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pburke
Registered: Oct 08, 2010
Total Posts: 2131
Country: United States

designdog wrote:
Thanks for the input! Sounds right up my alley, except for perhaps the absence of instant gratification.

I read somewhere that the 35 2.8 SC had similar "3d" qualities to the 25-50. Perhaps that would be a good place to start. Already have a 50 1.2 AI-s that is near perfect.

Is there a recommended conversion source?


I had two lenses converted by John White and can recommend his service. I think there are others who do the same thing (somebody offers this on ebay, I think).

Peter



mp356
Registered: May 31, 2009
Total Posts: 4409
Country: United States

saph wrote:
Another image from Washington, this is at the Lincoln Memorial. 50 1.2 AIS, f4 and 1/125s.







Very sharp Samy. Nice b&w conversion.


mp356
Registered: May 31, 2009
Total Posts: 4409
Country: United States

rafaelcasd wrote:

Final test shot of the day for the 'new' 55mm 1.2 SC, my garden is very natural, here is some natural flowers (weeds)

At 1:1.2, which do we like best?

Nikkor 55mm 1.2 _7SC Arrival by Rafael CA, on Flickr


Rafael, I vote for the f1.2 version.



pbraymond
Registered: Oct 23, 2009
Total Posts: 1111
Country: United States

Stitched 12 shots, D700 28mm f2.8AIS, and distortion bound to give some heartburn. Yes, I'm going to try to figure out what I might be able to do in PS.



kwoodard
Registered: Aug 04, 2012
Total Posts: 3051
Country: United States

pbraymond wrote:
Stitched 12 shots, D700 28mm f2.8AIS, and distortion bound to give some heartburn. Yes, I'm going to try to figure out what I might be able to do in PS.

Save it as a tiff and pull it back into ACR and run it as a 14mm lens and see if the distortion comes out better/straighter. Very cool shot though, I like it.



MDoc9523
Registered: Aug 13, 2006
Total Posts: 5115
Country: United States

^^^^^^^I love the distortion Ray. Dont do a thing! !!@



rafaelcasd
Registered: Jan 07, 2011
Total Posts: 1517
Country: United States

CGrindahl wrote:
Love your lens photos Rafael. You have a very discerning eye and have put together a first rate kit of lenses. I thought I was being indulgent with both a 50 f/1.2 AI-s and a 55 f/1.2 S.C. AI'd but you definitely take the prize. At the moment I'm focusing on upgrading the 105 f/2.5 P AI'd, the lens on the far left of the photo above. This is the Sonnar design with five elements in three groups. The link you offered to a later version of the P lens has five elements in four groups. That is the design carried forward in all later versions of the 105 f/2.5. The one shown above is the 105 f/2.5 P.C. AI'd.

What wonderful fun we're having! Kit building is forever, or so I've heard...


It is really an investment.

Here is the 55 1.2 SC out on the street I live on, all plants are blooming. Used some mid aperture.


nikon nikkor 55mm 1.2 sc D3 yellow bush by Rafael CA, on Flickr


nikon nikkor 55mm 1.2 sc D3 yellow bush 2 by Rafael CA, on Flickr



rafaelcasd
Registered: Jan 07, 2011
Total Posts: 1517
Country: United States

And back at the old Califia testing grounds, this is the new 55mm 1.2 SC all photos at full aperture (1:1.2) on a D3 (no need for 36 mp). I am telling you these things are SHARP at 1.2, just need even light to work well. For some optical reason much easier to focus wide open than the 50mm 1.2.


nikon nikkor 55mm 1.2 sc D3 CAlifia 2 by Rafael CA, on Flickr


nikon nikkor 55mm 1.2 sc D3 Califia 3 by Rafael CA, on Flickr


nikon nikkor 55mm 1.2 sc D3 Calififa 4 by Rafael CA, on Flickr


nikon nikkor 55mm 1.2 sc D3 CAlifia by Rafael CA, on Flickr

AND the obligatory 100% proof that these things are sharp at 1.2


nikon nikkor 55mm 1.2 sc D3 CAlifia crop by Rafael CA, on Flickr



Foggy14
Registered: May 01, 2010
Total Posts: 1115
Country: United States

Wonderful photographs Rafael!



