Manual Focus Nikon Glass
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saph
Registered: Jun 10, 2012
Total Posts: 2312
Country: United States

Slow morning in Manual Nikkor land, I am the only one hogging the thread and gabbing away

A couple more at the Walters Art Museum. All on Kodak Ultramax with the 8.5 cm f2 PC + S2 rangefinder.

Ancient statues in bronze and blue
Statues by maryland_photos, on Flickr

A colorful and delicate jar
Jar by maryland_photos, on Flickr

And another goddess in a meditative pose.
Goddess2 by maryland_photos, on Flickr



Ken Hill
Registered: Jul 28, 2013
Total Posts: 505
Country: United States

My friend Tony visited me earlier today and he is quite the machinist and fixer of all things unusual. I enjoyed your description Curtis. When it comes to these old lenses, Corvettes, antique and collectible firearms, I consider myself the custodian an important role to ensure that they live on and have a future with some other person who appreciates what they are.

I will have some pictures tomorrow, but I am totally thrilled the lens is not a loss. The focus ring is stiff but I actually seem to enjoy the stiffness, Time will tell but overall I'm just happy.

Tony chased the threads and I am also able to start using. a 52 mm filter on it which once again will afford a protection should I decide to crash to the ground with it.

Samy I like your recent pictures, Curtis I like the Goldengate signs, Rafael make the best you can with the wildfires in your area, Ray another new lens and you didn't tell me WoW. Reagan I need somebody to charm some of these nurses. Peter, Philippe, Steve, Scott, Jay enjoyed looking at your posts. Ram how is your move going is everything settled is the woman happy with the new environment. Kevin how are you doing? Also omitted Andy, David. Georg, and I guess we got a new George. Hitting the like button, seeing the pictures is my sole inspiration at this particular time of my life. I'm writing this from memory can't forget the ladies Mihai, Laura thank you for your kind words and the likes. Breakfast in a little while the highlight of my day Yuk!

I also made a few buddies while I was here I'll post those pictures tomorrow. I escaped through one of the side doors with the wheelchair and quickly almost ran off another curb. I'm going to need a leash but my camera will be with me with the 50 512 will be on it. Or maybe the 105.

I took the rehab testing it seems that I am stronger now then I have to be. As a matter-of-fact I scored 250% of the test maximum so I have the arm strength to do what I need to do




CGrindahl wrote:
Ken, as moved as I was by your tragedy, I have to admit feeling a pang of remorse at the possibility a 55 f/1.2 S.C. had bitten the dust. I guess the lens is no more precious than you or me, but we expect to leave the mortal coil and there is absolutely NO reason that these much loved lenses need to go. Granted, as the Buddhists say, we should meditate on the vase already broken, or in this case, the lens already broken but... in the same way they'll never replicate my 1965 Stingray coupe, they will never make more of these beautiful lenses.

I'd mention to you what we learned when sending Nikki around the world and it took a tumble. APC in Chicago was able to replace the front of that forty year old lens. I would never assume that your 55 f/1.2 S.C. is ready for the scrap heap. You're a resourceful man and I've no doubt you'll find your way through both the physical challenges and the practical challenge of getting that lens back into working order...

Glad you're able to visit... if you see any pretty nurses take a photo for Reagan...

Be well.



saph
Registered: Jun 10, 2012
Total Posts: 2312
Country: United States

Ken, good morning, thanks, and do keep yourself on steady ground!

With little activity on the thread other than Ken this morning, I feel I should keep the train moving.

Here's some history of the Nippon Kogaku 8.5cm f2 rangefinder lens. Mine seems to be in the fourth batch, after the "Made in Occupied Japan" batches. It does say Nippon Kogaku Tokyo on the filter ring, so I wonder if Tokyo was the only place the lenses were being manufactured. The lens is quite small, but very dense, must be quite a bit of brass and glass in there. An early flaw it has is that the aperture ring is small and right in front of the larger focus ring. So while focusing I end up moving the aperture inadvertently (there are no click stops in this lens). Just something extra to get used to.

