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pburke
Registered: Oct 08, 2010
Total Posts: 3008
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Ronny _Olsson wrote:
Thanks Jeff
Great shot kevin Rafael and Peter


Nikkor 135mm f/2 Ai-s by Ronny Olsson, on Flickr


like this one a lot more than the first - the blue reflection makes it look a lot less like toxic sludge compared to one with pure brown water



pburke
Registered: Oct 08, 2010
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kwoodard wrote:
With all the 135-Q shots lately, decided to bust mine out of the bag... Couple of shots with the PK13...




_DSC8433 by Kevin.Woodard, on Flickr


this one just pops - how close can you go with the PK13? I have yet to try the 135mm in macro, but I guess it would be close to the 105mm. My tubes add up to just 50mm about, so I will need to find another set to get those longer lenses up close. The screen magnification of the "Focus" image was only possible because of the +3 diopter close up lens on top of the 50mm tubes - I doubt I could have focused the 55mm with that much extension without giving it reading glasses.



kwoodard
Registered: Aug 04, 2012
Total Posts: 4683
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Ronny _Olsson wrote:
Thanks Jeff
Great shot kevin Rafael and Peter


Nikkor 135mm f/2 Ai-s by Ronny Olsson, on Flickr

Loved this on Flickr, glad you posted it here.



kwoodard
Registered: Aug 04, 2012
Total Posts: 4683
Country: United States

pburke wrote:
kwoodard wrote:
With all the 135-Q shots lately, decided to bust mine out of the bag... Couple of shots with the PK13...




_DSC8433 by Kevin.Woodard, on Flickr


this one just pops - how close can you go with the PK13? I have yet to try the 135mm in macro, but I guess it would be close to the 105mm. My tubes add up to just 50mm about, so I will need to find another set to get those longer lenses up close. The screen magnification of the "Focus" image was only possible because of the +3 diopter close up lens on top of the 50mm tubes - I doubt I could have focused the 55mm with that much extension without giving it reading glasses.


PK13 is 27.5mm. On the 135Q, working distance is about 18" or so.

Also, this shot I took using the "Sunny 16" rule. 100% manual, did not use the in camera metering at all. I really liked the detail of the center of the flower.



Ronny Olsson
Registered: Jun 24, 2012
Total Posts: 5069
Country: Sweden

Thanks
Really nice shot Kevin
Peter : Love your trainshots


Nikkor 135mm f/2 Ai-s Vivitar Nikon AT-3/AI Extension Tube 36mm by Ronny Olsson, on Flickr

Nikkor 135mm f/2 Ai-s Vivitar Nikon AT-3/AI Extension Tube 20mm by Ronny Olsson, on Flickr



kwoodard
Registered: Aug 04, 2012
Total Posts: 4683
Country: United States

Ronny _Olsson wrote:
Thanks
Really nice shot Kevin
Peter : Love your trainshots


Nikkor 135mm f/2 Ai-s Vivitar Nikon AT-3/AI Extension Tube 36mm by Ronny Olsson, on Flickr

Nikkor 135mm f/2 Ai-s Vivitar Nikon AT-3/AI Extension Tube 20mm by Ronny Olsson, on Flickr


Where is that emoticon that claps?! These are great!



Foggy14
Registered: May 01, 2010
Total Posts: 1472
Country: United States

pburke wrote:thanks for the comments - and yes, you can. In fact, after rattling through each aperture for a first test shot, I put on my K1-K5 tubes, which total about 50mm, because the nearest focus on that big boy is 6.5 meters. With the tubes, that is down to about 4 meters. So to get really close, you probably will need over 100mm in tubes. It certainly won't "magnify. I wonder if anyone makes a lens reversal ring for it

The 600mm, plus 100mm in tubes, would make for one impressive "walk around" close-up lens.



rafaelcasd
Registered: Jan 07, 2011
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Country: United States

rafaelcasd wrote:
raboof wrote:
pburke wrote:
Interesting post here about the TC-16a (the teleconverter that when hacked can give you limited AF capabilities on a lot of older Nikkors) - I am another step closer to getting a long AIS telephoto after reading that.

All I need to verify is: does it actually work on D600 with an f4.0 lens - f/6.8 effective aperture your AF system needs to work with. The specs for the D600 state f/8 is the AF limit, but is anything above f/5.6 still snappy enough to be usable?


I have one. Mine isn't hacked and it still "limited" AF with my 300mm f2.8 AIS on my D2X and D700.




The modified TC16A willl AF just fine. Congrats Peter!