Ronny _Olsson
Registered: Jun 24, 2012
Total Posts: 2549
Country: Sweden

Foggy14 wrote:
Wonderful photographs Rafael!


+1


Thanks
Peter : Yes it my daughter on the trampoline


Nikkor 135mm f/2 Ai-s Vivitar Nikon AT-3/AI Extension Tube 36mm by Ronny Olsson, on Flickr

Nikkor 135mm f/2 Ai-s Vivitar Nikon AT-3/AI Extension Tube 36mm by Ronny Olsson, on Flickr

Nikkor 135mm f/2 Ai-s Vivitar Nikon AT-3/AI Extension Tube 36mm by Ronny Olsson, on Flickr



asiostygius
Registered: Nov 29, 2011
Total Posts: 2678
Country: Brazil

pburke wrote:
designdog wrote:
Please illuminate me. This 55 1.2 sc is a non AI lens? So how do you get it to work on a Nikon dslr?


AI conversion. $30 plus shipping, unless you must go with the original conversion rings sold by Nikon years ago, which can be hard to find for the more common focal lengths. Example for a rare 15mm lens



Peter, another option, if you is good with handworks:
http://pindelski.org/Photography/2013/02/06/nikkor-ai-conversions-diy/

I know it will be considered blasphemy here, but it is just me.
While myself was at first eagerly looking at factory rings, right now I prefer to maintain the original aperture rings (mostly the scalloped ones). Ater no more than 10-15minutes of simple filing down work on the aperture ring at the right place (see link above) and a black paint final touch, the lesn is perfectly ai'd and with the original ring. I am not good with handwork, but the procedure is so straightforward tha I was more than capable to do the job. Additionally, I noted that the aperture claw do not need to be filled down or removed forever, but it can be reisntalled at its original place without interfering with camera's aperture tab. This is great since no butchery work is needed. Unfortunately many people have unnecessarily destroyed the good looking of their lenses doing that butchery.
Right now I have a 16/3.5 and a 400/5.6 ai factory rings with no use...



asiostygius
Registered: Nov 29, 2011
Total Posts: 2678
Country: Brazil

CGrindahl wrote:
designdog wrote:
Please illuminate me. This 55 1.2 sc is a non AI lens? So how do you get it to work on a Nikon dslr?


Quite a number of us have been avidly pursuing pre-AI lenses that were made entirely of metal. They have scalloped focusing rings. As Peter and Rafael mention, these older lenses must be converted before they may be used by modern Nikon DSLR cameras. That may be done reasonably inexpensively by having the aperture ring cut down. The more elegant solution, the one that I opted for and that Rafael has done as well, is to find lenses that already have installed, an AI conversion kit manufactured by Nikon some years ago. They are available, as Peter noted for only the less desirable Nikkor lenses.

Lenses with the conversion kit tend to be more rare and to cost more money. Then another wrinkle can be added to the adventure because Nikon changed lens design and lens coatings over time, so there are often a number of versions for each pre-AI lens. Rafael just bought an S.C. version of the 55 f/1.2. He already owns the S version. The C represents multi-coating. Those are the last pre-AI lenses made by Nikon. The AI version of each lens generally has the same optical design and the same coatings as found in the pre-AI version carrying a C in its designation.

We've been sharing the lens owned by Ben in Sydney which is an 85 f/1.8 H.C. AI'd. That makes it the last pre-AI version of this lens and it has the AI conversion kit. I've wanted to buy a copy of that lens but have been unable to find one in excellent condition with the AI conversion kit. I eventually bought an 85 f/1.8 H AI'd. I decided not to drive myself crazy looking for the H.C., though if one comes my way, with or without the AI conversion kit, I might buy it and change aperture rings between my H and the H.C.

