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I thought I would relate my experiences with the Foolography Unleashed, in the hopes that they might be of some use to others (especially John, whose penchant for "overthinking" I happen to share).

Last fall I did a lot of research on a GPS solution for use with my Nikon D700. I settled upon the Unleashed because:

1. I didn't want to have to sync up a GPS logger's data file with my pics during post processing;
2. I didn't want something taking up my hot shoe or flailing around on the camera strap as I hiked and bushwacked and took my camera in and out of its backpack;
3. Oliver's solution seemed very elegant, flexible and well-thought out;
4. Oliver was very helpful, to me personally and in forums like this one, in explaining his product and his design considerations.

Unleashed has a premium price, yet it seemed to me like the best product in the market, at least for my needs. So I went ahead and ordered it.

When it arrived, I was very impressed at its diminutive size. When I placed it on the camera, however, I was a little disappointed because it did not align completely squarely with the camera's body. But Oliver had warned of this someplace on Foolography's website, saying that the slight off-angle occurs in some cases because Nikon seems to be rather inconsistent in the way they install the 10-pin connector in the camera bodies. So this was something I was prepared for, and it was not at all a show-stopper.

But what I was not prepared for was the fact that the little holes in the back of the Unleashed, designed to be used for the attachment of a safety tether, turned out to be unusable. I can't remember if the Foolography site actually made reference to those holes or not at the time I was doing my original research. (I don't think it does now.) But the holes are clearly visible in photographs of the Unleashed, both on the Foolography website and elsewhere on the web (reviews, etc.). And because I'd been comparing the Unleashed to other similar competing products which not only sport such holes but are depicted and described being used with a tether, I easily assumed that this is what the holes in the Unleashed were for and could effectively be used this way. So I'd purchased the product feeling confident of this "insurance" against the possible loss of my $250 investment.

But as soon as I tried to put a tether through the two holes, applying only a small amount of force, the little "isthmus" of plastic between the holes broke through. I was rather upset about this and immediately emailed Oliver. He responded in detail, saying that the thickness of the plastic there turned out to be less than anticipated, and that the tolerances in the fabrication process also made this challenging. But he had confidence that if I pushed the Unleashed all the way into the socket, that it would seat very firmly and that I wouldn't have a problem with it coming loose unintentionally. He also discussed some other ideas which I won't go into here, but I will say that I very much appreciated what seemed to me his willingness to be helpful and to communicate honestly the challenges of designing and fabricating a complex, niche product.

So I took Oliver's advice and pushed the Unleashed more firmly onto the 10-pin socket. Lo and behold, it went in a bit further and felt VERY snug. After a little time (of using the camera, taking it in and of its backpack, etc.), I noticed that the Unleashed was coming out just a little (I'm talking like a sixteenth of an inch), so I pushed it back in, and it still felt very snug. So I thought, "well, just keep an eye on it, and push it back in every once in a while if it needs it, and everything will be fine." I never have reason to remove it. I bought an inexpensive Vivitar remote (swapping in a Phottix cable with the needed 2.5mm plug), so using wired or wireless remote with the Unleashed in place is a slam-dunk.

I should note here, almost as an aside (but obviously very important) that I was and have been extremely satisfied with the electronic performance of the Unleashed. Although the initial pairing of the Unleashed with my chosen bluetooth logger (a Qstarz BT-Q1000XT) was a bit involved, it was no big deal--especially given that I'd first read Oliver's very adequate instructions. And I was happy to make that small investment, knowing that my Unleashed would not wind up promiscuously pairing with someone else's bluetooth device later on. The performance of both the Unleashed and the Qstarz has been great over the past half year, and I've never felt like they were power hogs. (Athough I've not tried to do any quantitative assessments, the claims I've seen from Oliver in various contexts regarding the power management "smarts" he designed into the Unleashed seem quite plausible to me.) So I've been very happy with my chosen GPS-logging and photo geotagging solution, and have felt like all that homework paid off.

Until today. Yesterday I spent the day exploring and photographing some very nice parts of upstate New York. And today I noticed that my Unleashed was missing from my camera. Perhaps you can imagine how upset I was to discover this, especially as I'm now trying to prepare for many other aspects of a cross-country trip in a couple weeks. I had assumed that the GPS aspect was in the bag, but NO--now I've spent the whole day re-researching my options, because I can't feel confident that even if I were to purchase another Unleashed that it wouldn't wind up getting lost again. And as anyone (like John) who's studied this issue carefully can see, there don't appear to be any obvious, elegant ways to create an enhanced or supplemental attachment point for an Unleashed-like device on a Nikon camera.

