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Well, after some research and looking at folks' suggestions it looks like it's either a bluetooth transmitter + GPS logger like:
http://www.foolography.com/products/unleashed/
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http://www.qstarz.com/Products/GPS Products/BT-Q890-F.htm

Likely with a customized 10-pin to 10-pin cable like this:
http://www.solmeta.com/dede/uploads/100802/1-100P2113515Q8.jpg

To enable the bluetooth module to be mounted to the camera strap in a secure way.

Or
a short-corded, very small unit like this:
http://www.dawntech.hk/di-GPS/pro_l_1.htm
that will also attach to the camera strap and be mostly out of the way. Built in 10 pin female connector so I don't have to have yet another corded remote laying around.

By the time I fool around with the bluetooh + data logger + cable + customization I may have well just spent the $300 total (includes shipping) on the DawnTech GPS.

What do you think?

John



Jun 06, 2011 at 10:27 PM
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JBPhotog wrote:
I use the Holux M-1000C Bluetooth GPS data logger and the Aokatech AK-4NII. The GPS can be stowed in a pocket or pouch and the AK-4NII fits into the 10 pin socket. No need to worry about losing this tiny thing as they supply a short lanyard you can hook to the camera strap via a threaded carabiner.

This combo keeps the hot shoe free, has minimal camera battery drain and no cord to deal with.



Thanks - how easy is it for the Aokatech to come loose from the 10 pin socket during normal use (things usually happen when taking the camera in and out of the bag)?

John



Jun 06, 2011 at 10:28 PM
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It is a very snug fit, you have to work at it to pull it out, no worry of it falling out.


Jun 06, 2011 at 11:07 PM
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JBPhotog wrote:
It is a very snug fit, you have to work at it to pull it out, no worry of it falling out.


Hmmm. . . what I could do it get a 10 pin splitter so that I can use my MC-36 remote with the Aokatech unit still sending GPS data while the camera is on the tripod. That's my only hang-up with using the bluetooth receiver - taking up the 10 pin port.

John



Jun 06, 2011 at 11:19 PM
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jhinkey wrote:
Well, after some research and looking at folks' suggestions it looks like it's either a bluetooth transmitter + GPS logger like:
http://www.foolography.com/products/unleashed/
+
http://www.qstarz.com/Products/GPS Products/BT-Q890-F.htm

Likely with a customized 10-pin to 10-pin cable like this:
http://www.solmeta.com/dede/uploads/100802/1-100P2113515Q8.jpg

To enable the bluetooth module to be mounted to the camera strap in a secure way.

Or
a short-corded, very small unit like this:
http://www.dawntech.hk/di-GPS/pro_l_1.htm
that will also attach to the camera strap and be mostly out of the way. Built in 10 pin female connector so I don't have to have yet another corded remote laying around.

By the time I fool around with the bluetooh + data logger + cable + customization
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i had one of those solmeta cables. regretfully more trouble then they are worth. it went back the next day. some of my plugs would not align at all making it a nightmare. spacing between the 2 plugs needs to be more and manufacturing QC is needed. hope you have better luck.

Edited on Jun 07, 2011 at 05:30 AM · View previous versions



Jun 07, 2011 at 05:25 AM
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Ivo Heshusius wrote:
I use this one: Dealextreme which is dirtcheap and works like a charm!


In the rare occassion the short cable (± 3 inches) is a problem -when using a flash- I use a small rubber or a tie-rap to attach the receiver to the camera strap. Problem solved for only $ 75



Jun 07, 2011 at 05:27 AM
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I've been using the Foolography Unleashed with my D700 without problems. The receiver fits very securely into the 10-pin socket - I can't imagine it falling off and it is quite protected from bumps in that location. The receiver has a pass-through port for a shutter release. I just got the Foolography version for the D7000. It mounts on the side and getting bumped may be more of an issue, although the receiver is fairly thin.


Jun 07, 2011 at 06:48 AM
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jhinkey wrote:
Well, after some research and looking at folks' suggestions it looks like it's either a bluetooth transmitter + GPS logger like:
http://www.foolography.com/products/unleashed/
+
http://www.qstarz.com/Products/GPS Products/BT-Q890-F.htm

Likely with a customized 10-pin to 10-pin cable like this:
http://www.solmeta.com/dede/uploads/100802/1-100P2113515Q8.jpg

To enable the bluetooth module to be mounted to the camera strap in a secure way.
...

What do you think?