Among the S-mount teles, the 8.5cm is the one I seem to have gotten most comfortable with on the S2. I still struggle with the 13.5 3.5 QC, and may not have used the 10.5cm enough yet.

A good amount of history on the Mir site.
http://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography/companies/nikon/nikkoresources/RF-Nikkor/RF85mm/

This lens was what got Nikon on the map. In 1950, David Douglas of Life magazine happened to borrow the lens from a Japanese photographer, liked what he saw through the lens and ended up invited to the Nippon Kogaku factory where he got even more of a demo of Nikon performance. He ended up taking Nikkors to the Korean war front, and that's where the popularity of the lenses really took off.
http://imaging.nikon.com/history/nikkor/36/



saph
Registered: Jun 10, 2012
Total Posts: 2312
Country: United States

And to add two more from this combo of the 8.5cm f2 PC + S2 + Ultramax, these were converted to B&W in PSE.

The three women shot I think I have done several months ago with the 55 1.2S, if I can remember that much from then

3Women by maryland_photos, on Flickr

Contemplating.

InterestingJar by maryland_photos, on Flickr



Zichar
Registered: May 13, 2009
Total Posts: 3521
Country: Singapore

Great that you're staying positive Ken. Tubes will help make everything close at hand 'photographable', even breakfast! I once had a reverse lens phase, having nothing but attached to the camera.



Lieutenant Z
Registered: Nov 21, 2010
Total Posts: 2981
Country: France

saph wrote:

Philippe, the more I read about Camile the more impressed I am at such a young age she took on such a dangerous assignment. Very sad and indeed CAR seems to be in very bad shape from what I am reading. Very unfortunate for the two soldiers too who were trying to keep the peace in such a dangerous environment.




Thanks Samy. A soldier accepts to be killed in operation as a normal professional hazard,; I remember General de Négrier's famous words : "you became soldiers in order to die and I am taking you to place where you can die" -) But for a young reporter, it's not right indeed.

Camille was a brave woman, for sure. She was a very talented photographer too : have a look at her work here : http://camille-lepage.photoshelter.com/archive



craigjohn
Registered: Dec 30, 2013
Total Posts: 143
Country: United States

Jason, you're going through the beginning phase of what I went through a few months ago, as I just started this little journey into Nikon's Legacy Glass.

You'll find every lens has it's own unique character, and all seemingly for the good. I opted to go away from the big beastie lenses (85/1.4, 105/1.8, 135/2, 180/2.8) as I want small lenses for travel. The 85/2, 105/2.5, 135/2.8, and the 200/4 are perfect "my" needs, and they're excellent bricks of glass.

Best of all, as Curtis eluded to, the lenses can be had on the cheap. ...and I agree with his assessment - it feels criminal.

Three of the four lenses above can had for around $100 each. The 85/2, a good copy, around $250-275. The best thing about that 85/2 is it's tiny size. So to that, I disagree that these aren't walk around lenses - they're absolutely perfect as walk around lenses. At least the smaller lenses.

Speaking of small, I bought, er, won a few 50/2 pre-AI lenses on ebay and sent them out for conversion. I won't get them until the last week of May, as John White is a bit busy and traveling. But the 50/2 is the perfect example of small and discreet, ideal for "walking around".



NightOwl Cat
Registered: Feb 19, 2007
Total Posts: 7708
Country: United States

Glad to see Ken posting an update to his health, good to see that you're also definitely strong enough to start your rehab. Avoid going over another cliff/step in the wheelchair though. Best let someone "drive" you first so you get the lay of the land, then go exploring.

Video shooting has also started this weekend, and Mother Nature is being very finicky...

Don't have any MF photos from it, but I was in my first dance concert last night, and the only shot I have of it is from someone's phone. I'm on the left side as you look at the photo, in the back. This was taken at dress rehearsal. I've got a few MF shots from there, weeding my way through many photos right now.

Avoiding the studying I should be doing though, for a very important test this afternoon, then back to the theater for the closing show tonight.



