ZE/ZF/ZM Images (Official Thread!)
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kwoodard
Registered: Aug 04, 2012
Total Posts: 4612
Country: United States

I am astonished at how clear and crisp so many of the images in this thread are. I probably shouldn't be as my Zeiss binoculars are razor sharp, but still...



Mescalamba
Registered: Jul 06, 2011
Total Posts: 3731
Country: Czech Republic

kwoodard wrote:
I am astonished at how clear and crisp so many of the images in this thread are. I probably shouldn't be as my Zeiss binoculars are razor sharp, but still...


I wont deny that Zeiss lens are sharp, but in certain cases its more about user and his shooting and especially post-processing skill.. Certain threads on FM makes me cry a little, when I see high-end gear literally wasted. Alt corner is sometimes exact opposite, how much ppl can do with so little.. Probably why I like it here.

But yes, Zeiss lens can be razor sharp like nothing else and if they are not, they are at least percieved as sharp.



Rodluvan
Registered: Sep 01, 2010
Total Posts: 713
Country: Sweden

I for one have done less and less editing over the years, in the beginning I got carried away with the possibilities losing sight of content and composition. Don't get me wrong, I shot raw so o/c I do edit, not just like before.
I hate sounding like a dull fanboy, but usually Zeiss characteristics do carry their own, they don't need much pushing or tweaking, they are strong and sublime (!) at the same time.

In another forum someone said he preferred the nikkor 1.2/50 Ai(s) to the 50P because it was sharper at 1.4...........
Of all the characteristics of a lens, the possibilities they hold, the beauty they paint and people are still blinded by sharpness (and at one aperture, at that). *sigh*



kwoodard
Registered: Aug 04, 2012
Total Posts: 4612
Country: United States

Mescalamba wrote:
kwoodard wrote:
I am astonished at how clear and crisp so many of the images in this thread are. I probably shouldn't be as my Zeiss binoculars are razor sharp, but still...


I wont deny that Zeiss lens are sharp, but in certain cases its more about user and his shooting and especially post-processing skill.. Certain threads on FM makes me cry a little, when I see high-end gear literally wasted. Alt corner is sometimes exact opposite, how much ppl can do with so little.. Probably why I like it here.

But yes, Zeiss lens can be razor sharp like nothing else and if they are not, they are at least percieved as sharp.


What always makes me sad to think about is in 1992, I was offered a Nikon film camera and a suite of Zeiss glass as a graduation gift. I had the option of the kit or cash (whatever could be received for the sale of the kit). I took the cash as I hadn't done any photography in a bunch of years. If memory serves, all the glass was the fastest available for each respective focal length. 28, 35, 50, 85 and 100. I received $2000 to go towards a car, I think even then, the seller was robbed.

Some day I think I will get one to go with my MF kit of old Nikon/Nikkor lenses.



wfrank
Registered: Feb 09, 2011
Total Posts: 3196
Country: Sweden

Samuli, The CY 28/2 also called "Hollywood" is my current dream lens. If I had the ZE I imagine I use it all the time.

Fantastic boat Ronny
Fantastic car Johnny B (#1)

Distagon 35/1.4. It looks better when I move slightly away from the screen. How odd.



dubaiphil
Registered: Jun 10, 2009
Total Posts: 972
Country: United Arab Emirates

Piazza Del Notturno, Bologna - D700 + 2/35



dubaiphil
Registered: Jun 10, 2009
Total Posts: 972
Country: United Arab Emirates

Piazza De La Mercanzia, Bologna

A 9 shot square pano in another piazza - D700 + 2/35



Samuli Vahonen
Registered: Jul 16, 2003
Total Posts: 1892
Country: Finland

Mescalamba wrote:
Certain threads on FM makes me cry a little, when I see high-end gear literally wasted. Alt corner is sometimes exact opposite, how much ppl can do with so little..