John


Hi John,

I, the developer of the Unleashed, think this:
don't worry about the missing thread on the plug, and don't bother with the solmeta cable.
I designed the Unleashed to fit extremely tightly into the plug. It requires a lot of force to remove it even when you want to. Some customers are asking me to add some ridges to the surface of the device, as they are having trouble getting it off at times.
Due to it's rounded off design, and extremely small size, there's almost no chance that enough force can be applied "by accident" to dislodge the Unleashed from its socket.

If I would have added a thread, I would have had to make the device stand off the camera at least 8mm, meaning it would be very prone to breaking off, for example if the camera bounced against your body, while dangling from the strap around your neck.
The tight fit is a much better idea.

If you have any further questions, don't hesitate to ask.

Oliver



Jun 07, 2011 at 08:29 AM
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foolography wrote:
Hi John,

I, the developer of the Unleashed, think this:
don't worry about the missing thread on the plug, and don't bother with the solmeta cable.
I designed the Unleashed to fit extremely tightly into the plug. It requires a lot of force to remove it even when you want to. Some customers are asking me to add some ridges to the surface of the device, as they are having trouble getting it off at times.
Due to it's rounded off design, and extremely small size, there's almost no chance that enough force can be applied "by accident" to dislodge the
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Oliver -

My only qualm with this is having to take it off for tripod work and then put it back on again. Does taking it off and on once a month or so ruin the fit? I.e., does it fit less snugly each time you take it off?

Also, I don't want to invest in and have to carry around yet another remote release - hence my idea to use the splitter to mount the foolography bluetooth receiver to (permanently) and use the 2nd 10 pin to attach my remote to when needed. I may even cut and shorten the splitter cable if needed.

I've even looked at using the MC-21 extension cable from Nikon (shortened accordingly) to put your bluetooth device up on the strap - though it may not have the wires to transfer the data along (it may just be wired for remote actuation - I can't tell)

I would think it would be a great idea to have a version of your bluetooth receiver that securely mounted on the camera strap (it's so small this would not be a problem) and have a wire that goes to the body that plugs into the 10 pin port and still allows in some way the attachment of the MC-36 remote 10 pin connector - either at the bluetooth receiver (like the Nikon MC-35 GPS cable) or at the point where it connects to the body (another female 10 pin connector on the back of the male 10 pin connector that only is useful for the remote release (no data).

John



Jun 07, 2011 at 03:35 PM
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you're over thinking this and making it more complex then it needs to be


Jun 07, 2011 at 04:24 PM
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jhinkey wrote:
Oliver -

My only qualm with this is having to take it off for tripod work and then put it back on again. Does taking it off and on once a month or so ruin the fit? I.e., does it fit less snugly each time you take it off?

Also, I don't want to invest in and have to carry around yet another remote release - hence my idea to use the splitter to mount the foolography bluetooth receiver to (permanently) and use the 2nd 10 pin to attach my remote to when needed. I may even cut and shorten the splitter
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Well, actually you don't ever need to take it off. The Unleashed has a 2.5mm jack socket built in, which is compatible with Canon Remote releases (or of course any third party remote release designed for Canons Digital Rebel series DSLRs).
These happen to be the cheapest Remote releases on the market, and cost only a fraction of what the splitter cable or the MC-21 would cost you.

But even if you take it off frequently, it will stay tight. The D300 we use to test all the devices on, and my personal Unleashed which I use with this camera, still fit very tightly, having plugged and unplugged Unleasheds several thousand times. You do not need to worry about unplugging it once a month.


jhinkey wrote:
I've even looked at using the MC-21 extension cable from Nikon (shortened accordingly) to put your bluetooth device up on the strap - though it may not have the wires to transfer the data along (it may just be wired for remote actuation - I can't tell)

The MC-21 is fully wired - I used it during development. But I must say that your idea would annull many of the great advantages of our tiny Unleashed. The main one being that it's completely wireless - and you want to add a wire, permanently...

jhinkey wrote:
I would think it would be a great idea to have a version of your bluetooth receiver that securely mounted on the camera strap (it's so small this would not be a problem) and have a wire that goes to the body that plugs into the 10 pin port and still allows in some way the attachment of the MC-36 remote 10 pin connector - either at the bluetooth receiver (like the Nikon MC-35 GPS cable) or at the point where it connects to the body (another female 10 pin connector on the back of the male 10 pin connector
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Well, like I said, I see too many advantages in our device being so small and wireless, so I'm not too fond of that Idea, but I think that your main reason for the idea is something we also thought about: still being able to remotely release the camera, even when the Unleashed is plugged in. The 10-pin socket is not easy to get a hold of, and it's so big, we would have had to make the device twice as big, just to fit it in. So we went for the next best solution, and used the most common plug for remote releases: a 2.5mm jack socket, as found in many Canon compatible remotes.
you will not lose any functionality over the MC-35. If you're up for a little bit of DIY, you can even cut the cord of the MC-35, and purchase a 2.5mm stero jack, and solder it onto the cord, to make it compatible with the Unleashed. I can give you exact directions for this if you want.

