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georgms
Registered: Jan 08, 2009
Total Posts: 3277
Country: Germany

MarkdV wrote:
Hi All,
Snooping around for a reasonable quality 24 or 20mm lens. couple of options of a certain auction website, what's the going rate for a 24mm f2.8 Ai and is there a big difference between that and the Ai-s version?
Also seen a not too expensive 24mm F2.0 but Bjorn Rorslett doesn't seem too keen on this one, what's peoples thoughts?

Thanks!


Mark, I just came home from a short walk with the 24/2Ai (mounted via FT-1 on the Nikon 1 V1).
Nancy ("waysaz") and Jose did some amazing work with their copies (the Ais-variant, if I'm not mistaken).
It's a unique lens with a very, very lively bokeh (I love it ;-).
The 24/2.8 is less temperamental in the bokeh-department and probably the better choice.
I've never tried the 20/2.8Ais, but have it's AF-sister and that's a good, but not very good performer.
Main difference between Ai- and Ais-lenses is the much longer focus-throw at the older Ai-lenses. But I'm sure there are other differences too (coatings and so on).



MDoc9523
Registered: Aug 13, 2006
Total Posts: 4888
Country: United States

kings_freak wrote:
I finally got a few minutes to play around with my new, to me, 24mm 2.8 NC.

Tony


Flare Test by T&J Photography, on Flickr



Very Nice shot Tony. 24mm 2.8 is one of my favorites



CGrindahl
Registered: Dec 17, 2004
Total Posts: 12751
Country: United States

MDoc9523 wrote:
leighton w wrote:
CGrindahl wrote:
Whoa! You're killing us with these shots Ray. I do believe the humble 100-300 f/5.6 AI-s is up to the task at 24 megapixels. This is a fine lens now that we're getting more light. I'll have to pull mine out and play a bit, though I don't have these exotic butterflies to capture. Beautiful images Ray. Excellent work on every level.

MDoc9523 wrote:
Thank you Kevin and Curtis. I thought that the 100-300 5.6 held up pretty well. Certainly not quite as good as the prime lens but it's versatility in focal lengths along with the excellent quality is definitely a bonus for this lens. I was able to buy her for around $100.oo
As an edit: perhaps this lens could be the next around the world lens? Whatcha think?


I agree with you Ray, not quite up to the primes. But I do like your images.


It's funny but when I shot Canon, I had mostly zooms and that seemed to be the trend. I see that a lot with Nikon users now also. I suppose they have their convenience, but I am just enthralled by the prime lenses. My zooms just seemed to sit and I bet I haven't shot with the 100-300 for 6-8months


When you pick up primes like the 85 f/1.4 AI-s and 35 f/1.4 AI-s as you recently did, you're bound to become a fan of prime lenses. The recent portrait of a young boy you posted brought an immediate smile to my face. I knew you'd been playing with the 85 again. Although I appreciate the capability of the zoom lenses in my kit, they seldom are mounted on my camera. Primes are simply too delicious to leave at home.

I shot this yesterday with Nikki's older sister, the 85 f/1.8 H AI'd. Needless to say, I'm really enjoying the pre-AI lenses that have been added over the past year.


Shot at f/2... rather nice isolation. This has a real 3-D pop to it.



CGrindahl
Registered: Dec 17, 2004
Total Posts: 12751
Country: United States

Here are a couple of photos from the end of my day in San Francisco, the first taken from the ferry, the second as I walked back to my car showing the ferry terminal. Both shot with the 55 f/1.2 S.C. AI'd and then converted in Silver Efex Pro 2.




jhinkey
Registered: Jan 08, 2010
Total Posts: 5650
Country: United States

Zichar wrote:
John, I don't recall, have you ever posted specs of your computer?
I gotta get an upgrade, I can't stitch tiffs only jpegs and 10 is just about the limit before MICE crashes. PS crashes at 8 images, depending on how detailed the shots are