I have both a modified and an untouched TC 16a, the untouched one autofocuses on my F4 but not on my D200, D3 and D800. The modified TC16a does not AF on the F4, but it autofocuses well in its limited range in the D200, D3 and D800. If focused well with my 400 3.5 and 600 5.6, but its optical quality varies a lot with different lenses, from poor to excellent.



I had posted one photo of this series before, but to entice you to try the TC16a with the 600mm, this photo was taken with the 400mm 3.5 and the TC16a, found it best at shorter distances and 5.6 on the lens. This was taken at the minimum focusing distance of the 400mm which is 4.5M, your 600 at 6.5M would give roughly the same magnification, at 4.5M with extenders it would be 50% bigger. My D800 would focus the TC16a fast and hold onto the eagle eye as the focal point of interest as though it knew where it was. (maybe it did) the focusing was very accurate, to be sure the photo is not the best off the bat, but a little axial aberration correction, sharpening and contrast adjust and it leaves little to be desired. The original photos will be better with a TC14b or newer, but AF in long focal lengths with moving targets cannot be overrated.


nikon nikkor 400mm 3.5 at 5.6 TC16A D800 Redtail Hawk 2 by Rafael CA, on Flickr


nikon nikkor 400mm 3.5 at 5.6 TC16A D800 Redtail Hawk 2 crop by Rafael CA, on Flickr



Ronny Olsson
Registered: Jun 24, 2012
Total Posts: 5069
Country: Sweden

Thanks
Wow Rafael ! Great shot


Nikkor 135mm f/2 Ai-s Vivitar Nikon AT-3/AI Extension Tube 36mm by Ronny Olsson, on Flickr

Nikkor 135mm f/2 Ai-s Vivitar Nikon AT-3/AI Extension Tube 20mm by Ronny Olsson, on Flickr



philipj
Registered: Dec 01, 2010
Total Posts: 885
Country: Switzerland

I've wondered, Ronny, given how you've been using your 135mm f/2 AI-s, if you have any interest in the Apo-Sonnar Zeiss? It seems you are already getting fantastic quasi-macro results with tubes as-is, however!

Georg, the PC lens does a fine job at the track meet! I would have never thought to apply a shift lens there, but it definitely works. A fine photo of your home town, too!

Forgive my singular subject matter, but I'm a little enamoured with her. All with the 105mm f/1.8 AI-s, either wide open or f/2, at the playground across the street from my building.


Crawling by philipjohnson, on Flickr


Reaching by philipjohnson, on Flickr


Swings by philipjohnson, on Flickr



pburke
Registered: Oct 08, 2010
Total Posts: 3008
Country: United States

rafaelcasd wrote:


I had posted one photo of this series before, but to entice you to try the TC16a with the 600mm, this photo was taken with the 400mm 3.5 and the TC16a, found it best at shorter distances and 5.6 on the lens. This was taken at the minimum focusing distance of the 400mm which is 4.5M, your 600 at 6.5M would give roughly the same magnification, at 4.5M with extenders it would be 50% bigger. My D800 would focus the TC16a fast and hold onto the eagle eye as the focal point of interest as though it knew where it was. (maybe it did) the focusing was very accurate, to be sure the photo is not the best off the bat, but a little axial aberration correction, sharpening and contrast adjust and it leaves little to be desired. The original photos will be better with a TC14b or newer, but AF in long focal lengths with moving targets cannot be overrated.


stunning detail in that hawk's eye. One thing - did you use a normal TC-16a or a modded converter? I am not really able to find a clear answer on this, but there is a significant price difference between normal and modded.

Focusing the 600mm with the viewfinder is quite easy, so I figure the TC will have little problem to do the same to track small movements, but from what I understand the mod is all about a yes or no - works or doesn't work situation.

In the long run I'll probably get a tc-14e and a 16a.

It has been over a decade since I last used a lens like this and I now understand again why I didn't touch anything like it for that long - these things are optically so much better than anything else, it takes one look through the viewfinder to understand why they cost so much. Will post some samples I took in the back yard in a bit. I completely love this lens, just not very portable - the mail man backed up his truck into my driveway so he could drop it out the back into my garage...



georgms
Registered: Jan 08, 2009
Total Posts: 4045
Country: Germany

Philip, love the "Swings"-shot! It's lovely for sure, but also hilarious. Margot's hat looks like a classic sou'wester and she looks like a captain steering her ship ;-)
I'm glad that you like the track-meet series, thanks for your comment! My hometown-shot is unfortunately lacking a boat in the foreground.



georgms
Registered: Jan 08, 2009
Total Posts: 4045
Country: Germany

Ronny, your work work is truly fabulous!