On the Unleashed D90 and Dx000 (for the D90 or D3100/D5000/D5100/D7000), we added a socket compatible with the original Nikon MC-DC2 remote release... This was much easier to realize than the round 10-pin port.

Oliver



Jun 07, 2011 at 04:36 PM
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sjms wrote:
you're over thinking this and making it more complex then it needs to be


Well, I'd like to make the purchase that's going to work for me the first time and not to have to do it over again to get it right. My over-thinking has done me very very well in life thus far so I see no need to change now . . .



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foolography wrote:
Well, actually you don't ever need to take it off. The Unleashed has a 2.5mm jack socket built in, which is compatible with Canon Remote releases (or of course any third party remote release designed for Canons Digital Rebel series DSLRs).
These happen to be the cheapest Remote releases on the market, and cost only a fraction of what the splitter cable or the MC-21 would cost you.

But even if you take it off frequently, it will stay tight. The D300 we use to test all the devices on, and my personal Unleashed which I use with this camera, still fit
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Thanks for you detailed reply Oliver. If there is no degradation with removing and replacing the unit when I want to use the remote that I already own, then I may just get the splitter and use that for the times when I need to use both the GPS and the remote.
Do you guys have a leash that connect the bluetooth module to the camera just in case it gets knocked off?

Thanks - John



Jun 07, 2011 at 05:14 PM
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Pentax users got a cool new toy

http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/2011/06/pentax-announces-gps-unit-for-dslrs.html



Jun 07, 2011 at 06:10 PM
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I would bet that the new D4, D400, and D800 would all have bluetooth built in, thus solving my problem for the mere cost of the upgrade from the D300/D700 to the new DSLRs . . . .


Jun 07, 2011 at 06:20 PM
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Jammy Straub wrote:
Pentax users got a cool new toy

http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/2011/06/pentax-announces-gps-unit-for-dslrs.html



Same 'ol same 'ol.

1. Takes up hot shoe
2. Bulky, for sure this thing is gonna get busted during extreme use
3. Pricy, many smaller cheaper units available

The only cool feature, only associated with Pentax bodies, is the astro function.



Jun 07, 2011 at 06:21 PM
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jhinkey wrote:
I would bet that the new D4, D400, and D800 would all have bluetooth built in, thus solving my problem for the mere cost of the upgrade from the D300/D700 to the new DSLRs . . . .


i kinda doubt it. it takes energy (aka battery power) to do things and thats not a priority when a good hard line works just fine. that energy is primarily to take images/video these days. bu then i've been wrong before.



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sjms wrote:
i kinda doubt it. it takes energy (aka battery power) to do things and thats not a priority when a good hard line works just fine. that energy is primarily to take images/video these days. bu then i've been wrong before.


These BlueTooth modules apparently take very little power - so I have to believe that an updated camera with those big batteries would have no problem powering them if done smartly.

John



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we'll see.

as to BT and power consumption. well i'll tell you it's more then you think.

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BT power consumption can be quite high, but it can also be managed very well, and be reduced to a minimal amount. And, of course you could always add the option to turn it off completely.

Our Unleashed uses around 10mA during normal operation, and down to 0.07mA in Standby. The peak usage is about 35mA, during the few seconds when the BT connection is being established.
Intelligent power management makes sure that it only uses power when necessary, and goes into low power modes whenever the camera is not being used, while making sure that there are no compromises in terms of ease of use.

If the manufacturers were smart, they'd integrate something like my module into the camera, but instead they're trying to add the entire GPS, and are obviously running into big problems with that.
I started with my Bluetooth module back in 2006, and thought that the manufacturers would integrate them within 2-3, max 4 years. But even now, there's no sign of anyone trying.

So don't hold your breath expecting it to be in the D400/D800/D4...

Oliver




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