Well, it's something like this:

Windows 7 64 bit
32GB RAM
500GB Boot Drive
RAID 1 Data Drive (2x1TB) (it's just about full! 2x2TB WD RE4 drives are on the way)
Intel Core i7 2600K 3.4GHz Quad Core 8MB 95W
Asus P8P67-M Pro REV 3.0

I use PTGui Pro or CS6 for stitching - usually one of them will do it. I have a lot of problems when either the images are dark or there is not a lot of high contrast detail. PTGui will always eventually stitch them together, but it's more work so I always try CS6 first. I tried out a lot of panorama stitching software before settling on PTGui.

- John



georgms
Registered: Jan 08, 2009
Total Posts: 3277
Country: Germany

CGrindahl wrote:
Here are a couple of photos from the end of my day in San Francisco, the first taken from the ferry, the second as I walked back to my car showing the ferry terminal. Both shot with the 55 f/1.2 S.C. AI'd and then converted in Silver Efex Pro 2.





Curtis, I like especially this shot - the framing with the diagonal rolling wave is great. And I really like your B&W-conversion.



CGrindahl
Registered: Dec 17, 2004
Total Posts: 12751
Country: United States

Thanks Georg. I'm doing a bit more experimenting in SEP with my own treatment. As with any tool used in post processing, there is a learning curve. I think this set of Nik tools will prove very useful. I'm certainly enjoying the process. Here are a couple more photos taken in Muir Woods.


Here you get a sense of the scale of the place. These are big trees...



All shot with the 24 f/2.8 N.C. AI'd.



asiostygius
Registered: Nov 29, 2011
Total Posts: 2537
Country: Brazil

mp356 wrote:
kwoodard wrote:
MDoc9523 wrote:
Wanted to see how the 100-300 5.6 AIS would hold up to the demands of the D600




Looks mighty fine to me!


+1 Ray! It does not matter what lens is in your hands, you always produce beautiful images.


+100
Excellent butterfly set!



georgms
Registered: Jan 08, 2009
Total Posts: 3277
Country: Germany

Some pictures from a short walk with a 24/2Ai mounted onto the V1 via FT-1:


the 24/2Ai is a warrant for some lively bokeh - 24/2Ai at about MFD, wide-open, Nikon V1


I'm not 100% happy with the B&W-conversion here, maybe I'll re-do this one


birchbark - I could stare for hours at it



asiostygius
Registered: Nov 29, 2011
Total Posts: 2537
Country: Brazil

Ronny _Olsson wrote:

Nikkor 135mm f/2 Ai-s Vivitar Nikon AT-3/AI Extension Tube 36mm by Ronny Olsson, on Flickr


Very nice image, including the bokeh.



MarkdV
Registered: Jul 05, 2012
Total Posts: 666
Country: Poland

georgms wrote:
MarkdV wrote:
Hi All,
Snooping around for a reasonable quality 24 or 20mm lens. couple of options of a certain auction website, what's the going rate for a 24mm f2.8 Ai and is there a big difference between that and the Ai-s version?
Also seen a not too expensive 24mm F2.0 but Bjorn Rorslett doesn't seem too keen on this one, what's peoples thoughts?

Thanks!


Mark, I just came home from a short walk with the 24/2Ai (mounted via FT-1 on the Nikon 1 V1).
Nancy ("waysaz") and Jose did some amazing work with their copies (the Ais-variant, if I'm not mistaken).
It's a unique lens with a very, very lively bokeh (I love it ;-).
The 24/2.8 is less temperamental in the bokeh-department and probably the better choice.
I've never tried the 20/2.8Ais, but have it's AF-sister and that's a good, but not very good performer.
Main difference between Ai- and Ais-lenses is the much longer focus-throw at the older Ai-lenses. But I'm sure there are other differences too (coatings and so on).


Thanks Georg, also for the advise on the rugby pics, I have made the cropping you suggested and it looks much more impactful.