Rafael, your absolutely brilliant hawk-shot (at your posting a few weeks ago) was the reason for me to check the current offers for the 400/3.5 here.
But based on a gut-feeling I've just spent my lens-budget on another fine MF-Nikkor... I still look for a nice 25-50/4, your work with MF-Nikkors fueled up my NMFAS quite a bit ;-)
Thanks for your comment on the track-shots, I'm glad you like this set.

Peter. love the bike-set! The vintage 135/2.8 works great in your hands.

John, amazing seascapes with the 400/5.6 again. The sky is fantastic on the ferry-shot and the lonely canoeist works fantastic as "bi-chromatic" image.

Philippe, the lantern-image is outstanding in it's simplicity (in the best meaning). I like simple things: images and photographs that don't show the whole world in color and 3d at once, and your fine shot is a wonderful example.
Merci for your comment, I'm really glad you like my side trip into the world of colors ;-)
I don't feel really comfortable with colors and thankful for critical remarks (my color-crisis is still in full bloom).



philipj
Registered: Dec 01, 2010
Total Posts: 885
Country: Switzerland

georgms wrote:
Philip, love the "Swings"-shot! It's lovely for sure, but also hilarious. Margot's hat looks like a classic sou'wester and she looks like a captain steering her ship ;-)
I'm glad that you like the track-meet series, thanks for your comment! My hometown-shot is unfortunately lacking a boat in the foreground.


Hehe, she does now that you mention it. She doesn't much care for the hat herself, and is always quite proud when she pries it off her head!



georgms
Registered: Jan 08, 2009
Total Posts: 4045
Country: Germany

kwoodard wrote:
With all the 135-Q shots lately, decided to bust mine out of the bag... Couple of shots with the PK13...


_DSC8425 by Kevin.Woodard, on Flickr


Kevin, this image is one of your very best photographs so far! It's brilliant in every way: as a nature-picture it is "just a beautiful and technically perfect shot", but it's also very powerful and loaded with symbolism, which lifts this shot out of the "nature"-category.
I hope this^ doesn't sound too crude, I can't wrap it up better in words ;-)
Thanks for your kind words on the track-shot, much appreciated!



pburke
Registered: Oct 08, 2010
Total Posts: 3008
Country: United States

Boring test shot, but only boring until you zoom in. This is wide open f/4 with the 600mm AIS looking at our tree house, which is about 40-50 feet away from the lens at this angle. Red car in background is another 50 feet back.

f/4.0 1/800s ISO 200 on tripod







100% crop - note spider web and detail in screw heads. I always used to say when I shot race cars with the 600mm f4 that these lenses can see things no human can see with their bare eyes - I barely can see the screws from where the photo was taken







and here's that same crop when I tried it hand-held at 1/500s - yes, there is a difference. If the Photoshop camera shake filter can bring that back to the above clarity, I may just have to subscribe to the cloud version, but I am pretty skeptical







for the pixel peepers, here's a list of test shots using this frame as a reference at various apertures, center and two edge locations. I only adjusted exposure and white balance, no sharpening

image center

center left

top left

more lame tree house test shots (weather sucks here today), full frames at all apertures:
f/4.0
f/5.6
f/8
f/11
f/16
f/22

for rock solid support, my rather hefty Manfrotto video tripod with video fluid head is nowhere near strong enough - I had to use the self timer to shoot these to remove all camera shake



3D.Doug
Registered: Aug 11, 2010
Total Posts: 828
Country: United States

I saw some good light coming in, around my dining room hutch. I've nailed a great photo over there before, so I went back to the well, this time, with a totally urethral feel I think. D700/58mm NOCT 1.2







and 2 more.














rafaelcasd
Registered: Jan 07, 2011
Total Posts: 2487
Country: United States

pburke wrote:
rafaelcasd wrote:


I had posted one photo of this series before, but to entice you to try the TC16a with the 600mm, this photo was taken with the 400mm 3.5 and the TC16a, found it best at shorter distances and 5.6 on the lens. This was taken at the minimum focusing distance of the 400mm which is 4.5M, your 600 at 6.5M would give roughly the same magnification, at 4.5M with extenders it would be 50% bigger. My D800 would focus the TC16a fast and hold onto the eagle eye as the focal point of interest as though it knew where it was. (maybe it did) the focusing was very accurate, to be sure the photo is not the best off the bat, but a little axial aberration correction, sharpening and contrast adjust and it leaves little to be desired. The original photos will be better with a TC14b or newer, but AF in long focal lengths with moving targets cannot be overrated.


stunning detail in that hawk's eye. One thing - did you use a normal TC-16a or a modded converter? I am not really able to find a clear answer on this, but there is a significant price difference between normal and modded.