I think Oliver is being truthful when he explains in various contexts that the fit of the Unleashed in the Nikon sockets is very snug, and that it's highly unlikely that some kind of (single) impact would dislodge it from its position on the camera. But what I believe he's failing to consider (or perhaps intentionally avoiding discussion of) is that the real risk to the continuing safe ensconcement of the Unleashed is not a one-time impact, but rather a gradual process by which it works its way out, repeatedly buffeted by hands, the corners of partitions within camera bags, etc. As you saw from my description above, I managed to catch this process several times over the last six or so months and stop it. But clearly something happened yesterday that either sped up the process and/or distracted me from keeping an occasional eye on the placement of the Unleashed. (And I even plugged the remote into it at one point early in the day.) I have no confidence that, if I were to purchase another Unleashed, that this would not repeat itself six or 12 or 18 months down the road. And without a viable means of tethering it, I'd be destined for more unhappy days just like this one. I suspect Oliver will disagree with some of what I've written here. But at this point, I'm feeling rather "Foolographish", and I believe that--given the apparent impracticality of making use of the threads on the camera's 10-pin jack--going completely "Unleashed" is NOT a safe way to go.

Rick Lightbody



Jun 13, 2011 at 12:59 AM
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Sorry to hear about your lost Unleashed. Like your initial experience, mine seems so snug in the socket, that it's hard to believe it would come off. I wonder if the remote shutter release puts some force on the Unleashed that tends to loosen it.



Jun 13, 2011 at 06:13 AM
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Hi Rick,

thanks for your positive remarks!

And I'm very sorry you somehow lost your Unleashed!!
I must say that you are one of only VERY few people who has mangaged to lose their Unleashed. I believe you are the 3rd or 4th that we know of. I did try to do everything possible to minimize the risk of this happening, and although it is now "nearly impossible", of course I cannot guarantee it that it might not be lost. That's why I added the possibility to "leash the Unleashed", but due to space constraints, it sadly turned out to be entirely ineffective (easy to break) in the Unleashed D200+ version. The newer Dx000 and D90 versions have a much sturdier leash-attachment.

So I won't disagree with you, saying that it can't be lost - only that it is highly unlikely. However, my point is, that If I had designed the Unleashed differently, things would/could have been worse, and might have affected way more people.

2) shipping a leash with our Unleashed:
apart from the obvious problem with the name - and suggesting that it is necessary to "put a leash on the Unleashed", such a leash will probably cause more problems than it would prevent. The other end of the leash would most probably be attached to the eyelet of the camera strap and therefore be exposed on the side of the camera. This would make it quite prone to something (such as the camera strap) getting caught on the leash, and jerk out the Unleashed by the leash. I believe this is much more likely to happen, than the rounded Unleashed being pulled out unintentionally, be it in a single motion, or several smaller motions combined. The force required for such a "jerk", would easily be high enough to also rip the leash, or rip off the attachment of the leash from the Unleashed.
This is why we decided on not shipping a leash, nor advertize the feature of being able to attach a leash.
For those who have expressed their worries, we usually suggest the option to drill a hole through the base of the plug, to provide a MUCH more stable leash attachment. We will add an illustrated howto for this on our website soon. I just checked our email conversations, and found that i had suggested this to you as well, after you wrote us about the damaged leash-attachment.

1) making use of the threads:
While one of the factors was additional cost (meaning increased price as well), the main reason for dismissing this option is what I have already mentioned in a previous post: it would have made the Unleashed much larger, and more specifically (and problematically so), it would have been extended to be further away from the camera body.
This would have exposed it much more, and "abuse" of the camera, which currently has almost no effect on the Unleashed, would have caused a lot more stress on the Unleashed, its plug, and the Socket, due to the much longer lever, and therefore stronger forces on the materials. Combined with being in a position where it is more prone to "abuse", I decided the risk is too high that it might break, and it is actually safer to go with a tight fit without threads, and adding a leash-attachment, "just to be safe".


Now while your account of losing the Unleashed is sad, and should really not happen (and we'll be very glad to help you prevent it with your next purchase), just imagine you would have been using any other cabled solution: The forces required to pull out the Unleashed, would have most probably broken the cable, plug, or even worse: the 10-pin socket of your camera, so it would have been an even less safe way to go, don't you think?

Oliver



Jun 13, 2011 at 06:18 AM
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I looked into the Unleashed, but ultimately decided I could put up with cables in order to eliminate the need to keep another battery charged (in the Bluetooth GPS receiver).

The Nikon GP-1 looked okay, but it's very pricey for its poor construction quality, it has very limited features, and the cable is just ridiculously long. It must have been designed by someone who never walks around with a camera.