Jason_Brook
Registered: Sep 28, 2012
Total Posts: 984
Country: United States

Is there a website where I can see the differences between all the iterations of the lenses? Where are the places to find these lenses other than the obvious fleabay, keh, etc.

I see pre-AI lenses going dirt cheap, but how different are they from their AI counterparts? Remember, with my DF, no conversion necessary



NightOwl Cat
Registered: Feb 19, 2007
Total Posts: 7708
Country: United States

http://www.photosynthesis.co.nz/nikon/serialno.html

You can be lost on this site for days.. http://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography/companies/nikon/nikkoresources/index.htm venture at your own risk..

Jason_Brook wrote:
Is there a website where I can see the differences between all the iterations of the lenses? Where are the places to find these lenses other than the obvious fleabay, keh, etc.

I see pre-AI lenses going dirt cheap, but how different are they from their AI counterparts? Remember, with my DF, no conversion necessary



Jason_Brook
Registered: Sep 28, 2012
Total Posts: 984
Country: United States

Oh god, way too much reading. I'll just ask; what version of the 105/2.5 should I get?



saph
Registered: Jun 10, 2012
Total Posts: 2312
Country: United States

Uh oh Jason you had to ask

http://www.photosynthesis.co.nz/nikon/serialno.html#105

All the ones in F-mount. You can't go wrong with any one of the variants.

Jason_Brook wrote:
Oh god, way too much reading. I'll just ask; what version of the 105/2.5 should I get?



Big Appa
Registered: Sep 23, 2005
Total Posts: 1071
Country: United States

There is an AIs lens you will need, the 28/2.8 CRS.
My wife asked me what I was doing this morning, I replied "looking at porn" She
was upset until I explained to her it was "DF" camera porn, and my other favorite,
"C5" porn. Corvette C5, that is, the most beautiful (I'm sure I'll get feedback on that!) of all Corvettes. A Le Mans blue 2004 coupe would be just fine. And on the front passenger seat a nice new DF!

Ah sweet life. Dreams are pleasant, aren't they....

Ed



saph
Registered: Jun 10, 2012
Total Posts: 2312
Country: United States

Quite a list of dreams Ed. Cheers!

Here's a couple from this morning at Centennial Park with the 400 5.6 ED AIS. Jay (Baltimore), don't try to go there tomorrow - there were signs for a bike race and the place will be a zoo. Unless you want to take pics of the bike race

The first one was not too bad, just stood across the lake and focused and shot. The second one was moments later and tested both the 400's manual focus ring and my limited BIF capabilities, as the egret's mate flew in from the other way and they both took off.

EgretFlying by maryland_photos, on Flickr

EgretPair by maryland_photos, on Flickr



saph
Registered: Jun 10, 2012
Total Posts: 2312
Country: United States

Philippe, I have seen that web page, and other photo sets taken by Camille that various news sites have posted. She seems to have been quite talented and dedicated, as well as having the ability to make people feel comfortable enough to allow her to take all those images. When we read or watch the news from conflict zones and see photos and videos, its good to remember that someone brave is right there in the midst of danger so we can get glimpses of what's going on.

Lieutenant Z wrote:
saph wrote:

Philippe, the more I read about Camile the more impressed I am at such a young age she took on such a dangerous assignment. Very sad and indeed CAR seems to be in very bad shape from what I am reading. Very unfortunate for the two soldiers too who were trying to keep the peace in such a dangerous environment.




Thanks Samy. A soldier accepts to be killed in operation as a normal professional hazard,; I remember General de Négrier's famous words : "you became soldiers in order to die and I am taking you to place where you can die" -) But for a young reporter, it's not right indeed.

Camille was a brave woman, for sure. She was a very talented photographer too : have a look at her work here : http://camille-lepage.photoshelter.com/archive



StonePhotog
Registered: Apr 23, 2013
Total Posts: 117
Country: United States

saph wrote:
Jay (Baltimore), don't try to go there tomorrow - there were signs for a bike race and the place will be a zoo. Unless you want to take pics of the bike race


Thanks for the tip! I prefer to go to the local parks during the week in an attempt to miss the rush. Given that I'm coming up on a pretty big change in my schedule in the next 30 days - more working from home, less going in to the office - I may actually get out and shoot subjects other than the flowers around my neighborhood.

