p.2 #9 · Voigtlander 125 Images

Hmmm.

It's cheaper than the 90/2 Asph I was considering, but definitely a step down in IQ. Not sure if should purchase....

Aug 06, 2011 at 08:25 PM

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Sp12 wrote:
Hmmm.

It's cheaper than the 90/2 Asph I was considering, but definitely a step down in IQ. Not sure if should purchase....

I'm not sure it is definitely a step down in IQ. It is different though. I recall my 90Cron ASPH as weaker at short distances, maybe better than the CV125 at longer distances. The CV125 definitely has a more soft and gentle bokeh.

One would need to do better more controlled tests to check "sharpness" if wanting to compare these two lenses. My images don't do the lens justice I'm afraid. I can hardly hold such long lenses by hand without shaking them. Also remember my images are very gently post-processed.

Now that I have dusted the lens off I can try do something with a tripod if you wish. What sort of images would you like to see if so?

Aug 06, 2011 at 08:43 PM

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Jonas B wrote:
I'm not sure it is definitely a step down in IQ. It is different though. I recall my 90Cron ASPH as weaker at short distances, maybe better than the CV125 at longer distances. The CV125 definitely has a more soft and gentle bokeh.

I have read that this was the compromise in design in order to produce a fast, very compact lens, thus leaving near distances for the 100 Makro APO to handle. The aspherical element may have something to do with the somewhat 'nervous' bokeh.

Aug 06, 2011 at 09:49 PM

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p.2 #12 · p.2 #12 · Voigtlander 125 Images

Some infinity work would be awesome. I'm a big fan of fast 70-100s for landscape work. Typical portrait distances would be cool as well if you have the time.

Aug 06, 2011 at 09:58 PM

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Sp12 wrote:
Some infinity work would be awesome. I'm a big fan of fast 70-100s for landscape work. Typical portrait distances would be cool as well if you have the time.

The CV125 APO Macro, on a tripod and mounted to a Nex-5, some infinity work and something at a portrait distance - I can try to do something in the beginning of next week. Unfortunately a crop camera though, it will be like a center crop from a high resolution FF camera then.

Aug 06, 2011 at 10:25 PM

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Great photos from Jonas.
Please more ...

Aug 07, 2011 at 03:56 AM

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An infinity sample here:
http://photos.imageevent.com/jonas_b/fotoforum2011mixed/fmaltgear2011/b349_CV125APO_f5.6_infinity.jpg
I focused at the warm coloured building in the center of the image, the distance between here and there is 1600 meters, or about a mile then. The 100% crop below is from the marked square in the center.

Crop:
http://photos.imageevent.com/jonas_b/fotoforum2011mixed/fmaltgear2011/b349_CV125APO_f5.6_infinity_crop.jpg
Above; Nex-5, CV125/2.5 APO Macro, f/5.6, ACR, very neutral settings, web sharpening only

I have no other 125mm lens for a comparison but to my eyes it looks pretty good. Remember the un-sophisticated PP; everything in ACR was set to neutral (incl curves which were a straight line), no LCE or anything else but some sharpening for the web.

What I have is another long lens seldom seeing the light:
http://photos.imageevent.com/jonas_b/fotoforum2011mixed/fmaltgear2011/b357_telyt18034_f5.6_infinity_crop.jpg
Above; Nex-5, Telyt-R 180/3.4 APO, f/5.6, ACR, the same neutral settings, downsizing and then some sharpening for the web

One have to really look close to see any differences between these images. The Telyt is super sharp and its sweet spot is at f/5.6. It's not bad being able to match it, or very very close to do so at least, even if the Telyt-R image is downsized.

A Nex-5 has a pixel density corresponding to a FF sensor with 33MP. You'll have to do a lot of interpolation in your head. Perhaps the only conclusion one can draw is the CV125 at least is no slouch (in the center then, for you FF folks).

Aug 08, 2011 at 03:48 PM

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It does look pretty good. I know the 180/3.4 is probably one of the best infinities out there, so the fact this can even get close is impressive.

Did you happen to shoot a shot wide open at infinity? Foreground OOF rendering is often compromised for background smoothness.

Aug 08, 2011 at 04:55 PM

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Yes I did. But alas, the roofs in the bottom of the un-cropped image are 400+ meters away so they captured within the DOF also at f/2.5.
I understand your question; I was very annoyed by my old Pentax 50/1.4 which had it the other way round with ugly background bokeh and nice foreground bokeh. Maybe I'll look into this some day.

Aug 08, 2011 at 05:20 PM

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Foreground bokeh shots:

Aug 09, 2011 at 01:56 PM

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Micha, I like your image #4. Well done!

Here is a more formal thing, a compilation showing that focus shift is of no concern with this lens. Distance about 0.5m, mm-scale at 45 degree:
http://photos.imageevent.com/jonas_b/fotoforum2011mixed/fmaltgear2011/CV125_focus_shift_test.jpg

Aug 09, 2011 at 03:58 PM

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As we are dealing with a macro lens I thought I should have a check at the IQ at closer focusing distances as well.

If something is good or bad we can only "know" by comparing it to something. I decided to compare the close-up performance of the CV125 to the Elmarit-R 60/2.8 Macro. I think the Leica is a good benchmark. The CV125 matched, or was freak'n close to match, the Telyt-R 180/3.4 at infinity. Does it do well as a macro?

I took a series of images of this kitchy metal star. It is approx 70mm high so the scale ended up at 1:5.3 for the full image. The shooting distance was 0.47m for the 60mm lens and 0.86m for the CV125.

The full images look like this one:
http://photos.imageevent.com/jonas_b/fotoforum2011mixed/fmaltgear2011/CV125_R60M_star2_overview.jpg
There was a scratch at the end of the arrow which I tried to focus on.

I made 100% crops from the images and put them together as a thing looking like this:
http://photos.imageevent.com/jonas_b/fotoforum2011mixed/fmaltgear2011/CV125_R60M_star2_crop_comp_Mini.jpg

Click here to see the 100% crops at their correct size (2MB).

Aug 09, 2011 at 07:36 PM

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