Focusing the 600mm with the viewfinder is quite easy, so I figure the TC will have little problem to do the same to track small movements, but from what I understand the mod is all about a yes or no - works or doesn't work situation.

In the long run I'll probably get a tc-14e and a 16a.

It has been over a decade since I last used a lens like this and I now understand again why I didn't touch anything like it for that long - these things are optically so much better than anything else, it takes one look through the viewfinder to understand why they cost so much. Will post some samples I took in the back yard in a bit. I completely love this lens, just not very portable - the mail man backed up his truck into my driveway so he could drop it out the back into my garage...



I will give you a clear answer as I own both and have had the original unmodified for 20+ years!

The original TC16a will AF with an F4s, and several other film AF cameras, it may AF with some D2/s/x, it does not AF with a D200, D3, D800.

Moving the position of an electrical contact on the connector to the camera body, modifies the tc16a so that it will AF with the D200, D3, D800. (As well as D300, D700, D3s, D3x, D4, D800E, D7000 etc) It is a simple modification in principle, but tricky to do. I tried with my original TC16a and gave up. Bought the modified TC16a on e-bay in 2011 from this seller at about this price but in perfect condition. It has worked flawlessly. It autofocuses quite well once you get used to it.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Modifed-Nikon-TC-16A-for-D200-D300-D700-D800-D3-MF-to-semi-AF-Excellent-Plus-/290920658564?pt=Camera_Lenses&hash=item43bc38f684

A quotation from the posting

"This listing is for a modified TC-16A to be used on D200, D300, D700,D800, D7000 , D3 and D4 with Nikon Manual Focus AI, AIS and P lens as well as AF-D lens. Serial # 271640.

The item was professionally modified in Japan using most advanced technology. More than 100 sold so far.

The TC-16A was made to provide limited AF capacity for MF and AF-D lenses with 1.6 factor. In order to use it on D200, D300, D700, D800,D7000 , D3 and D4, it was modified professionally. The following gives the details how the modification was done:
http://www.foolography.com/free-stuff/modify-tc-16a/

The following video explains how the modified TC-16A works but my item may be different from what the video shows. They may be modified by different methods.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=-tPKSm9yxNs

Please make sure you understand the limitation of the modification before bidding. The combination is great to shoot still, Marco and slower moving objectives such as swimming birds or running kids. The standard practice with the TC-16A is to focus the lens manually to approximately within the range of sharp focus, then press the shutter button and have the TC-16A provide sharp focus."


PS: Curtis and Leighton allow the tc16a in this forum!



pburke
Registered: Oct 08, 2010
Total Posts: 3008
Country: United States

rafaelcasd wrote:
The original TC16a will AF with an F4s, and several other film AF cameras, it may AF with some D2/s/x, it does not AF with a D200, D3, D800.


thank you Rafael, just what I wanted to know. I am sure I could do the mod myself, as I have done quite a bit of DIY electronics builds, but I'll only worry about that if I can find it at a price worth the effort.




rafaelcasd
Registered: Jan 07, 2011
Total Posts: 2487
Country: United States

georgms wrote:
Ronny, your work work is truly fabulous!

Rafael, your absolutely brilliant hawk-shot (at your posting a few weeks ago) was the reason for me to check the current offers for the 400/3.5 here.
But based on a gut-feeling I've just spent my lens-budget on another fine MF-Nikkor... I still look for a nice 25-50/4, your work with MF-Nikkors fueled up my NMFAS quite a bit ;-)
Thanks for your comment on the track-shots, I'm glad you like this set.

Peter. love the bike-set! The vintage 135/2.8 works great in your hands.

John, amazing seascapes with the 400/5.6 again. The sky is fantastic on the ferry-shot and the lonely canoeist works fantastic as "bi-chromatic" image.

Philippe, the lantern-image is outstanding in it's simplicity (in the best meaning). I like simple things: images and photographs that don't show the whole world in color and 3d at once, and your fine shot is a wonderful example.
Merci for your comment, I'm really glad you like my side trip into the world of colors ;-)
I don't feel really comfortable with colors and thankful for critical remarks (my color-crisis is still in full bloom).


Thanks Georg, that photo was of the right eye, this one is the left.

Finding a 400mm 3.5 is easy, finding a good clean one with little use is hard and our posting will drive the price up by $300.



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