I want to try the average-Joe crappy processing!!!! How it's done? JPGs directly out from Lightroom and upload to crappy photo sharing site? Please advice if someone has clue how they make their images look so bad. (honest request not troll)

[I'm not sure how much is needed, just loaded yesterday first image to facebook and it looks pretty crappy compared to JPG-file on my hard drive, even colors went worse.]


wfrank wrote:
Samuli, The CY 28/2 also called "Hollywood" is my current dream lens. If I had the ZE I imagine I use it all the time.


Hmmm, I doubt C/Y version has anything to do with the ZE/ZF version. PDFs:
Contax Distagon T* 2/2.8 C/Y8 - 9 lens elements, 8 groups
Carl Zeiss Distagon T* 2/28 Z* - 10 lens elements, 8 groups

MTFs curves are little similar but new one has much more contrast. Also there are some major differences on the lens elements shapes if you compare them.


wfrank wroteistagon 35/1.4. It looks better when I move slightly away from the screen. How odd.


Hmmm, too late to anymore start macpro, but it works same way on my laptop screen - weird.

Samuli



Johnny B Goode
Registered: Jan 15, 2012
Total Posts: 447
Country: United States

Not a bad suggestion Samuli Vahonen. Thanks for the compliments. Maybe the story was a bit TMI but my emotions were running high.



Jochenb
Registered: May 25, 2010
Total Posts: 2069
Country: Belgium

carstenw wrote:
Very nice shot, Jochen. What was it that you prefer about the Zeiss than the Fuji 14? Did you do some comparison photos?


Thanks Carsten.
I did shoot some quick comparison photos and they confirmed what I was already seeing/feeling. They're actually quite close. The fuji is really good, especially the very low distortion. However, the lens/x-trans sensor doesn't give me the same microcontrast. The Zeiss' microcontrast looks more natural and reacts better to resizing IMHO.



dthrog00
Registered: Jan 30, 2012
Total Posts: 476
Country: United States

Lots of great shots, but Jochen's pink sky image and wfrank's abandoned bike stand out. The bar is set quite high in this thread!

Dave



Mescalamba
Registered: Jul 06, 2011
Total Posts: 3731
Country: Czech Republic

Samuli Vahonen wrote:
Mescalamba wrote:
Certain threads on FM makes me cry a little, when I see high-end gear literally wasted. Alt corner is sometimes exact opposite, how much ppl can do with so little..


I want to try the average-Joe crappy processing!!!! How it's done? JPGs directly out from Lightroom and upload to crappy photo sharing site? Please advice if someone has clue how they make their images look so bad. (honest request not troll)

[I'm not sure how much is needed, just loaded yesterday first image to facebook and it looks pretty crappy compared to JPG-file on my hard drive, even colors went worse.]

Samuli


Facebook is sure way to kill any good quality photo. When I post there, its just link to Tumblr or Flickr. Well and I have profile pic, yea thats about it.


How to make bad processing.. hm, lets see.

JPEGs out of camera, thats sure. Best choice would be something older from Sony. If WB is wrong, let it be. Then try to use worst downsizing algorithm you can find. Yea it needs to be sharper, so sharpen that output with large radius high sharpening. Then maybe compress photo a bit more.

Should be enough and if not, kill it with 256 color mode!

Colorblinds and shaky hands get advantage.. thats sure. And never forget to NEVER correct horizont, or CA, or distortion.. or anything. Its perfect out of camera, isnt it?

Well and there is always Instagram..

kwoodard wrote:

What always makes me sad to think about is in 1992, I was offered a Nikon film camera and a suite of Zeiss glass as a graduation gift. I had the option of the kit or cash (whatever could be received for the sale of the kit). I took the cash as I hadn't done any photography in a bunch of years. If memory serves, all the glass was the fastest available for each respective focal length. 28, 35, 50, 85 and 100. I received $2000 to go towards a car, I think even then, the seller was robbed.

Some day I think I will get one to go with my MF kit of old Nikon/Nikkor lenses.


That would make me cry a bit.



Mescalamba
Registered: Jul 06, 2011
Total Posts: 3731
Country: Czech Republic

wfrank wrote:
Samuli, The CY 28/2 also called "Hollywood" is my current dream lens. If I had the ZE I imagine I use it all the time.

