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p.2 #1 · Thoughts on a d5100 DX lightweight setup


These are some of the pictures I took in two weeks ago with my D5100 and 10-24
http://assuredphoto.com/Images/062911r0048w.jpg

enhanced with ACDsee
http://assuredphoto.com/Images/062911r0048we.jpg

reflected from a mud puddle
http://assuredphoto.com/Images/063011r0103w.jpg


http://assuredphoto.com/Images/063011r0126w.jpg


and 28-300
http://assuredphoto.com/Images/063011r0070w.jpg



Jul 16, 2011 at 08:38 PM
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p.2 #2 · Thoughts on a d5100 DX lightweight setup


Alright, well I decided to give the D5100 a try and got quite the fantastic deal at B&H

It was $799 for just the body alone, OR $829 for the body with the 18-55 VR lens and I've got a friend who wants the 18-55 VR for $100 so it makes the camera body only $700 for me.

Additionally, they had a promotion where you got a discount on an additional lens purchase.

70-300 VR was $329, 55-300 VR was $209 and the 55-200 VR was $129 with discount. Great price on all of those really.

I've had the 70-300 VR before and while it was a nice lens, its 745 grams. The 55-200 is only 335 grams so thats a pretty big 410 gram difference there, and I really don't plan to be shooting longer than 200mm that often as I do more landscapes and scenics so that extra 100mm reach, where the lens isn't at its best anyways, would cost me over twice the weight the an extra $200.

55-200 VR seems to be quite highly regarded though and should prove to be a good lightweight lens for those times when I might want to get a compressed landscape or something. For $129 how bad could it really be right ? Still got a 70-200 f2.8 and 200-400 f4, both of which take well with a 1.4x TC as well for those times when I really do want some real reach, such as at a zoo or something too (Plus I actually find that given its not like I print zoo photos, my Sony HX100v with its 27-810mm equiv range fits the bill pretty well there)

Guess in a perfect world I'd have bought both the 55-200 VR and 70-300 VR but given I can't see a ton of use for either of them in a travel type setup might as well save some cash and weight.


Getting the 35mm f1.8 DX lens as well since that seems like a no brainer for $200 and its always nice to have something fast in the bag, even on vacations, and that just leaves the wide angle option....


Tokina 12-24 II or Nikon 10-24 seem to be the two I've narrowed it down to. Nikon 12-24 is probably nice too but just seems rather pricey, near $1000 compared to the other options so unless its clearly better seems like I can rule that one out.

I've been hearing the 10-12mm setting on the 10-24 shows a lot of distortion as well and that the 12-24 is better corrected. Any truth to this ?






Jul 16, 2011 at 09:11 PM
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p.2 #3 · Thoughts on a d5100 DX lightweight setup


Can't answer that directly, but I did compare the Nikon 12-24 to the Tokina 12-24 back somewhere in the past. They were very close in performance, I liked the Tokina's push-pull clutch, and the Tokina was half the price, so I kept the Tokina and sold the Nikon. At the time, the Tokina 12-24 was my only third-party lens.


Jul 16, 2011 at 09:22 PM
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p.2 #4 · Thoughts on a d5100 DX lightweight setup


The Tokina certainly does look like its got the more rugged build (Ironic thing for me to care about given I bought a plastic mount 55-200 VR ) and I do like that its internal focus unlike the 10-24 which extends.


Jul 16, 2011 at 09:31 PM
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p.2 #5 · Thoughts on a d5100 DX lightweight setup


I've had the Nikkor and the Sigma 12-24. I like the 10-24 better.
Sometimes there is some distortion at 10mm. It depends on what you shoot.
I would take the 14-24 next time if it fit in my pocket, but I think it weighs about as much as the D5100 and 10-24 together.

An interesting thing happened to me when I got my D3.
I suddenly preferred wide angle shots. I shot the 14-24 with FX camera mostly at 14mm.
Now that I am back to DX, I noticed when looking for 10mm shots, that most of my DX shots were at 24mm.
Except the ones I took at the Grand Canyon at 10mm
http://assuredphoto.com/Images/RDM_0701w.JPG


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Jul 16, 2011 at 09:52 PM
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p.2 #6 · Thoughts on a d5100 DX lightweight setup


I have compared D5000 with 70-300 and D5100 with 55-300 and 70-300 wins (much better sharpness)



Jul 16, 2011 at 09:54 PM
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p.2 #7 · Thoughts on a d5100 DX lightweight setup


nick53097 wrote:
I have compared D5000 with 70-300 and D5100 with 55-300 and 70-300 wins (much better sharpness)



ummm there is no 55-300

Did you mean the 55-200 or the 28-300?