After looking into the available options — and there are many, almost all of them with dreadful design decisions — I opted for the Dawntech M3L-S3. This model uses the tried and tested SiRFstarIII chip, which works well in "urban canyons". It also isn't packed with features that probably won't work, such as a digital compass, etc.

The unit was quickly shipped from Hong Kong to France, and it largely works as advertised. The construction quality is merely tolerable, similar to the Nikon GP-1, but of course it costs less. It also supports "indoor fix", sending data to the camera from the last known position, i.e. ideally the front door of the building. This is often useful, but equally often unwanted. Unfortunately there is no way to switch between the two modes in the field (I instead have to remember to switch it off when going indoors, and then wait for a fix outside before using the camera), and worse, the Mac software for changing this setting is genuinely broken, i.e. it simply doesn't allow switching off (crashes every single time). So I cannot use my M3L-S3 in a non-logging mode.

Otherwise, I've been pleased with the M3L-S3. And perhaps the Windows software for it works better than the Mac equivalent.

Here it is on my D700:

http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/6639/nikond700.jpg



Jun 13, 2011 at 07:32 AM
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Rick -

Thanks for relaying your experiences.

Based on everyone's inputs I'm going to go with the AoKatec and Holux M-241 GPS logger.
I think the leash is a requirement - if it can fall off a camera I've lost it.

Contrary to Oliver's feelings that the leash will be in the way, I've experience with lens cap leashes on my LX-3 and they work just fine because they are very short and more than make up for the possibility of losing my lens cap on the LX-3.

The leash on the AoKatec is very short and won't get in the way like the other GPS solutions that use the 10pin port and the hot shoe.

Besides, the Holux can be useful all by itself since it has an LCD display and I can take it running, etc. to log my speed/time/altitude.

Thanks - John



Jun 13, 2011 at 04:44 PM
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I chose the AOKA AK-4NII because it has a decent tether and ships with one if you buy direct from wwwaokatech.com. The price was half of what other sites selling the same unit for, $106 with the electronic release and tether.

On my first outing with my camera over my shoulder it managed to dislodge itself and I discovered it dangling from the tether, happy I took the time to hook it up. Here's a photo of how I hook it to my camera strap:

Photo of AOKA AK-4NII tethered

Even though the fit of this unit is very tight and I thought it would never come out it did. It is slightly bigger than the Unleashed but the tether slot looks beefy enough to keep it connected.

Also of note, battery drain is a consideration so you may not want it connected to the camera 24/7. After two weeks it managed to drain a fully charged EN-EL3e with with less than 50 shots. So I don't plan on keeping it connected all the time, only when I want to add geotagging to photos, which might over time make the connection to the camera a bit looser, happy to have it tethered.



Jun 13, 2011 at 05:10 PM
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sjms wrote:
what is the matter with just getting a real GPS unit designed to do the job that simply writes the data directly to each image as you shoot it corded? they are simply the highest reliabilty solution available and one less battery or battery drain to worry about.


This is the real product you are talking http://e-geotag.com/easytagger-basic-gps.html

Simplely writes the data directly to each image. simple, Small, No switches, no influence to your taking photos. And cost few, only 49 USD.



Aug 26, 2011 at 08:37 PM
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oh, there are are a number of them. this one though is a bit on the weird side. what is the reason for the height addition?


Aug 26, 2011 at 08:43 PM
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sjms wrote:
oh, there are are a number of them. this one though is a bit on the weird side. what is the reason for the height addition?


I thought this is the first one without switch. Any other similiar products? The height? To make it a little higher, no hinder of taking photos when your forehead is close with the camera. And also let the internal flash work freely.



Aug 26, 2011 at 08:52 PM
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interesting. my D700 internal flash is taped down to not use. my head doesn't come in contact with my unit as is. i could see it as a potential snapping point being up there all alone.


Aug 26, 2011 at 09:46 PM
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My problem with all external units is that

a) they stick out and require some care when returning the camera to the backpack or removing it. I am not the most careful person out there and will surely break something like this pretty quickly.

b) they block the only port available for a wired remote, which is more valuable to me than a geotag.

I can remember close enough where I took my photos, I can geotag them manually after the fact. I rarely end up keeping more than 10-15 photos/day (including the spares) so this is not too much of a hassle. Lately I have started using this on my Android

https://market.android.com/details?id=com.crittermap.backcountrynavigator.license&feature=search_result

It has numerous advantages over a camera unit
a) Runs off cell phone batteries, which are considerably more compact and lighter that camera batteries. I bought 2 spares from eBay that I carry in my backpack at all times.
b) This particular software has an on-off button for the GPS. You can turn the GPS on for 10 seconds every 30-60mins and then Geosetter will interpolate your position based on the closest recorded points, which is close enough for me
c) You get FREE topo maps and trails. This has literally saved my bacon at least twice this year. The snow cover here in the NW is crazy, and I have had to hike on snow-covered trails numerous times. A 2-hour hike back to the car in the dark when you cannot see the trail is impossible without a GPS, no matter how good you are with a compass and a map.