Fantastic boat Ronny
Fantastic car Johnny B (#1)

Distagon 35/1.4. It looks better when I move slightly away from the screen. How odd.


Small screen maybe? Nice pic..

C/Y 28/2 mm.. funny, only lens that made me think about Canon camera (cause its only FF that can take AE variant). One of my dream lens too..



darbo
Registered: Mar 10, 2012
Total Posts: 1131
Country: United States

The rendering on Samuli's 2/28 photos really stands out to me. The 2/28 was my first Zeiss lens purchase and I love(d) the rendering of it, but returned it to the retailer and got the 1.4/35 instead because the CA of the 2/28 really put me off. Lately, though, I've been thinking it would be good to re-visit the 2/28 - to re-purchase it - now that I've added other essential Zeiss lenses to my bag (2.8/21, 1.4/35, 2/100).

During my brief time owning a Nikon (D800) I also owned the 2/25 ZF.2. It's technically superb (very sharp and very well-corrected) and I am somewhat tempted to get the Canon version, but the rendering quality of the 2/28 very much appeals to me. It's nice to see that others have similar positive thoughts about the not-so-popular 2/28.



Sehfehler
Registered: May 13, 2011
Total Posts: 8
Country: Sweden

Zeiss 21mm 2.8












Ronny Olsson
Registered: Jun 24, 2012
Total Posts: 4926
Country: Sweden

Sehfehler: I like the last one most
Welcome!

Ronny //



akul
Registered: May 30, 2010
Total Posts: 2598
Country: United States

Sehfehler - It looks like a Liebsikind or Eisenman ish buidling. Who did that thing? I am saying with not too much enthusiasm. The thin-looking metal plates with wavy finish look hoorible ( as building) . Not your photo though. Just like for some portraits, zeiss can reveal blemish Very nice composition.I like the photo, not the quality of the new building.



RiverGuy
Registered: Jan 04, 2009
Total Posts: 111
Country: United States

Here's a quick effort late today before dusk at the U. of Tenn botanical garden. The image with several tulips was done too quickly and I missed a layer in the stacking. Oh, well.

I already knew from Lloyd Chambers' review that I would like the ZF 135. First impressions in the field bear that out. The two lenses I use that best compare are the Hartblei 80 superrotator, which still has what I think is the most impressive bokeh from any DSLR lens, and the Coastal Optics 60 APO. This is saying a lot for the ZF 135 as it costs only 2/3 what a Hartblei 80 costs, and half what a Coastal Optics 60 APO costs. In a few weeks I'll have a better feel for the comparisons.

The ZF 135 is a much more practical lens for day to day photography, for me, anyway. I use the Coastal 60 almost exclusively for my artifact photography. The Hartblei is a fabulous lens, but really hard to use as it's totally dead to the camera.

I've had neurosurgery and a replaced knee, so I'm about a tenth as steady with the camera as I was five years ago. All these images were done with tripod, MUP setting, cable release.

The focus ring on this lens is really thick in motion compared to the ZF 100/2, which I've used extensively in my artifact work, too. It's beautifully precise, but so thick in response that I find myself jerking the camera around when I try to handhold and focus. I'm sure I'll get better at it, but I won't be doing any portrait sessions where I can't afford to loose crucial images. At least not soon.... I'm not a big fan of manual lens portrait work anyway, but I do want some sessions with good subjects in front of this lens. Very slow, very cooperative subjects.

--Dan



RiverGuy
Registered: Jan 04, 2009
Total Posts: 111
Country: United States

Well, so much for 640 pixels on the long side. I can't see the quality in the ZF 135 images I just posted. Someone advise me as to what size I should use.



hijazist
Registered: Sep 14, 2012
Total Posts: 3019
Country: United States

Diploneis wrote:
Jako & Bob - superb shots!





































Cheers,
Martynas

For more images: www.facebook.com/pages/Martynas-Milkevi%C4%8Dius-Photo/315309251853942

Martynas, your images inspired me to re-buy some of the Zeiss lenses I sold. I still need to get my hand on the 21 2.8 again... Great work there Was the last one Petra?


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