Jul 16, 2011 at 10:04 PM
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p.2 #8 · Thoughts on a d5100 DX lightweight setup


On FX, the 28-300 covers just about everything you need for a family walk around lens, so rather than spend more money on getting a DX body and thus other DX lenses, just go with a D700 / 28-300 combo.

The other option, if you want even lighter than the D700 / 28-300 combo, would be to go with a D5100 / 18-200 combo. Same deal, covers it all, but significantly ligher and smaller than any FX setup.

In my mind, the "family walk around" kit should be as simple as possilbe, so switching lenses is not desired. I suppose a 35 f/1.8 or a 50 f/1.8 would be a nice compliment to the 18-200, but anything more than that seems to defeat the purpose in my mind.

Just my thoughts offered as something to ponder. I hope this helps.

Cheers,
Andre


millsart wrote:
Dave,

How do you think something like the newest 28-300 works vs a 55-2/300 over the same range ?

I've used the so called superzooms ages ago and they were always pretty poor. I'm sure things may have changed a bit though in the past few years.

I've always experienced that less zoom range on a given lens usually leads to better quality too. Easier to make a 55-300 range than trying to squeeze 28-300 into it, but who knows if that still holds true.

As a whole though, I've never really been all that into the wide range zooms just because they
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Jul 16, 2011 at 10:10 PM
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p.2 #9 · Thoughts on a d5100 DX lightweight setup


"If I could only have one Nikkor DX lens it would be an 18-200".
Lucky me! I have a 10-24, 35mm f/1.8, and 28-300.
I like them all better and they cover a much wider range.



Jul 16, 2011 at 10:19 PM
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p.2 #10 · Thoughts on a d5100 DX lightweight setup


You're gonna love the 55-200, I got mine for $175 ($75 off retail at the time), and I've had nothing but outstanding results with it! First time I took it out on a PJ assignment it proved it's worth with crispy after crispy shot on the golf course. And yes, it's light!


Jul 16, 2011 at 10:29 PM
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p.2 #11 · Thoughts on a d5100 DX lightweight setup


Andre,

B&H link to the 55-300 VR lens, it indeed is real

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/729938-GREY/Nikon_2197_AF_S_NIKKOR_55_300mm_f_4_5_5_6G.html

Andre Labonte wrote:
ummm there is no 55-300

Did you mean the 55-200 or the 28-300?




Jul 16, 2011 at 10:37 PM
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p.2 #12 · Thoughts on a d5100 DX lightweight setup


Well, I stand corrected How the hell did I miss that one?

Thank you for the correction and my appologies for the misinformation.


millsart wrote:
Andre,

B&H link to the 55-300 VR lens, it indeed is real

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/729938-GREY/Nikon_2197_AF_S_NIKKOR_55_300mm_f_4_5_5_6G.html





Jul 16, 2011 at 11:09 PM
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p.2 #13 · Thoughts on a d5100 DX lightweight setup


In my house, the P&S role is being handled by the D3000 and kit zoom. The top requirement was weight, and the D5000 added too much for too little. I would certainly upgrade to the D3100 if needed. For double the weight, I have my lovely D300/17-55.




Jul 17, 2011 at 12:23 AM
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p.2 #14 · Thoughts on a d5100 DX lightweight setup


Amazing to see just how big the D300 really is in comparison Rico. I did have one about 2 years ago but never seemed that big because it was smaller than the D3 (unless it had grip)

Amazing just how small the latest APS-C DSLR's have gotten down to these days though. Small isn't for everyone but its great to have options so people can pick a size that fits their needs.

D5100 FYI weights just 24g more than the D3000 did 536g vs 560g and packs in the 16.2meg top of the line sensor and flip out LCD.

Really getting to the point where its the size of the lenses needed to cover the APS-C sensor are starting to be more of a limiting factor than the size of the bodies.



Jul 17, 2011 at 12:44 AM
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p.2 #15 · Thoughts on a d5100 DX lightweight setup


- that picture is pretty funny. The D5100 is such a nice step up from the D3xxx cameras I think most of us here would be disappointed with it.

Congrats on the purchase - come back with some thoughts. You're in a a cool position to compare higher end glass on that body alongside what you ordered.

Sounds like you got a good deal on body and lenses, too...



Jul 17, 2011 at 09:22 AM
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millsart wrote:
Alright, well I decided to give the D5100 a try and got quite the fantastic deal at B&H

It was $799 for just the body alone, OR $829 for the body with the 18-55 VR lens and I've got a friend who wants the 18-55 VR for $100 so it makes the camera body only $700 for me.

Additionally, they had a promotion where you got a discount on an additional lens purchase.

70-300 VR was $329, 55-300 VR was $209 and the 55-200 VR was $129 with discount. Great price on all of those really.

I've had the 70-300 VR before and
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Nice one, that's the kit I suggested

I'd seriously try out the 18-55 lens before selling it on. I think you'll like its IQ, if not its focussing speed.