Aug 28, 2011 at 01:49 AM
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on the blocking issue the nikon and a few others have a thru port allowing the continued use of the remote though requires a different connector. they can be dirt cheap too.

sticking up they do but after 2 years of use mine has surprised me in its survivability.

don't have a smart phone. don't really want one at this point. i travel out of country and they can be problematic and usability is reduced in lots of places.

i much prefer accuracy over interpolation

yesterday i did a kamikazi ride around the Oly peninsula all the way out to Neah bay and Flattery and down the beaches. started in Bellevue. worked as it was designed to.




Aug 28, 2011 at 11:20 AM
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The current Aokatech Bluetooth device has a lanyard that attaches to the strap for the camera so if it falls out of the 10-pin then it is not lost or if you want to keep the 10-pin and the PC ports covered when not in use that is also easy to do with the Aokatech hung off the camera strap.

The Holex is about the size of 4 CF cards, weighs next to nothing, works in a shirt or pants pocket, has a rechargeable lithium-ion battery that uses the same USB connector as most PDA devices and the charge lasts for days of use. Cost is $40 and no reason to have a phone or other GPS device powered on all the time just to take pictures.

It is incredibly simple to use with the Nikon cameras and there are versions for the D7000 as well but the 10-pin connection is the slickest and it leave the hot shoe free for attaching a flash, unlike the Nikon device.



Aug 30, 2011 at 11:32 PM
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so the whole Aoka bluetooth and Holex only cost $40?


Sep 11, 2011 at 08:21 AM
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Simplest to use is the Aokatech Bluetooth adapter that plugs into the 10-pin port and has a small lanyard to attach it to the camera strap to keep it from getting lost. Add a $45 Holux M-1000 32 channel GPS receiver and you are in business.

Turn on the Holux and wait for the LED light to change and you have reception. Turn on the D700 and look for the GPS symbol in the display. It is that simple.

ViewNX will automatically link to Google Maps to display the images on a map.

With this approach you retain use of the hot shoe for flash. The Holux is very small and works inside a shirt or pants pocket or outer pocket of a camera bag.

Holux uses a rechargeable lithium-ion battery and will go for days between charges and then all you need to do is plug it into a USB port for a couple hours to recharge. Holux provides periodic firmware updates for download and updating their receivers.

The Holux can feed GPS coordinates to any Bluetooth equipped device, even a netbook. As a dedicated GPS receiver it is much faster than an iPhone or a Blackberry and 1/4 the size.

Very solid solution in every respect.



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Just a follow-up to my post at the beginning of the summer: I've used Foolography units on my D700 and D7000 all summer with a Holux M-1200E. Very simple to use and worked very well with no problems (except remembering to turn on the GPS unit). Lots of bumping, in and out of tight bags, and no loosening of the attachments to the cameras. I had planned to use a couple of small dabs of silicone sealant to anchor the Foolography units a bit more, esp. on the D7000, but never got around to it. Might still do that though, just to be extra careful as the units get older. The pass-through port on the D700 unit has worked fine for a remote trigger cable.
David




Sep 14, 2011 at 06:37 AM
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The Aokatech Bluetooth adapter is even more expensive than my ezytagger at USD49. But of course the bluetooth adapter is wireless which looks very nice and cool and professional. Well, I like my things affordable, sturdy and perform well.
Since you are using 2 devices, if your Bluetooth adapter doesnt work, then it would be pretty unhelpful then.



Nov 14, 2011 at 07:20 AM
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bringing this back since this is the only thread for it lol!!have some questions for it and whats everybody's setup:
-does gps tagged pics also works on flickr besides google?
-gonna be renting the nikon GP1 next week when i go to the track but i would prefer having my own setup but by the time i order it i wont get it in time.how many here uses the easytagger basic unit or everybody is mostly on the aokatec adapter?
-if i do go with aokatec rather with easytagger which logger would anybody suggest to pair it up with?something simple and a bit cheap



Apr 13, 2012 at 03:27 PM
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I use the Aokatec AK-4N II with a Holux M-1000C Bluetooth GPS data logger. You can buy them both directly from Aokatec as a combo deal and they can supply a mini jack remote release. The lanyard is a life saver, my AK-4N II fell out once before the tether was attached, luckily I noticed it and found sitting on the ground.

Not sure about Flickr?



Apr 13, 2012 at 03:51 PM
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I too am considering the GP-1. Anyone know if this will this work with the RRS L-Plate when camera is in a vertical position on the tripod.


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