The whole adventure is complex but great fun to navigate, especially when one can share it with so many great folks who share a passion for these lenses. Here is a photo of most of my pre-AI lenses, all but one of which has the conversion kit.





What a great scalloped collection Curtis.
I am considering to myself a more humble collection including just the 20/3.5 UD or 24/2.8 NC; 35/2 OC; 50/2 HC; 105/2.5 P (Sonnar); 105/2.5 PC (Gauss) and the 200/4 QC (got a pristine copy, what a beauty!!).

Of all these above the 20/3.5 UD is the more expensive, those near pristime and with the factory ring maintaining the scalloped aperture ring (beautiful and more functional) normally are priced above USD 280-300.00 at ebay.
Add to this the fact that Rafael monopolized the last copies of the rare HN-9 hoods of this lens
so, better to be conformed to the fact my widest scalloped wide angle will be the 24/2.8 NC.



asiostygius
Registered: Nov 29, 2011
Total Posts: 2678
Country: Brazil

mp356 wrote:
rafaelcasd wrote:

Final test shot of the day for the 'new' 55mm 1.2 SC, my garden is very natural, here is some natural flowers (weeds)

At 1:1.2, which do we like best?

Nikkor 55mm 1.2 _7SC Arrival by Rafael CA, on Flickr


Rafael, I vote for the f1.2 version.


Agreed!
For scientific purposes the first one would be better, but for aesthetic or artistic appreciation, no doubt this is far better.



asiostygius
Registered: Nov 29, 2011
Total Posts: 2678
Country: Brazil

Thanks John, Peter, Leighton, Laura, Jeff and Samy for the comments.


Curtis, awesome San Francisco sets, but I liked the most the "Irish Coffee";

Kevin, what beautifully captured blue flowers + bokeh;

Leighton, fantastic snowstorm;

Reagan, what a beautiful flower scneario with the 25-50mm;

Ronny, another killer bokeh set with the 135/2.



pbraymond
Registered: Oct 23, 2009
Total Posts: 1111
Country: United States

The university foyer is outstanding Georg.

Curtis, the posts of the Oakland Bay Bridge and the previous posts of the Golden Gate bridge leaves me jealous. As you can see by the bridge shot I posted, the aesthetics and settings pale in comparison. I'm sure your eye has a lot to do with it too.

Agentbird (sorry, can't remember your name) the TS shot at night in Singapore shows great use of the tilt feature!

Leighton, the first shot in the D600 sensor error post is my favorite in awhile.

Ddog, your home looks gorgeous (in a gorgeous setting too)! Looks like you'll get along fine with the 25-50.

Rafael, I like the "dreamy" version of the flowers at f1.2.





NightOwl Cat
Registered: Feb 19, 2007
Total Posts: 7841
Country: United States

LOVE these sculptures!

rafaelcasd wrote:
And back at the old Califia testing grounds, this is the new 55mm 1.2 SC all photos at full aperture (1:1.2) on a D3 (no need for 36 mp). I am telling you these things are SHARP at 1.2, just need even light to work well. For some optical reason much easier to focus wide open than the 50mm 1.2.


nikon nikkor 55mm 1.2 sc D3 CAlifia 2 by Rafael CA, on Flickr


nikon nikkor 55mm 1.2 sc D3 Califia 3 by Rafael CA, on Flickr


nikon nikkor 55mm 1.2 sc D3 Calififa 4 by Rafael CA, on Flickr


nikon nikkor 55mm 1.2 sc D3 CAlifia by Rafael CA, on Flickr

AND the obligatory 100% proof that these things are sharp at 1.2


nikon nikkor 55mm 1.2 sc D3 CAlifia crop by Rafael CA, on Flickr



NightOwl Cat
Registered: Feb 19, 2007
Total Posts: 7841
Country: United States

Jose, I can put my hands on one of those hoods right now. When's your birthday?

asiostygius wrote:
CGrindahl wrote:
designdog wrote:
Please illuminate me. This 55 1.2 sc is a non AI lens? So how do you get it to work on a Nikon dslr?