Jul 17, 2011 at 12:46 PM
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p.2 #17 · Thoughts on a d5100 DX lightweight setup


millsart wrote:
Really getting to the point where its the size of the lenses needed to cover the APS-C sensor are starting to be more of a limiting factor than the size of the bodies.

That's why Nikon's rumored mirrorless entry is supposed to have a 2.5x crop sensor - to get the size of the lenses down so the body + lens package is small.

I too am looking to sell my D300 and get a D5100 as an alternative to my D700 for vacations and such. Actually, the D7000 would be great if it had the flip out screen and the D5100 would be perfect if it metered with MF glass . . . as usual there is no perfect option.

John



Jul 17, 2011 at 01:15 PM
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millsart wrote:
I've been hearing the 10-12mm setting on the 10-24 shows a lot of distortion as well and that the 12-24 is better corrected. Any truth to this ?


Well according to photozone.de the 10-24 has -3.1% barrel distortion at 10mm whereas the (Nikon) 12-24 has -1.7% barrel distortion at 12mm.

The 10-24 goes to -0.45% barrel at 14mm, and the 12-24 is at 0.55% pincushion at 18mm. There is no measurement at 12mm for the 10-24, nor at 14mm for the 12-24 for a more direct comparison.

Given these figures I'd say they're about equal. I suppose you could conclude by looking at the grids that the "character" of the distortion on the 12-24mm at 12mm is more complex, but with modern lens correcting algorithms this is not super important anymore.

Unless you were talking about the Tokina 12-24, which has -2.26% barrel at 12mm and -0.624% pincushion at 18mm. So in the 12mm range I'd say the 10-24 is better than the Tokina and likely a tossup between the Nikon 10-24 and the 12-24, with a slight edge probably on the 10-24.

http://www.photozone.de/nikon--nikkor-aps-c-lens-tests/443-nikkor_1024_3545?start=1
http://www.photozone.de/nikon--nikkor-aps-c-lens-tests/229-nikkor-af-s-12-24mm-f4g-if-ed-dx-lab-test-report--review?start=1
http://www.photozone.de/nikon--nikkor-aps-c-lens-tests/273-tokina-af-12-24mm-f4-at-x-pro-dx-nikon-lens-test-report--review?start=1

Hope you enjoy the D5100! Going back to your comment about the viewfinder, I don't know if everything has stayed constant but I do know that I can tell a pretty big difference between the viewfinder on my D80 and the times I have looked into others' D5000 or D3100s at the stores, also my cousins' old D50s. I think the D80 viewfinder is pretty on par with the D7k, if not even slightly worse. But it's probably a matter of just being used to what you have- I'm used to the D80 and only occasionally looked into other viewfinders. If you use the D5100 regularly you probably will become accustomed to it in no time.

Norman



Jul 17, 2011 at 04:49 PM
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Wouldn't surprise me at all if they have indeed gotten smaller Norman. I remember some of those older bodies, like the D70 I had (IR modded) which was honestly pretty big. With the newer models scaling down the size I'm sure the size has gone down some.

I think your right though that its really about what you get used to more than anything. No one wants a smaller VF, but I suppose it should at least be perfectly useable still and I'd take it over an EVF in most cases, except maybe really low light where EVF's do seem to have a bit of an edge.

I'm thinking the LCD is going to be sort of the balancing factor though because even with the great vf on my D3, when your trying to shoot low angle etc it requires getting down on the ground and just isn't very comfortable. 5100 should really excel in that area so fair tradeoff for the smaller vf otherwise I'm thinking.

Camera should come on Wednesday so I'll be sure to post some of my impressions on it coming not only from a FX shooter, but also somene who's used m4/3, NEX etc



Jul 17, 2011 at 05:24 PM
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millsart wrote:
Wouldn't surprise me at all if they have indeed gotten smaller Norman. I remember some of those older bodies, like the D70 I had (IR modded) which was honestly pretty big. With the newer models scaling down the size I'm sure the size has gone down some.

I think your right though that its really about what you get used to more than anything. No one wants a smaller VF, but I suppose it should at least be perfectly useable still and I'd take it over an EVF in most cases, except maybe really low light where EVF's do seem to
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Yes, the D5100 is indeed smaller than the D70. I think even the D80 and D90 are smaller, but I'd have to check the specs to be sure.

So, you are getting the D5100 and a 55-200, but selling off the 18-55. What else are you picking up?

You mention WA, Check out 10-24 ... I think photozome has a review of the lense, and I thought Hogan did, but I can't locate it. From what I remember reading is that the 10-24 and 12-24 are similar brom 12-24...yea the 10-24 has distortion at 10 mm but at least it goes there.



Jul 17, 2011 at 06:21 PM
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