Speaking of which, here are a couple of shots with the 55 1.2 from my trip to Oregon earlier this year. No processing was done, other than converting from NEF to JPG. I'm curious, do other people see this sort of haze when they shoot the 55 1.2 wide open? Or is this just my copy of the lens?





kwoodard
Registered: Aug 04, 2012
Total Posts: 2882
Country: United States

Jay, mine does it too. Depends on the light. Sometimes I have to give the shot a global contrast bump. Other times it seems to overexpose, even though looking at the histogram, it hasn't. But it makes awesome black and whites wide open, so I will keep it around for a while.



saph
Registered: Jun 10, 2012
Total Posts: 2312
Country: United States

Jay, that reminds of my all too brief trip to Portland OR last year. Very scenic place. Yes, the 55 will be hazy/less contrast at 1.2. If you don't want that effect, by f/2 it will be a lot contrastier, and still provide the pleasing background. You should get a lot more pics now that you have a better schedule.

Here's one more of the first egret. Tried Auto WB instead of Shady.

EgretPortrait by maryland_photos, on Flickr



DontShoot
Registered: Jun 15, 2009
Total Posts: 2158
Country: United States

Jason_Brook wrote:
Oh god, way too much reading. I'll just ask; what version of the 105/2.5 should I get?


All of them are excellent, but the Ai and AIS versions are most commonly used. The difference is that the AIS has a built-in pullout hood and has a shorter focus throw. The Ai version has no built in hood and has a slightly longer focus throw. IQ is the same.



CGrindahl
Registered: Dec 17, 2004
Total Posts: 13095
Country: United States

Jason, one of the reasons these MF lenses are so fascinating is their great variety and the opportunity that fact gives us to do a bit of research. It is a bit like appreciating old English sports cars of the sort Peter posted recently rather than the dragsters your family builds and you photograph. Those machines offer brute force, but a Jaguar XKE or an Austin Healy 3000 will offer elegance and style. You can buy the latest and greatest lens from Nikon and all you have to know is whether you have enough money in your bank account to pay for it. You don't worry about aperture rings because Nikon removed them. All you need to do is believe they are worth the money that is being asked by your favorite camera retailer.

I appreciate that you're 26 years old and probably in a bit of a hurry. But you have been willing to slow down enough to turn the focusing ring and discovered it can be a pleasure. Now you will have the pleasure of learning about these great lenses and how they came into being. Yes, with the Df the concern about conversion of pre-AI lenses is removed, so some of the bewilderment simply disappears. As Laura implies with her comments, both of the websites she offers have abundant information. They do not, however, offer evaluations of lenses. I'll give you a link to another website that is much used by folks pursuing these lenses. Bjorn Rorslett is very knowledgeable. His reviews can be a good place to begin kit building, though my experience tells me there are quite a few lenses he gives lower grades to that perform wonderfully. So begin with Bjorn, but don't lock yourself into a straight jacket because of his opinions.

Bjorn Rorslett's Website

The best place to learn about these lenses is right here where you get to see what the lenses are capable of giving. Folks on this thread are very knowledgeable AND very willing to share their experience. We also share our lenses in a variety of ways, including selling them to one another.

With regard to the 105 f/2.5 the lens I'd suggest is the original P version that has a different optical design than later versions. As Laura said, they are all great performers, but the P would look killer on your Df. It is the lens on the right in this photo. These are all 105mm lenses. Happy shopping.



I bought the 105 f/2.5 P unconverted for $105 is EX+ condition. Then I swapped the aperture ring from the first copy of the lens I purchased. That lens was not quite so clean and I knew I would keep this lens and wanted a nicer copy. It would be nice if I hadn't needed to convert the lens but I did, so I have a bit more invested in this focal length than you will need to do. If you've got $200 to spend you can buy a mint copy of the lens from Japan listed at the moment on E-Bay...

Nikon 105 f/2.5 P pre-AI For Sale on E-Bay for $169



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