I think I will see if I can find a copy of the 24mm F/2, I have the AF 14-24mm f/2.8 so I think I can go for a "crazy" lens here. Of course if a bargain appears I can always change my mind.



georgms
Registered: Jan 08, 2009
Total Posts: 3277
Country: Germany

MarkdV wrote:
georgms wrote:
MarkdV wrote:
Hi All,
Snooping around for a reasonable quality 24 or 20mm lens. couple of options of a certain auction website, what's the going rate for a 24mm f2.8 Ai and is there a big difference between that and the Ai-s version?
Also seen a not too expensive 24mm F2.0 but Bjorn Rorslett doesn't seem too keen on this one, what's peoples thoughts?

Thanks!


Mark, I just came home from a short walk with the 24/2Ai (mounted via FT-1 on the Nikon 1 V1).
Nancy ("waysaz") and Jose did some amazing work with their copies (the Ais-variant, if I'm not mistaken).
It's a unique lens with a very, very lively bokeh (I love it ;-).
The 24/2.8 is less temperamental in the bokeh-department and probably the better choice.
I've never tried the 20/2.8Ais, but have it's AF-sister and that's a good, but not very good performer.
Main difference between Ai- and Ais-lenses is the much longer focus-throw at the older Ai-lenses. But I'm sure there are other differences too (coatings and so on).


Thanks Georg, also for the advise on the rugby pics, I have made the cropping you suggested and it looks much more impactful.

I think I will see if I can find a copy of the 24mm F/2, I have the AF 14-24mm f/2.8 so I think I can go for a "crazy" lens here. Of course if a bargain appears I can always change my mind.


Well, Mark, I would call the 14-24/2.8 a crazy lens too
In my opinion there's no match for this monster in the MF-Nikkor line-up. But I don't wanna carry the 14-24 all day and that's why the compact and lightweight MF-Nikkors have their place in my heart and camera-bag too ;-)



asiostygius
Registered: Nov 29, 2011
Total Posts: 2537
Country: Brazil

Thanks, John, Leighton, Ronny, Jeff and Georg for the comments.

Rafael, very rich colours with your 15/5.6;

Mark, I liked your rugby set with the 180/2.8;

John, as usual terrific sunset pano with the 400/5.6, but wow - 18 shots!!

Georg, impressive work with the "maligned" 24/2 + V1.



MarkdV
Registered: Jul 05, 2012
Total Posts: 666
Country: Poland

Tony, love your flower shot with the 24mm, lovely light and a great feel to the image.

Ray, wonderful butterfly shots with the 100-300mm. How do you get the darn things to sit still long enough to get a photo?

Georg - See what you mean about that bokeh with the F/2 - you really make it work well. and the birch bark is mesmerizing.

Curtis - love your shots from San Fran and have been admiring all your work with Nikki.

Jeff - great B&W conversions, enjoy twin points but keep getting drawn into Slow flowers, fast train. reminds me a bit of a Tom Wood photo I saw recently, except he was in the train shooting out.

Peter - loved Ghost rock.

John - you are the king of Panoramas. Lovely one of Olympic mt.



asiostygius
Registered: Nov 29, 2011
Total Posts: 2537
Country: Brazil

Foggy14 wrote:
Peter, I really like the look of "Ghost Rock."

John, that's a beautiful panorama!

Here are a couple conversions that veer toward the impressionistic end of the scale.









Nice!!!


asiostygius
Registered: Nov 29, 2011
Total Posts: 2537
Country: Brazil

Mark, Georg - the 24/2 master - have already posted good advice to you.

My relatively short experience with the 24/2 ais revealed that for landscapes I need at least f/8 for border to border good sharpness.

one sample:


HDR sunset with the Nikkor 24mm f/2 AI-S by labecoaves, on Flickr

HDR sunset with the Nikkor 24mm f/2 AI-S
D3 + 24mm f/2 Ai-S supported over the windowsill, remote cable, ISO 200 at f/8, base exposure 1/2s, plus -1EV and +1EV; slight 5% crop.
The reddish cast was what my eyes saw at the moment, no overdone HDR.