Quite a number of us have been avidly pursuing pre-AI lenses that were made entirely of metal. They have scalloped focusing rings. As Peter and Rafael mention, these older lenses must be converted before they may be used by modern Nikon DSLR cameras. That may be done reasonably inexpensively by having the aperture ring cut down. The more elegant solution, the one that I opted for and that Rafael has done as well, is to find lenses that already have installed, an AI conversion kit manufactured by Nikon some years ago. They are available, as Peter noted for only the less desirable Nikkor lenses.

Lenses with the conversion kit tend to be more rare and to cost more money. Then another wrinkle can be added to the adventure because Nikon changed lens design and lens coatings over time, so there are often a number of versions for each pre-AI lens. Rafael just bought an S.C. version of the 55 f/1.2. He already owns the S version. The C represents multi-coating. Those are the last pre-AI lenses made by Nikon. The AI version of each lens generally has the same optical design and the same coatings as found in the pre-AI version carrying a C in its designation.

We've been sharing the lens owned by Ben in Sydney which is an 85 f/1.8 H.C. AI'd. That makes it the last pre-AI version of this lens and it has the AI conversion kit. I've wanted to buy a copy of that lens but have been unable to find one in excellent condition with the AI conversion kit. I eventually bought an 85 f/1.8 H AI'd. I decided not to drive myself crazy looking for the H.C., though if one comes my way, with or without the AI conversion kit, I might buy it and change aperture rings between my H and the H.C.

The whole adventure is complex but great fun to navigate, especially when one can share it with so many great folks who share a passion for these lenses. Here is a photo of most of my pre-AI lenses, all but one of which has the conversion kit.





What a great scalloped collection Curtis.
I am considering to myself a more humble collection including just the 20/3.5 UD or 24/2.8 NC; 35/2 OC; 50/2 HC; 105/2.5 P (Sonnar); 105/2.5 PC (Gauss) and the 200/4 QC (got a pristine copy, what a beauty!!).

Of all these above the 20/3.5 UD is the more expensive, those near pristime and with the factory ring maintaining the scalloped aperture ring (beautiful and more functional) normally are priced above USD 280-300.00 at ebay.
Add to this the fact that Rafael monopolized the last copies of the rare HN-9 hoods of this lens
so, better to be conformed to the fact my widest scalloped wide angle will be the 24/2.8 NC.



designdog
Registered: Oct 05, 2004
Total Posts: 198
Country: United States

Sorry to keep boring you, but here are two more shots from around my home with the 25-50. The first shows the lens at 50mm 5.6. It is a crop, and I could have cropped even closer.

The second shot I have kept a little dark, as the camera exposed it. To me, and I hope this comes across, the two dogs have that dimensional look this lens is famous for.

Not great photos, sorry, but just examples of the capability of this very unique Nikon lens.



asiostygius
Registered: Nov 29, 2011
Total Posts: 2678
Country: Brazil

Laura, you offer is too kind - my birthday, approaching fast to almost a half century is next September

On the other hand, I am smelling here a devilish NMFAS enabler leading me me to buy the expensive (but sexy) UD 20/3.5
There is a Canadian copy at ebay, near pristine and factory ai'd - maintaining the beauty/excellent scalloped aperture ring, but surely bidding will surpass the USD 300,00 mark



asiostygius
Registered: Nov 29, 2011
Total Posts: 2678
Country: Brazil

ddog, I am not bored, on the contray, pleased with your images with the venerable 25-50/4.

Have you perceived the metering is better when proper focal lenght is input to the camera menu? For example, an actual 25mm shot, when the lens input is at 25mm deliver better metering than if the lens was input as a 50mm?



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