I have no 24/2.8 yet, though I am at a bidding race for an old non ai 24/2.8 N.C (Curtis guilt!!!) at the moment , but I suppose this and the ai/ais versions are better lenses for landscapes, as Curtis and now Tony have showed previously.
On the other hand, if you are planning a lot of bokeh playing and some artistic shots the 24/2 lens supposedly is better than the 24/2.8.

sample:


Bokeh test with Nikkor 24mm f2 AI-S + 12mm tube by labecoaves, on Flickr

Bokeh test with Nikkor 24mm f2 AI-S + 12mm tube
Playing around with the dreamy bokeh of the often maligned Nikkor 24mm f/2 AIS at macro distances.
D3 + Vivitar 12mm tube, ISO 400, f/2.8 at 1/400s handheld, ~30% cropped.



MDoc9523
Registered: Aug 13, 2006
Total Posts: 4888
Country: United States

CGrindahl wrote:
MDoc9523 wrote:
leighton w wrote:
CGrindahl wrote:
Whoa! You're killing us with these shots Ray. I do believe the humble 100-300 f/5.6 AI-s is up to the task at 24 megapixels. This is a fine lens now that we're getting more light. I'll have to pull mine out and play a bit, though I don't have these exotic butterflies to capture. Beautiful images Ray. Excellent work on every level.

MDoc9523 wrote:
Thank you Kevin and Curtis. I thought that the 100-300 5.6 held up pretty well. Certainly not quite as good as the prime lens but it's versatility in focal lengths along with the excellent quality is definitely a bonus for this lens. I was able to buy her for around $100.oo
As an edit: perhaps this lens could be the next around the world lens? Whatcha think?


I agree with you Ray, not quite up to the primes. But I do like your images.


It's funny but when I shot Canon, I had mostly zooms and that seemed to be the trend. I see that a lot with Nikon users now also. I suppose they have their convenience, but I am just enthralled by the prime lenses. My zooms just seemed to sit and I bet I haven't shot with the 100-300 for 6-8months


When you pick up primes like the 85 f/1.4 AI-s and 35 f/1.4 AI-s as you recently did, you're bound to become a fan of prime lenses. The recent portrait of a young boy you posted brought an immediate smile to my face. I knew you'd been playing with the 85 again. Although I appreciate the capability of the zoom lenses in my kit, they seldom are mounted on my camera. Primes are simply too delicious to leave at home.

I shot this yesterday with Nikki's older sister, the 85 f/1.8 H AI'd. Needless to say, I'm really enjoying the pre-AI lenses that have been added over the past year.


Shot at f/2... rather nice isolation. This has a real 3-D pop to it.

Beautiful it certainly does look 3D. I agree with you about the primes they are too good not to use!
The Redwood shots are amazing in detail and sharpness



MDoc9523
Registered: Aug 13, 2006
Total Posts: 4888
Country: United States

Georg that's some serious bokeh with the V1. I certainly would not have thought it capable of that!
Jose very nice examples of the 24mm 2.0. The color in the sky is wonderful!



georgms
Registered: Jan 08, 2009
Total Posts: 3277
Country: Germany

Jose, Mark and Ray - thanks for your kind words on the 24/2+V1-shots!

Here are a few more:

24/2Ai via FT1 on Nikon 1 V1 - aperture unrecorded (maybe stopped down to f/4, but not more)


tried to make it work in B&W, but I think I prefer the color-version


some more barbed wire, 24/2 Ai wide open



asiostygius
Registered: Nov 29, 2011
Total Posts: 2537
Country: Brazil

Georg, more excellent 24/2 images.

Thank you Ray.



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